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Ewok said:
Shroomism you and i have got to talk about this later

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Perhaps in private messages?

If you did intend on posting this in P&S as opposed to the Mysticism forum, in which you simply state your opinions and beliefs and it is agansit the rules to question them, then we will proceed by questioning key elements of your post.

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The story so far:
Supposedly when we were in mostly spirit form, 26,000 years ago, we fall from 5th and 4th dimension down to 3rd, we go thro Galactic night and now the photon belt is shining strong we are getting ready to blast off come 2012!

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There is no photon belt. There will be no blast off as the result of some photon belt "shining" as there is no photon belt. I will allow Diploid or Swami to demonstrate this as they have many times previously.


Peace.

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Ewok said:
im reading Hitchikers Gudie to the Galaxy now and thats also very inspiring

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You mean it is inspiring these types of ideas, as though the book wasn't fiction?

This topic certainly isn't philosophical in nature, and if it actually does relate to spirituality, one must realize that a major aspect of spirituality is discerning reality from illusion.


Peace.

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BlueCoyote said:
Ewok, use the notify mod-button

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Yes mods move this. Your second reply ewok I want to add some clarity too. I don't care to debate it though because I can't prove my understanding of it. I can only share it and let ewok or whoever make of it what they will.

If you wanted it to be debated here ewok then, you might as well ralize now that it will be torn down to the shreds of being absolute BS. You might as well not have posted it in here if you wanted something of it to remain in tact.

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gettinjiggywithit said:
If you wanted it to be debated here ewok then, you might as well ralize now that it will be torn down to the shreds of being absolute BS.

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We all take a page from your lessons on how to effectively utilize subtle trolling and flaming. Huzzah!

It is no surprise that, when analyzed and examined, something that has no basis in reality or reason will be revealed to be absolute bullshit. Its nice to see that you are making observations while you troll.


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Ewok said:
By the way i just check Amazon and Barbara Clow just released a new book which deals specifically with all 9 Ds in great details!

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Veritas said:
Hmmm...was she flaming the skeptics or was she flaming Ewok?  After all, she was sure that his ideas would be reduced to absolute BS.  Tough call, mods.

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Well, considering the nature of trolling and what has clearly been evidenced in the past, I think it should be rather clear who was being referred to and the manner in which they were being referenced.


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Veritas said:
I think you had trouble hearing me around the tongue in my cheek.

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Nah, I went off on my own tangent there. I perceived your writings as they were presented.


Peace.

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Veritas said:
Hmmm...was she flaming the skeptics or was she flaming Ewok?  After all, she was sure that his ideas would be reduced to absolute BS.  Tough call, mods.

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FW and Ver,

It was easy to be sure of it when the first reply to it did just that! Proof and evidence arrived before I just expressed my observation of it, making note to that fact, before giving ewok an alternate suggestion to consider.

Since when is saying that its the skeptics job to call BS a flame? You two are just fucking around and taking ewoks post off topic.


I  understand why people see this stuff the way Pyska does. I also understand why people see this stuff the way ewok does "not sure". I also understand why people believe any or all portions of it as the "meta" behind the physics.

What's left to understand is why ewok put it in here vs MR&P. He hasn't been around much and may have forgotten he had a choice depending on the nature of the feed back he was looking for and if he was looking for skeptical debate as well as discussion, or just constructive discussion.

I'm not the only one wondering why he chose P&S. You did too veritas.

I told him I would happy to clear up some of his questions from my view, if this were over in MRP. Maybe that's what you took personal offense to FW. There was no offense meant to be given. This is the debate forum and its encouraged here, its allowed in here. I debate topics in here and take a skeptics view in some of them.

My reminding ewok of the nature of feedback he would get in here versus MRP was an act of consideration shown towards him. If you saw malice in that, you may want to wipe it off your lens and remind yourself thats okay to be skeptical and to debate in here. I'm not sure if ewok realized/remembered he had a choice before posting this in here. It was an act of community service.

For now, its in here so, its a free ball and game! 

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Ewok said:
Shroomism said a while ago that the planet has asked for a global Ascension.
But if some are refusing to go what do you think happens, do you think its possible that material 3d earth will simply house those souls, do you think 4D, 5D will simply transit away from perception and majority people will also disappear from 3d, or will the earth truly Ascend and 3d will become pure light and shift to 4D? and those who cant will be .... teleported away to another planet? Thats what i heard but i don't know about teleoprtation

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I didn't re-read the rest yet. This is the paragraph I wanted to share another view out there on it. This one is important to me, because I think there has been a lot of fear and mis-information generated out there about the idea of "transports to other systems".


I first feel inspired to talk about the use of the word dimensions in this type of material. When I first started reading this stuff, I was under the impression that it was being put in a completely different physical space. That use to scare me, wondering how that would happen and who would be left behind yada yada. Like how you said, what if others don't want to go into another dimension like its another physical place to be.

My understanding now is that we are ascending into added dimensions of conscious awareness. The physical space remains the same and we all remain in it. What changes is your perception and the more spatial dimentions you have to move into, consciously, the more you can see of what has always been there.

Regarding reality splits, I see it working like this;

Say two people are at the same party. One is having a negative experience, seeing bad things happen and is having a lousy time getting along. Another is at the same party, having a positive experience, seeing good things happen and is getting along quite easily.

Two people are in the same physical space and are having two entirely different experiences within it.

It's as simple as that. It's not going to be a  matter of one great party going on over there somewhere else and an awful party going on in another place and some judge decides who gets an invitation to which. Both parties are going on at the same time, in the same space and place, planet earth, and you decide which space within the space, you wish to enter. Move into unconditional love and you are in joy and ease. Move into fear and you are in negativity and struggle.

One can say, "it has always been that way". Indeed it has. The only difference now is that more people are awakening to understanding what has always been, that they have a choice, and how to use that choice. Because of this, more people are choosing to create more joy and ease for themselves then ever before.

Joy and ease are high vibrational states to be in. The people are ascending themselves into higher vibrationally planes of existence right here, right now. As they do, they will experience a planet that is ascending right along with them. It's all perceptual.

Others, dwelling in negativity tend to compound it upon themselves and grow heavier. They descend themselves into lower planes of existence. Like the guy who gets pissed at his friend, and in his anger, snipes off at his boss and then gets fired and then, goes out to get drunk and then smashes his car.

It's a self destructive place to be and those people who make those choices will self destruct and just die off. They aren't going anywhere before that.

What I hear through the grapevine and have no opinion of my own about is that, Earth is being re-established as a planet working with multidimensional consciousness. It's not going to happen over night or on the eve of 12/21/2012.

What I hear is that souls ready to work with multidimensional consciousness in physicality will choose to incarnate here. Souls still choosing to work with duality oppositions and perception will choose to incarnate somewhere else hosting that energy structure.

I hear this stuff, and I can see it if it is spread out in a slow phasing in and phasing out process over decades.

As far as 2012 is concerned, it was predicted to be the time of hitting critical mass creating enough inertia and pull to start pulling others up and into to the higher planes of consciousness. Word on the street was, with a lot of tweaking behind the scenes, we hit critical mass in late 2005.

That just means, it will now progressively become easier for people to make the shift into choosing, more joy and ease through unconditional love and less sorrow and struggle through fear.

If everyone in a room, is expressing good will, love, joy, appreciation, it becomes easier for you to do it too. The energy uplifts and is uplifting to be around. Spend enough time with them and then, you become the same sort of pivotal force for others.

Same as when you are in a room full of people complaining, spewing hate and negativity, il will for others and appreciation of nothing, its easier for you to start feeling that way. If you spend enough time with them, you'll become that pivotal downer for others.


This is how there will be one joyful easy party going on and one pitiful struggling party going on all at the same time, through choice.  On the same planet, same time, people are creating their own heavens on earth and sharing in that space they create with others creating it. There are people creating their own hells on earth and are sharing that space with others creating it.

It always has been that way. The only difference now is that, more who were busy creating hell here with others are waking up and saying, "you know what? THIS SUCKS! There's gotta be a better way and I am going to find it. And when they make the humble and sincere commitment to doing just that and let go, little by little, of their old ways, way showers appear to help show them new ways ,into more joy and ease. It doesn't happen over night.

They are waking up because, it was there time too. Every soul gets there chance to self rebel and have a lot of fun raising hell for a while and then, they start to tire of it and want to straighten up and fly right. In our time, many go through self rebellion for thousands of years until they say, "okay, I've had enough, this sucks, I want go back home now, now that I can appreciate it." Having gone through the self rebellion phase, we have fresh ideas for what to do with the good now that we know life without it.

Home isn't a place out there somewhere. Home is where the heart in love is.

And you can be in love with life itself. If you've ever been in love, the unconditional sort, you know what its like. You feel like your floating, everything is beautiful, you walk around with the goofiest smile on your face, you are bursting at the seems with joy. When there, you wish everyone felt like you did.  It's awesome and you can feel that for life itself and be there, right here, right now. You just got to let go of the weights in your heart and mind holding you down.

That's how we descended deeper into matter and ego. We started taking things too seriously, making more matter to us personally, and in that, it was easier to start holding grudges and hating, and reasons to get angry appeared more and more and competition and vengeance kicked in and you know the rest-it got ugly.

If you want to ascend, even if for a short spell to try it out, let go of your self and quit taking yourself so seriously. Quit making things matter so much because it only makes things weightier and holds you down.

I wanted to add some on how I understand the perceptions and dimensional states of consciousness to work and I can't find the right words right now. Real quick, I can say that we perceive what we are in resonant harmony with and that can be negativity, positivity or a mix of both.

Thats the only way I understand facets of percpetual reality to dissapear or appear. Like when you get really positive, negative people start dissapearing from your life, or like when you get really negative, positive people start dissapearing from your life. They are still here, you just either don't recognise them anymore in your own state of being, or have pushed them away through disonance.


I do want to add this and I have brought it up before and for some reason, its not gelling yet for many people. Blue gets it I know.

We all strive for balance. Some think balance means half negative half positive. That would an example of 4-D thinking. If people want to drink balanced glasses of water by that thinking, they can drink half fresh water and half poisoned water, be my guest. I'll take a balanced glass of pure fresh water over that mix any day.

Last time I checked, an object in balance is equalized and seated in it's  center of gravity. It's difficult to stumble or fall when your there. When equalized, there is no more up or down to tilt with or fall into. You can execute the fullest of your power when in your center of gravity. All good and all positive is equalized by itself and has a center of gravity and that is unconditional love.

You can take the negative away by infusing it with positive any time you want to and you won't fall out of balance, you'll finally know what equalization and balance feels like and come into more personal power.

Is you bank account more powerful with positive numbers in it or negative numbers in it. Which account allows you more freedom in life? Which accounts allows you more stability and support? The one as full as it can be with positive numbers. The one full of numbers in the negatives is not only useless and worthless, its a drain because you owe before you can even get back to zero and back into the positives.

Why do people spend positive cash to buy negative cash? We do this when we invest our energy and beliefs into negativity. Would you go and give someone 10 dollars to purchase a 20 debt? That's exactly what people are doing when they buy into negativity.

If you see and get what I am saying, you are seeing how things look and work from a 5th dimensional perspective. And that is just one tiny little goody of all you can see within the addition of a 5th dimension of viewing space. It's worth moving into. Those little goodies you start to see are what you use to start creating your heaven on earth with.

Well, that's all that seemed to want to come out from me in response to this post for now.

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gettinjiggywithit said:You can take the negative away by infusing it with positive any time you want to and you won't fall out of balance, you'll finally know what equalization and balance feels like and come into more personal power.

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Paradigm said:
I don't know about this 9-dimensional plaedian model, or 2012 timewave zero stuff. I'm not sure what to believe about it. But here's what I do believe about where we are and where we're going:

Mankind is at a crossroads right now. We have the ability to either save or destroy ourselves, and as of now, we seem to be headed towards the latter. But I have great faith in the human spirit. I believe we can not only avert catastrophe, but can actually make this world a much better place for our children. I personally want to be part of that. But perhaps it will take a massive shift in consciousness to achieve that.

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tempmenot said:
But you got it slightly wrong when you say we need 144000 people with Christ consiosness to bring the shift to another dimension.

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