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 Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? 
#6120473 - 10/01/06 04:47 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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for example, if you take two identical sized lophoras but keep one in a pot and graft the other to some other form of cactai, and grew them both for a year under the same conditions, would the bigger one necesarily have higher alkaloid content?
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: darkstar45]
#6120489 - 10/01/06 04:54 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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no -i belive the grafted one would have lesser % of alkaloids. Im not 100% sure however
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: elsig]
#6123519 - 10/02/06 07:52 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I would agree with Elsig. The grafted lopho wouldn't have time to create a great many alkaloids, certainly not as much as a traditionally grown one of the same size.
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: StroFun]
#6123959 - 10/02/06 12:57 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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stress and time.
the more stress, the more mescalane, but it takes time.
too much stress and the cactus goes dormant or dies. no mescalaine.
not enough stress and the cactus grows in size withought needing to spend energy on alkaloids.
realistically, a well cared for cactus indoors is going to be weak, grafted or otherwise.
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? *DELETED* [Re: Mitchnast]
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: StroFun]
#6124348 - 10/02/06 02:52 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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actually, i would think insect infestation would be the biggest stimulator of defensive alkaloids....
dosing dog not funny.
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? *DELETED* [Re: Mitchnast]
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: StroFun]
#6125190 - 10/02/06 06:53 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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umm, its a logical theory, and not the preferabe meathod of boosting potency.
an infestation is hard to end. and would most likely end up with a cactus in dormancy or death
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: Mitchnast]
#6125500 - 10/02/06 08:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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my friend boosts potency in pedro and torch by stabbing at the base and letting it heal. it produces the alkaloids when healing. also lack of water will boost it too. to get proper potency in a grafted loph it is said thAT after you get the size you want to cut the graft off , root and grow for a year + .
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: royer]
#6127421 - 10/03/06 07:23 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you have access to any dopamine you can inject this into lophophoras & this apparently increases mescaline production as the dopamine is converted to mescaline.
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: StroFun]
#6128613 - 10/03/06 03:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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you guys are sick, cruel parents 
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: Mitchnast]
#6128686 - 10/03/06 04:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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how about screwing arounf with light periods?
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: Vertigo6911]
#6128757 - 10/03/06 04:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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nah, thats ok 
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: darkstar45]
#6128796 - 10/03/06 05:00 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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but would it stimulate mesc production?
also, maybe low night time temperatures may help?
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: Vertigo6911]
#6128889 - 10/03/06 05:26 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont know, it might, but then you have to take into account that by fooling it into thinking its winter, to be more effective you must also simulate the lack of water and temperature differences. i suppose you would want to stress it JUST shy or dormancy...
or perhaps it is that it produces the mescalaine in dormancy only hmmmm.
no expert here, just firing theories out my bum
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: darkstar45]
#6155341 - 10/10/06 08:07 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
darkstar45 said:
for example, if you take two identical sized lophoras but keep one in a pot and graft the other to some other form of cactai, and grew them both for a year under the same conditions, would the bigger one necesarily have higher alkaloid content?
I believe that this might help.
Peyote will make mescaline, to a certain extent, based solely on it genetic make up. It is preprogrammed to do so, therefore it will make a certain amount of mescaline.
Two peyote of the same age, one grown on it's own roots and the other grown as a graft, would, I believe, have differing amounts of mescaline, simply because one is larger. They are both producing mescaline, but the grafted one will have made more, faster, just because its rate of growth has increased.
The grafted peyote will not be as potent as one its own size, grown on it own roots, but think about how much more you can produce in less time by grafting. It will easily become clear that by grafting , you can produce larger amounts of mescaline than by growing peyote on its own roots.
If you are looking to grow peyote for its physical beauty with the possibility of one day consuming it, then I'd say graft until it's mature and then root it. If you're looking for a higher mescaline producer than San Pedro, graft peyote, multiply them and enjoy the buttons.
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: Ekstaza]
#6156985 - 10/11/06 04:15 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks for the insight
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Re: Is mescaline content in lophs a funtion of age or size? [Re: darkstar45]
#6157545 - 10/11/06 12:09 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grafted peyote are just large sacks of water. I graft mine onto myrtillo cactus because they're alot less slimy than pedro and easier to graft. I do this because once they're large enough ( taken off of parent plant and rooted in the ground ) they start sprouting babies alot sooner. This can start within 2-4 years with grafted, "quick grown" peyotes whereas it would normally take 10-15 years for a peyote button to start growing babies. Grafting also gets them to flower quicker which is cool.
The best way to stress a Pedro or torch is harvesting it a few weeks before you want to use it and freeze it. Then let it thaw for a day or two. Then freeze it again. I usually do this 3 times. I typically boil mine into snot-tea and don't bother removing the skin, core or spines but if you want to go through the trouble; freezing and then thawing allows the skin to peel right off.
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