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 Icelander
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 Re: God's Disciples: WTF?  [Re: Silversoul]
#6002747 - 08/27/06 09:48 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
Are you listening to a damn word I'm saying? Don't quote me out of context. If you can't listen to me, it's no wonder you can't listen to God.
God damn it. 
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6002759 - 08/27/06 09:51 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you listen to God, it's for your own benefit, not for God's.
So, again I'm left out in the cold. I can't hear God (my fault, not God's) so I lose out on the benefit of the message.
Doesn't seem very Godly to do that to one who seeks him with good intentions.
Oh, but of course, God isn't doing this to me. It's my fault. Nevermind that he created me to be this way.
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Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Diploid]
#6002768 - 08/27/06 09:52 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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From your own description, it sounds as though you have heard God, but refuse to listen. No one's leaving you out in the cold but yourself.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6002778 - 08/27/06 09:57 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bad Diploid!
Go to Hell, do not pass go.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Icelander]
#6002786 - 08/27/06 10:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good and bad have nothing to do with it.
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 Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6002787 - 08/27/06 10:00 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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it sounds as though you have heard God, but refuse to listen.
Correction: I've heard SOMETHING that could be psychology or could be God, but I am INCAPABLE of de facto accepting that it is God. I'm not wired that way.
God MADE me incapable. Stop blaming me.
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6002792 - 08/27/06 10:02 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol it's like Silversoul is ignoring every solid point Diploid makes. If you want to convince yourself that what you are saying is true that's alright man but in a spirituality and philosophy forum you will have to do a lot more than "you have heard god but refused to listen take it from me kinda thing".
How about you elaborate on the way god speaks to you..?
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Diploid]
#6002794 - 08/27/06 10:02 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are not incapable. Just unwilling. Your limitations are your own doing.
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Quote:
Shroomerious said:
How about you elaborate on the way god speaks to you..?
It's an inner voice. We can all hear it(at least everyone I've ever met can), but we often ignore it, rather than learning how to listen to it.
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6002811 - 08/27/06 10:07 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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And what does that voice tell you? Your answer doesn't quite fit "elaborating".
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It "tells" of a higher state of being. We can access it through meditation, deep prayer, or the psychedelic exerience. It's hard to elaborate too much, because it's beyond words. The different attempts people have made to try and elaborate on it have resulted in the differentiation of this awareness into the world's different religions. And we've seen what that's done. So I'd rather let people experience it for themselves than try to explain my individual framework of interpretation.
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 Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Diploid]
#6002828 - 08/27/06 10:13 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
No, nothing, but some things are supported by a large enough quantity of consistent subjective observations, and backed by a large enough pool of seemingly unrelated but consistent orthogonal observations, that when taken as a whole are enough to convince me.
But what you are saying is that God could come to you, slap you in the face, give you a message,
and your experience would be automatically dismissed as psychology or self-deception because
no one else has ever had the same observed subjective slap in the face before....?
It sounds like your interpretation of such an event/experience is already predetermined as shit-canned, is it not....?
>^;;^<
P.S. Congratz~ on the modship....! 
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6002844 - 08/27/06 10:17 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Silversoul said:
Good and bad have nothing to do with it.
Kidding of course.
But as to being left out in the cold, I doubt that could be said about Dip if you know anything about his life.
He seems one of the happiest and well adjusted of our motley crew.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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 Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#6002849 - 08/27/06 10:19 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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But what you are saying is that God could come to you, slap you in the face, give you a message,
and your experience would be automatically dismissed as psychology or self-deception because
no one else has ever had the same observed subjective slap in the face before....?
Pretty much. If I'm the only one who felt the slap, and if later there was no mark on my face, and no other evidence of him having been there, then we're back where we started.
Now, if you and a few others were in the room with me and also got slapped, and if we later all had a hand print on our face, and if my web cam caught the incident, I'd be on my way to light a candle in the local church before you could say 'metaphysics'.
It's simple. Some threshold quantity of evidence is required to convince me. I won't buy the Brooklyn Bridge from you unless you show me the deed. Your word isn't good enough.
So far, I've found no where near enough evidence to even take things seriously.
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Wanna hear something depressing? One out of four Shroomerites wants to lock me in a government cage for using a substance they don't like.
Hard to believe, right? Read it for yourself:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7874721#Post7874721
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Silversoul]
#6002886 - 08/27/06 10:29 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you understand that what you are saying is extremely subjective or do you think that you have solved the single greatest mystery in the history and by the way supporting it with absolutely no info? You can believe what you want ofcourse. This is a discussion though. So you don't think that this "voice" is produced by the human brain as a result of millions of life experiences and it is something induced, an input from somewhere else? What I mean is that there are infinite maybes to identifying the origin of the voice you are feeling and you, born in a world where religion is carved onto your brain from day 1 from family, world, media etc choose to understand that voice as god is not subjective?
I understand what you are trying to describe as a voice, as something extra that could not have come from you, most people experienced that including me, but "maybe" does not fit in an objective description. Also, there are lots of reasons why religion was created, probably main one for me is humans insecurity and need for someone good to protect us. How about if that thing was a sadist? How about that? It wouldn't make you feel right and for that reason you wouldn't believe it most probably.
In our world today there is a lot of shit happening but also lots of good things. It's easy to live in a subjective sentimental lie and very difficult and psychologically demanding to continue to search for the real, objective truth. It's a choice that most of us have to make.
For the time being I quit searching. Because the place I ended up was not nice. Chaotic I'd say.
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True, chaos is not "nice" IMO. But maybe the Universe wants to know if you can stand a glimpse. It's a challenge worth living out. 
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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 Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Diploid]
#6002919 - 08/27/06 10:38 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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It would be funny if not ironic if you slept tonight with your hand under your face and
it left a handprint for you to discover when you woke up and looked in the mirror tomorrow morning....! 
>^;;^<
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#6002922 - 08/27/06 10:39 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice.
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 Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Gomp]
#6002947 - 08/27/06 10:45 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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"What is true for the majority, is not always coherent with what is the truth for all.."
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Re: God's Disciples: WTF? [Re: Diploid]
#6002966 - 08/27/06 10:48 PM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is he deliberately trying to confuse us
God is a crazy woman.
I guess you didn't get the memo...
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