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 Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? 
#5361935 - 03/03/06 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I just heard an interesting audio clip about Joe Rogan (Fear Factor dude) talking about DMT. You don't HAVE to check out the clip to get this post, but I found it pretty interesting and you might wanna check it out: Joe Rogan DMT Trip
Anyhow, he mentions something about how dreaming is essentially a DMT trip. I already knew that we had DMT in our brains or whatnot, but I was unaware it was the cause of dreams.
This left me to ponder something. Within the past year, starting shortly after surgery (I'm blaming the medication I received as the trigger for this), I've been tripping as I'm falling asleep. And I mean tripping.
It doesn't happen every night, more like 2 nights every 3 weeks to a month. Sometimes it's just one night, but it's common to be 2 nights in a row. I usually can tell when it's going to happen, because as I start to nod off and almost fall asleep, I can feel it coming on, panic, and wake myself up. Then I'm prepared for it and can actually fall into it, but no matter how prepared I am I'm always still in complete confusion once this trip begins. The only thing that doesn't keep me from panicking is that I tell myself I'm on some sort of drug, I guess thats instinct now for panicky and confused situations. I'm also sure it happens right upon falling asleep, as I'm usually in some lost thought when it comes on, usually I have a enough time to think "Here we go!" before I'm blasted into confusion, but thats about it.
What does the trip consist of? Well it's a mixture of a few things. Normal dreaming of coarse. The trip usually starts as a normal dream, that I'm watching from above in the third person. Then onto the second thing it consists of, which is sleep paralysis. From the very start of the dream, I'm very seperated, and still in a concious state. After about 5 seconds of dreaming I realize I'm dreaming, but of coarse cannot move due to sleep paralysis. This is where things start to get really weird.
I've always gotten sleep paralysis, but never with these other strange things with it. Anyhow, then the noises start. Really high pitched noises along with really low pitch screams, loud yelling, the sound of grinding metal. And then I leave my body.
Sometimes I go up, sometimes (usually) I go down, and on rare occasion, I'll go to the side. I'm sure many people here have had out of body experiences before, being a psychedelics forum and all, so you know what it's like. Sometimes I try to fight this feeling, I guess it depends on my mindset before sleep, but sometimes this terrifies me, and sometimes I'm perfectly accepting of it. Either way, it's intense.
This is where the most intense part of the trip begins. I'll start to get CEV's, exactly like those of a good shroom trip, and finally full out images (I'm guessing this is a half-dream state?). Then I usually dream of myself waking up and struggle to move or do something for a while, in a completely delerious state, saying "I smoked too much weed" over and over in my head untill of coarse I completely snap out of it all together and actually wake up.
Now, I know what your thinking, just some crazy dreams right? Well I'm sure I would have thought the same thing, but there's something that really weirds me out. Upon awakinging back to FULL conciousness (in no way shape or form dreaming) I feel buzzed for about 10 seconds. I guess it sort of feels like an alcohol buzz, warm and dizzy. After these 10 seconds I'm completely normal, but if these are just dreams then how could I possibly still be "feeling it" upon waking up?
So I know I've asked what could be causing this before, but upon hearing this audio clip, could it somehow be DMT tripping me out like this. Maybe my brain releases a large amount, and then it needs to regenerate a while before releasing it again? I know that sounds like weird, but it's the most logical explination I can think of. Could some post-surgery medication or antibiotic cause a DMT overload?
I'm not complaining about these trips, I really enjoy them other than the terrifying sounds, but it just worries me that I'm having them, and I'd like to know the cause. I have a good feeling that if I go to a doctor it will be blamed on drug use, but I'd like to add that when this all started, I had only smoked weed and I was an every-other-weekend toker. I'd also like to add that I've never been on drugs when this has happened, I've always been sober. One possible exception to this was one afternoon I crashed after being up for about 48 hours (stupid E) and it occured, I
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: Tyrone_C]
#5362317 - 03/03/06 07:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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did u discover this before or after u listened to joe rogan?
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: Tyrone_C]
#5362428 - 03/03/06 07:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the guy is full of shit
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: stefan]
#5362519 - 03/03/06 08:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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why?
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: keefboy]
#5362651 - 03/03/06 09:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you want to trip while falling asleep wait til you're on the verge of being asleep then focus intently on the third eye.
this is just hypothetical but i think it would work quite well but take a lot of tries before you got it to "open"
i think the third eye will let you go consciously into sleep when you s tart at the beginning of the night (yoga nidra from swamji.net says to focus third eye, then throat (to dream) then heart (to have conscious deep sleep) as you are fading.
or something of the sort.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: leery11]
#5362754 - 03/03/06 09:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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uhhhh hes not full of shit there is partial truth to what he says... ever hear of Dr. Rick Strassman? he wrote a book about his studies with dmt.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: the_psychonaut]
#5362860 - 03/03/06 10:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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very interesting indeed. tell the doctor you enjoy them and if he says 'oooph its because you smoke weed' then shove a needle in his eye lol. well id prolly go to a doctor maybe its a sign of deeper disturbance? perhaps its a sign of problems coming later? i dont know but i'd probably at least get it checked out, if its not life or mentality threatening, tell him not to worry about fixing it and dream trip!
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: Tyrone_C]
#5362960 - 03/03/06 10:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Read everything about Astral Projection. What you are describing are the methods and symptoms of out of body experiences. Read anything buy William Buhlman and Robert Bruce.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#5363005 - 03/03/06 11:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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wow free trips, jk jk
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: stefan]
#5363545 - 03/04/06 02:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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stefan said:
the guy is full of shit
Ouch dude isn't that a bit ignorant, I can't prove you wrong or anything, but ouch.
Doesn't it seem illogical though that I would just make up some crazy lie to trick a bunch of people I don't even know. I'm not even self-concious in real life, I dunno why I would be on a forum, but whatever, if you just wanna call me "full of shit" I can't stop you, it's not like thats any different from what people IRL have told me.
I have too much alcohol in me to argue this without getting it out of hand, so ya know what, just forget this post and please don't call me a bullshitter anymore and we'll both be happy.
Edit - And to the person who asked if I "experienced" this before hearing that Joe Rogan thing, yeah I did, I'll find my old post from a few moths ago when I'm a bit soberer.
Edit (again) - Stephan, if your calling me full of shit for claiming I'm having a crazy DMT trip every once and a while, then I think we just have a misunderstanding. I'm not making this claim, I'm just asking if it's possible. What I am saying as fact is that I AM having this experiences and I AM sober when I experience them, other than that I'm completely clueless on what causes them or why.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: Tyrone_C]
#5363587 - 03/04/06 03:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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no you havent had a dmt trip
not even close
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: Tyrone_C]
#5363621 - 03/04/06 03:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Tyrone_C said:
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stefan said:
the guy is full of shit
Ouch dude isn't that a bit ignorant, I can't prove you wrong or anything, but ouch.
Doesn't it seem illogical though that I would just make up some crazy lie to trick a bunch of people I don't even know. I'm not even self-concious in real life, I dunno why I would be on a forum, but whatever, if you just wanna call me "full of shit" I can't stop you, it's not like thats any different from what people IRL have told me.
I have too much alcohol in me to argue this without getting it out of hand, so ya know what, just forget this post and please don't call me a bullshitter anymore and we'll both be happy.
Edit - And to the person who asked if I "experienced" this before hearing that Joe Rogan thing, yeah I did, I'll find my old post from a few moths ago when I'm a bit soberer.
Edit (again) - Stephan, if your calling me full of shit for claiming I'm having a crazy DMT trip every once and a while, then I think we just have a misunderstanding. I'm not making this claim, I'm just asking if it's possible. What I am saying as fact is that I AM having this experiences and I AM sober when I experience them, other than that I'm completely clueless on what causes them or why.
hey man, don't worry it wasn't directed at you! 
I ment that guy (joe rogan) from the audio clip is ful of shit 
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: stefan]
#5364079 - 03/04/06 11:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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stefan said:
the guy is full of shit
What are u talking about Joe Rogan is fuckin awesome.
Hes a smart dude... when hes talking about life being a massive mystery and that if you havent had a heavy psychedelic experience you havent truly lived life... fuckin A man.. fuckin A.
And then when he says that if you looked at earth from space and saw L.A... u'd think WTF is that?? L.A. is like a cancer, some shit thats not supposed to be there and is slowly eating up everything around it.
And then he goes on about the ego...
If Joe rogan was on these boards id give him 5 mushrooms.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: Ginseng1]
#5364163 - 03/04/06 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sure he's a cool guy and everything and has some good points, but all what he sais about dreaming = DMT trip etc is bs.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: stefan]
#5364180 - 03/04/06 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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let's see the evidence stefan. from what i remember, he said a lot of true facts about DMT.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: stefan]
#5364183 - 03/04/06 12:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive smoked DMT before. NOTHING like dreaming. and if you tried to fall asleep right after smoking DMT u WILL NOT. DMT is the most alien feeling ive encountered. and its not something you can just do, and then go to sleep.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: stefan]
#5364187 - 03/04/06 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea he said a lot of really good things about the pscyhedelic experiene and the human experience but i agree, the dreaming = dmt thing is bs
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: keefboy]
#5364194 - 03/04/06 12:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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however, i doubt that the amount that is produced while we are in REM sleep is enough for an actual DMT trip.
and i believe the physical cause for dreams is still unknown?
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: stefan]
#5364345 - 03/04/06 01:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh my bad, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Re: Have I somehow had a DMT trip and not known about it? [Re: Tyrone_C]
#5364445 - 03/04/06 02:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A lot of people who haven't read Strassman's book assume that he associates DMT with dreaming. He doesn't.
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