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 Re: God's Disciples: WTF?  [Re: wrestler_az]
#6003332 - 08/28/06 12:19 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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time for some will ferrell and welshly arms hotel lol
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I heard about God before... sounds like a cool dude.. dunno about the hell and stuff though.. its like
a guy seems cool hey hes giving me all this free stuf... like life and and responsiveness.. and then hes telling me through other people not to do certain things... man but i like those things, and ill go ot hell if i do those things..
sometimes i feel polluted after meaningless sex.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Diploid]
#6003616 - 08/28/06 01:49 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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God is a douchebag by anyone's standards. Folks just afraid to admit it.
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everyone is biased to their own argument, everyone wants acknowledgment that their version of reality and the super natural is the best version, I'd say quit trying to convince each other because its not going to happen, I'm sure everyone is pretty set in their ways,
I know its kind of hard to respect peoples beliefs when it seems irrational or short sighted but maybe even within their short sightedness they serve as a function to keep a certain balance within the integrity of life. Obviously whatever life is, their is an unknown factor, in which everybody should acknowledge, anyone who says life isn't a mystery and has all the answers, has it sumed up in nutshell is a complete idiot.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6003907 - 08/28/06 08:46 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
He does. You just have to learn how to listen.
The most effective communicator is one whose message is specifically tailored for the intended audience to be able to receive it. Anyone who wishes to be understood by the person receiving the communication will ensure that they express themselves in the appropriate manner.
Perhaps "god" just needs to learn how to talk. 
   
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6003947 - 08/28/06 09:24 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
Let me tell you a secret: God's "message" isn't so much a message as it is a simple awareness.
Awareness is awareness. Whatever sense of identity you attach to awareness is simply a reflection of your own identity. "god" is a useless concept.
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i've explained to you why god isn't a useless concept several times already. just because you don't understand something, doesn't mean it is useless to other people.
Edited by Deviate (08/28/06 11:38 AM)
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Diploid]
#6004259 - 08/28/06 12:39 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Holy explosion of messages here. I didn't read them all, but I will redo, after I give you a very simple solution for your problem, dip:
As I have conceptualized it, g*d wants us to decide for ourself, meaning, he/she/it wants us, to develop our free will.
THIS is hardly possible in honesty, if g*d would show up to them, who have to be proved.
He would love to see us return to him by our own personal free will and perception of 'reality' not 'directly' commanded to us by him as some 'personal' influence. So he shows us 'only' his creation (and our own power related to this) and lets us figure out how and why that works. Then, if someone gets near to the perception of him by regarding of reality, he will start to communicate. He even starts to communicate, if someone is in danger to fall apart too far of him, but then, this person almost never listens anymore.
I think, that solves your misery 
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Quote:
fireworks_god said:
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Silversoul said:
Let me tell you a secret: God's "message" isn't so much a message as it is a simple awareness.
Awareness is awareness. Whatever sense of identity you attach to awareness is simply a reflection of your own identity. "god" is a useless concept.
Peace.
While I wouldn't quite say the concept of "God" is useless, I'll admit that this presence/being/awareness can go by many names, and that it can sometimes be distracting or counterproductive for some people to think of it as God. That's ok though. It doesn't need a name.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6004474 - 08/28/06 02:20 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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God is God is Allah is Anne Heche is a pack of cigarettes is everything you've ever thought about the face staring back at you in the mirror
...or maybe not.
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Edit: Hah! I wrote this post about a minute after the peak of an intense salvia trip. It had me in stitches at the time, but looking back it may not be the most relevant of insights. 
Edited by DuppyConqueror (08/28/06 03:57 PM)
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So is that why we sufffer? Is that why there is disease and illnesses?
Because God doesn't choose to talk to everyone, some go by with no knowledge of God whatsoever. So some hear his voice, and others are just too stupid to listen? I don't think so! If you surely think you are communicating with god, I with no doubt have to say you have a mental illness, for you are only communicating with yourself. Just cause you think you can communicate with god, doesn't mean it's real.
I think I can
I think I can
God is a delusion of the mind.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Droz]
#6004666 - 08/28/06 03:29 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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"God is a delusion of the mind."
The mind is part of g*d, a receiver and transmitter, but we often can not and are not allowed to grasp it.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#6004688 - 08/28/06 03:41 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I guess stuff appeared out of thin air is an adequate scientific explanation.
I think there is a conscious designer behind the design, but I wouldn't say this consciousness is some being of any type. Its more like conscious cosmic energy that formed creation through mathmatical means. But hey I think existence has the capacity to be anything IMO.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: capliberty]
#6004714 - 08/28/06 03:52 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yip, it doesn't matter. 'Out of thin air' is not adequate, but we lack the means to scientifically measure or describe the cause yet. We only can 'feel' it (meaning: perceive with some 'irrational means').
"But hey I think existence has the capacity to be anything IMO. "
Especially this existence called conscious life, imho 
(I get [edit:/become] dull, I get [edit:/become] quiet )
Edited by BlueCoyote (08/28/06 04:18 PM)
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#6004745 - 08/28/06 04:05 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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The word "God" and the linguistic concepts attached to that word are meaningless. God will not be discovered or proven not to exist in a verbal debate about "God". "God" exists because it is a word we all recognize.
"God" is not what matters. Love matters; laughter matters. If you can't find beauty in the world around you, if you look at yourself and see only flaws, if you can't weep for the sorrows of another person or cry tears of joy, then you ain't livin'!
Smile on your sisters and brothers.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#6004751 - 08/28/06 04:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nothing dull dude, I just laid down an argument for those imperialists, their explanation for things coming into existence out of cause and condition is weak IN MY OPinon. As adamant as those that deny the existent of god, their argument is just as weak in denying such a phenomena. What makes them so dam sure that there is no god? Their always quick to clown the argument by suggesting that god is some being in the sky or something to that nature. I don't think any religion really supports this picture. But so what, their could be supernatural beings transending space and time.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: capliberty]
#6004831 - 08/28/06 04:35 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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-God is a subjective idea. Maybe.
-None of us really know. Maybe.
-Believe in anything you want as long as you want to be happy and this makes you happy. Probably.
These are the facts.(Hey, facts and subjectivity don't go together!...well I guess they kinda do..!).
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: capliberty]
#6004933 - 08/28/06 05:08 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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capliberty said:
Nothing dull dude, I just laid down an argument for those imperialists, their explanation for things coming into existence out of cause and condition is weak IN MY OPinon. As adamant as those that deny the existent of god, their argument is just as weak in denying such a phenomena. What makes them so dam sure that there is no god? Their always quick to clown the argument by suggesting that god is some being in the sky or something to that nature. I don't think any religion really supports this picture. But so what, their could be supernatural beings transending space and time.
"They" aren't saying there is no God. "They" are witholding conclusion until evidence is presented. Constantly in this thread I hear person after person telling us all what God thinks and what God does as if they are his personal spokesperson and somehow know his mind. To me it's all wishful thinking and programmed behavior. 
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Icelander]
#6004988 - 08/28/06 05:27 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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capliberty said:
Nothing dull dude, I just laid down an argument for those imperialists, their explanation for things coming into existence out of cause and condition is weak IN MY OPinon. As adamant as those that deny the existent of god, their argument is just as weak in denying such a phenomena. What makes them so dam sure that there is no god? Their always quick to clown the argument by suggesting that god is some being in the sky or something to that nature. I don't think any religion really supports this picture. But so what, their could be supernatural beings transending space and time.
"They" aren't saying there is no God. "They" are witholding conclusion until evidence is presented. Constantly in this thread I hear person after person telling us all what God thinks and what God does as if they are his personal spokesperson and somehow know his mind. To me it's all wishful thinking and programmed behavior.
Honestly I don't think their will be any evidence unless you look for it with an open mind. Also determining what people experience as wishful thinking and programmed behavior is jumping to conclusions, I personal don't know what everybody experiences, It seems like people experience a lot different things evidenced by many different topics of disscusion many of which I have no understanding of. I can't really determine for sure what people know, but I do know where you comming from, as alot religious people 'just know' with no rational behind it is completely bogus. But then again I don't know what revelations they've had in their lives.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: capliberty]
#6005433 - 08/28/06 07:10 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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but I do know where you comming from,
I don't think so. 
I have always allowed for the possibility of a God. My best guess and preference are in another direction however. Just because I challenge those that claim to speak for God, I'm just doing what this forum is all about. Debating.
Without any proofs other than " I have experienced this so it must be true"; it's hard for myself, using my mind in a rational mode to accept that as definitive proof of a creator. And as I said before, the God most speak of sounds more like the president then some transcendental creator.
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