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 Re: I've come to a realization  [Re: Silversoul]
#6030453 - 09/05/06 07:09 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
So, tonight I was thinking: What if I'm wrong and the skeptics are right? What if God is just a figment of my imagination, and consciousness doesn't exist outside of the brain? Well, if that's true, then my mind is a powerful thing indeed. So powerful that it could conjure up an experience of the divine. So powerful that it might as well be God. I've always thought of God as something to be found within, and that holds true whether my mind is a manifestation of God or vice versa. If my mind created God, then that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It just means that God doesn't exist objectively. But since subjectivity is all I'll ever know, then God can continue to be very real for me. Whether God's existence is subjective or objective, it still benefits me the same to seek communion with the divine. At the very least, it means that I'm communing with a very powerful and meaningful part of my mind. Thus, believing in God becomes believing in myself, and I'm definitely fine with that. Mysticism can work just as well and make just as much sense for a subjective God as for an objective one.
Good job man.  
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6031320 - 09/05/06 03:14 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Or a serious head injury... 
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6032112 - 09/05/06 06:18 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
So, tonight I was thinking: What if I'm wrong and the skeptics are right? What if God is just a figment of my imagination, and consciousness doesn't exist outside of the brain? Well, if that's true, then my mind is a powerful thing indeed. So powerful that it could conjure up an experience of the divine. So powerful that it might as well be God. I've always thought of God as something to be found within, and that holds true whether my mind is a manifestation of God or vice versa. If my mind created God, then that doesn't mean God doesn't exist. It just means that God doesn't exist objectively. But since subjectivity is all I'll ever know, then God can continue to be very real for me. Whether God's existence is subjective or objective, it still benefits me the same to seek communion with the divine. At the very least, it means that I'm communing with a very powerful and meaningful part of my mind. Thus, believing in God becomes believing in myself, and I'm definitely fine with that. Mysticism can work just as well and make just as much sense for a subjective God as for an objective one.
That, is the single best thing I've ever read on the subject of god/the spirit.
My hat is off to you.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6033055 - 09/05/06 10:30 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I mean, it is all subjective... But to me to know one's self is to know god. Everyone is God and whether they want to accept themselves/god then they will find God.
At least that's what it means to me.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Cracka_X]
#6034630 - 09/06/06 12:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why only one god? Why not many gods? And why a "loving" creator? why not an indifferent observer or worse? Too many people have been so brainwashed by the judeo-christian concept of God, that they can't even imagine anything else. It's just kinda sad.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: rsimoa]
#6034640 - 09/06/06 12:16 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Considering that we rally don't know anything about that since we have no proves, what good it would maybe if we were imagining a bad God? There's nothing we can do about it anyways... so we could do the best of our time in every possible way, and incredible as it may sound, some would be very annoyed, hysterical, sad... etc if they would imagine a bad God.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: rsimoa]
#6034720 - 09/06/06 12:58 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why only one god? Why not many gods?
Well, here's my take on it: We all live as manifestations of a single, transcendent reality, which could be called "God," with a capital G. Now, if you look into the Jewish religion, and specifically into the Kabbalah, you find that they have many names for God, which describe different aspects. Now, I think that the various polytheistic religions have experienced these various aspects of God, and personified them into a pantheon of different gods, in the same way that we are all different manifestations of God. Also, remember that the Abrahamic faiths also have a pantheon of angels, which are basically like the pantheon of gods in polytheistic traditions. In the Kabbalah, as with some Hindu denominations, the panentheistic view is coupled with the polytheistic view, such that there is one "God" which is both immanent and transcendant, as well as many "gods" or angels, who are all manifestations of the one true God.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6034985 - 09/06/06 02:45 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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"manifestations of a single transcendent realty"... and that's "god" So you're saying that reality is god and that we are just manifestions of this reality? Dude, that makes no sense. Unless you're trying to say that human beings collectively make up god (which is not a new idea btw), I don't get what that statement means exactly.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: rsimoa]
#6035248 - 09/06/06 04:21 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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To believe is to doubt. To doubt is to believe. We can not have one without the other. It is a great thing to realize that even though God may only exist in our minds that it will still greatly impact the way we live. However to me the whole concept of having a God is not only to improve the way we live but also what happens to us after we pass. So as real and as greatly positive impact a religious belief can have on us we must inevitably realize that we still have no clue as to what happens when we die. And still the question of whether the skeptics are correct or not should remain a valid one for now.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: rsimoa]
#6035258 - 09/06/06 04:25 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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rsimoa said:
"manifestations of a single transcendent realty"... and that's "god" So you're saying that reality is god and that we are just manifestions of this reality? Dude, that makes no sense. Unless you're trying to say that human beings collectively make up god (which is not a new idea btw), I don't get what that statement means exactly.
It makes perfect sense to anyone who's experienced this transcendent reality. And it's an idea that is present in many major world religions, from Buddhism and Hinduism to certain esoteric branches of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Perhaps it's you that's stuck on exoteric western ideas of god. Yeshua(Jesus) said "The kingdom of God is within you." This is the essence of mysticism: that God is to be found within. In Hinduism, it is likened to the sun's reflection on the sea. It is scattered into hundreds of parts, but it is all the same sun. Similarly, all of creation is scattered, and looks different, but we are all reflecting the same divine essence.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: grasshoppa]
#6035267 - 09/06/06 04:29 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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grasshoppa said:
To believe is to doubt. To doubt is to believe. We can not have one without the other. It is a great thing to realize that even though God may only exist in our minds that it will still greatly impact the way we live. However to me the whole concept of having a God is not only to improve the way we live but also what happens to us after we pass. So as real and as greatly positive impact a religious belief can have on us we must inevitably realize that we still have no clue as to what happens when we die. And still the question of whether the skeptics are correct or not should remain a valid one for now.
This is true, but I've realized that even if death is the end of experience, I'm fine with that. I've noticed that when I'm really tired, I feel like slipping into nothingness, and perhaps death will be much the same: a comforting nothingness. What I find interesting is how people think that God and an afterlife go hand-in-hand, but the two are completely separate ideas. Either can exist without the other.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6037840 - 09/07/06 10:50 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Indeed
IMO it's the personality structure that slips into nothing. The creative energy that produced all that never changes. That's Tao. 
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Icelander]
#6038644 - 09/07/06 04:32 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Indeed. I think one of the goals of meditation is to dissociate oneself from one's personality, and simply experience pure being.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6039534 - 09/07/06 09:22 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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True, and psychedelics, and shamanism, and many other ways.
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Edited by Icelander (09/08/06 10:40 AM)
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6039585 - 09/07/06 09:33 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe not quite your personality, but what you think it is or should be. To have less invested in it.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: thatiAM]
#6039739 - 09/07/06 10:17 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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nothing doesn't sound appealing to me.
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6041726 - 09/08/06 05:51 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have found that I disagree with some things you say, but your realization strikes a cord with me. I can identify with realizing that human consciousness is a god-like experience. We are the masters of our own fate. They say God is the master of our fate but when we act as Gods ourselves, we define our fate and it manifests itself relative to our (in)actions.
You say that you seek union with the divine whether or not God is objective or subjective? I have a hard time doing this in an existence where God is not objective. However, I truly understand how important my mind is and I do try to excercise my mental muscle to keep the machine running at the highest efficiency possible.
Treat your brain with reverence and always seek to improve it and you will empower the God within
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Silversoul]
#6043498 - 09/09/06 08:52 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Realise this - who created the creator?
All we have is the now - everything else is a thought in your mind.
Thus the word God is essentially useless, except for people that require blind faith because they cannot handle the unknown.
God put simply is a made up answer to the darkest questions of man; How and why we are here.
Some people can't handle not knowing, so they formulate a belief. Look at any seperate country and we humans have all done it. We made up our own answers to the greatests questions.
Feel secure?
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Re: I've come to a realization [Re: Ego Death]
#6043562 - 09/09/06 09:50 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Realise this - who created the creator?
I'll answer this question with the same philosphy in mind,
If there is no endlessness to creation and no bounds then what makes something determine to end its own existence. Is creation also a decreation in the same breath? meaning as things evolve that evolution can be desolution, for if their is no end to creation and no limit then why at this point that we have become the fullness of this creation?
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