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 Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice 
#4945177 - 11/17/05 04:51 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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By Edwin Chen
WASHINGTON ? Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday lashed out at Democrats who accused the Bush administration of manipulating intelligence in the run-up to the Iraq war, saying such critics were spreading "one of the most dishonest and reprehensible charges ever aired" in Washington.
Cheney also suggested that the Democratic attacks could undermine troop morale.
The saddest part is that our people in uniform have been subjected to these cynical and pernicious falsehoods day in and day out," Cheney said in a speech in Washington to a conservative think tank.
"American soldiers and Marines are out there every day in dangerous conditions and desert temperatures ? and back home a few opportunists are suggesting they were sent into battle for a lie," Cheney said.
The vice president's tough words escalated a bitter partisan dispute over the origins of the Iraq war that has become a daily barrage of charges and counter-charges between Senate Democrats and top Bush administration officials, including the president.
In two recent speeches, President Bush disputed Democratic charges that the White House had manipulated the available intelligence to build support for invading Iraq.
The president said Democrats now leveling accusations had access to the same intelligence he did before they voted to authorize military force in Iraq.
On Wednesday evening, Cheney picked up where Bush left off.
"What we are hearing now is some politicians contradicting their own statements and making a play for political advantage in the middle of a war," the vice president told the Frontiers of Freedom Institute.
Democrats quickly responded to Cheney's speech.
"It is hard to name a government official with less credibility on Iraq than Vice President Cheney," said Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.). "The vice president continues to mislead America about how we got into Iraq and what must be done to complete the still unaccomplished mission."
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) joined the criticism.
"In the last 24 hours, 10 of our brave soldiers have been killed in far-off Iraq," Reid said. "On such a night, you would think Cheney would give a speech that honors the fallen and those still fighting by laying out a strategy for success. Instead we have the vice president of the United States playing politics like he's in the middle of a presidential campaign."
Recent polls show plummeting public support for the war and a parallel slide in Bush's job approval ratings, now at the lowest level of his presidency.
The controversy over prewar intelligence has returned the spotlight to the vice president, because it was Cheney who often led the way in presenting the prewar case that Iraq's then-president, Saddam Hussein, presented a threat to the United States.
In his speech, Cheney said Democrats had departed from the tradition of adhering to "some basic measure of truthfulness and good faith in the conduct of political debate," adding: "The suggestion that's been made by some U.S. senators that the president of the United States or any member of this administration purposely misled the American people on prewar intelligence is one of the most dishonest and reprehensible charges ever aired in this city."
Bush chimed in from his weeklong trip to Asia to support Cheney's aggressive language.
Asked during an appearance in South Korea who was right ? Cheney for calling the war criticism reprehensible or Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) for saying that questioning one's government is patriotic ? Bush appeared perturbed and fired back: "The vice president."
"It's irresponsible to use politics," he said. "This is serious business, winning this war. But it's irresponsible to do what [the Democrats have] done."
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 Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: daimyo]
#4945213 - 11/17/05 05:30 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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is there any difference between an "america hater" and a "cheney hater"??...
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 Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: Annapurna1]
#4945371 - 11/17/05 08:23 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice ???
what a terrible title for this thread...
time will tell...
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: Annapurna1]
#4945374 - 11/17/05 08:26 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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its funny that cheney and the admin are saying "...the war" is "serious business" huh? get it? ha. like when bush talks about creedence and all you can think of is that song fortunate son.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: daimyo]
#4945468 - 11/17/05 09:33 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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"The President and I cannot prevent certain politicians from losing their memory, or their backbone ? but we?re not going to sit by and let them rewrite history."
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: lonestar2004]
#4945484 - 11/17/05 09:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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"we worked hard to control the writing of history and i'll be damned if i'll let any kind of opposition form"
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: lonestar2004]
#4945486 - 11/17/05 09:46 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bush and Cheney walk into the Senate. A silence hushes over.
GW: Seems as though some of you faggots got a problem. Wanna tell me bout it?
Dick: Don't be shy now ladies.
Kerry: I...have...a...problem with..you.
GW: Look at that Dick. The elitist baby killer has a problem. Maybe he's just tripping out on acid.
Dick: (laughter)
GW: Well, what's the problem son?
Kerry: You mislead us. We're in a war we shouldn't be.
Dick: Looks like you're in the Senate to me moron.
Kerry: You know what I mean.
GW: Yea. You're a flip flopper who wants your $10 cup of coffee drinkin voters to scrub your Brooks Brothers nuts.
Dick: Easy George. I think he's just speaking on behalf of the Americans he represents. They feel mislead.
Kerry: Exactly.
GW: So you speak for the families of the soldiers doing what WE sent them to do?
Kerry: Well, not all of them.
GW: Ever stop to think about what you are doing to those who don't share your views?
Kerry: No.
Dick: (pulls out gun and shoots Kerry) Now, any of you fuckers that disgrace our men and women again know what's coming.
America: (rejoices)
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: daimyo]
#4945493 - 11/17/05 09:50 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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first two lines were really funny, all down hill from there.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: daimyo]
#4945518 - 11/17/05 10:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i love on THe Colbert Report whebn steven puts people "on notice" its fucking funny. he really spoofs oreillu perfectly
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: KingOftheThing]
#4945527 - 11/17/05 10:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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havent seen it. no tv. what is it?
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: kilgore_trout]
#4946043 - 11/17/05 01:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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oooh. its been a few months. Time for the Bushites to pull out the old "If you dont agree with us, you arent patriotic" line again....
Dissent IS Patriotic.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: Madtowntripper]
#4946055 - 11/17/05 01:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dissent is acceptable. Trying to pass off blatantly false and pathetically clumsy revisionism of recent history as "dissent" is not just unpatriotic, it's (in these days of the Internet and Lexis/Nexis) downright stupid.
Phred
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: daimyo]
#4946192 - 11/17/05 01:45 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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daimyo said:
The president said Democrats now leveling accusations had access to the same intelligence he did before they voted to authorize military force in Iraq.
Talk about manipulating the truth. Do you really think this is true? If Bush is sending every piece of intelligence that comes across his desk to the Senate floor, he would be the first president in history to do so. That fact is, being in the executive office, the President has access to plenty of intelligence that isnt shared among the 100 senators and hundreds of Representatives on the floor of Congress.
While you may be entirely trusting of the current administration, I do no find it at all hard to believe that the President chose which information to share based on the result he wanted to achieve. Saying that the people who voted for the war had the same information you had is false.
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If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy
He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: Madtowntripper]
#4946222 - 11/17/05 01:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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That quote should not be attributed to me, but instead the author of the article.
I don't trust this administration or any one before or after. No politicians, no lawyers, nobody administrative. I trust noone 
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: daimyo]
#4946242 - 11/17/05 02:01 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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J'apologie.
I meant to reply to Phred.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: Madtowntripper]
#4946348 - 11/17/05 02:28 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Talk about manipulating the truth. Do you really think this is true? If Bush is sending every piece of intelligence that comes across his desk to the Senate floor, he would be the first president in history to do so.
Both the SSCI report and the Robb-Silbermann report pointed out that Senate members get the NIE (national intelligence estimate). They also pointed out that the PDBs (Presidential daily briefings) were even MORE alarmist than the NIEs. This means the Dems who voted to depose Hussein by force did so on even LESS inflammatory intelligence than the President got. In other words, their threshhold for Hussein's shenanigans was even lower than that of Bush.
There is of course also the little issue of all the other major intelligence agencies of the world, the UN itself and even Hussein's own generals believing Hussein had retained chem and bio weaponry.
Look, we all know most Dems didn't want to resume the hostilities in Iraq which had been suspended by the conditional ceasefire agreement signed in 1991. Dems as a species don't believe anything is worth going to war over.
But Dems also like being re-elected, and Dems are capable of reading the mood of the electorate. With roughly 70% of the American electorate favoring taking Hussein out, the more opportunistic Dems saw no difficulty in abandoning their principles for political gain and voting for war rather than voting their conscience. For these Dems to now claim they voted the way they did because they were duped rather than because they were political opportunists is dishonest, unpatriotic and -- worst of all -- stupid.
Phred
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: Phred]
#4946993 - 11/17/05 04:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Exactly.
Democrat politicians continuously lie about where they stand on all issues. They "change their minds" or even regret ever saying certain things, in order to gain popular votes. This is not true for most Republican politicians. They stand by their word, whether people like it or not. And this is what really pisses the libs off.
They can't seem to keep their words, in the same way. It infuriates them, to no end.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: psiclops]
#4947084 - 11/17/05 05:08 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kinda like all those Republicans that preach fiscal conservatism and then pass ridiculous pork legislation?
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: Phred]
#4947093 - 11/17/05 05:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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i'm not a democrat and i never will be, but i applaud the democrats for what they are doing now. It's been a long time coming and it's about time they stood up and said something on behalf of the roughly 45% of americans who were against this war from the start. They are the only group with the political power in this country to even attempt to pull this off so in this case they have my support. Sure, they waited until bush's approval rating was down to like 30%...that's how they are using politics. To bring this up now (the fact that the administration did mislead the american people) that his approval rating is so low is genius because it forces him (bush) to acknowledge this issue whereas if he had a 60% approval rating he probably wouldn't talk about it. He'd just scoff at the issue like the arrogant pinhead that he is.
The Bush administration wanted this whole pesky WMD's thing to just go away whenever bush admitted there weren't any weapons, but there are some of us in this country who still have the integrity, common human decency, and the respect for the world to want to see someone take some responsibility for this massive massive government failure. I'd like to know who in the intelligence community lost their jobs because of this. Anyone know? The conservatives here would have me believe it was completely the intelligence communities fault, but can they tell me who is being held accountable? Who gets to be the scape goat?
Now, all this talk about the Dem trying to rewrite history? That's just the ridiculous and pathetically lame catch phrase you bushites picked up from all these right wing attack speeches bush has been giving recently. monkey see monkey do. I think it's dead on accurate to say that Bush and co. mislead and intimidated the american people into their initial war support. I remember it because i was paying very close attention to the whole thing at the time. Cheney was saying 'there is no doubt in my mind saddam hussein has wmds' bush was saying that if we didn't act, we'd see the smoking gun in the form of "a mushroom cloud" Collin Powell took fake anthrax to the UN to sell his part in the whole thing. They made a very very cosmetically convincing case to the american people...people that hadn't thought about iraq in years all the sudden hated suddam hussein with a passion and were worried about the nuclear weapons he had. They were fools and they were mislead. The Bush administration was in charge of making the case for war to the country so it is natural that they were the ones doing the misleading.
Dems aren't trying to rewrite history...check the buzzwords are the door please. The dems are trying to hold bush accountable for the history which he has created. Just because the stupid dems voted in favor of the war does not mean bush did not mislead the american people, and pointing out that the dems voted in favor of the war will not change that fact. It's hardly the same issue if you actually give it some though. Please...try to get past the fact that both republicans and democrats are spineless opportunistic weasels and movie on the the real issues. (such as this huge giant iraq war blunder that are grand children get to pay for)
I'd Also like to point out that i think it's great that many republicans are starting to distance themselves from bush now that his ratings are so low because above all else, it shows that republicans are equally as spineless and opportunistic as the democrats are.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: cateyes]
#4947163 - 11/17/05 05:23 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice ???
what a terrible title for this thread...
I was crushed. I thought this was originally about people like me and decided to enter. Little did I know, it was about a few Democrats dissenting from the White House.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: bukkake]
#4947291 - 11/17/05 05:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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HA! very good one.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
#4948060 - 11/17/05 08:13 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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JonnyOnTheSpot writes:
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It's been a long time coming and it's about time they stood up and said something on behalf of the roughly 45% of americans who were against this war from the start.
Bogus figure, sir. Please provide polls from on or around the end of March 2003 showing 45% of Americans opposing the war. It started March 19, 2003, so if you're going to claim 45% opposed it "from the start" that's the timeframe we need reliable polls from. Knock yourself out.
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To bring this up now (the fact that the administration did mislead the american people) ...
As has been established, Bush didn't "mislead" the American people about anything. The most you can argue is that the American intelligence agencies got it just as wrong through eight years of Clinton (a Democrat, in case you had forgotten) as the intelligence agencies of France, Russia, Germany, England, Italy and a whole bunch of others. Add to that the UN itself and Hussein's own generals.
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The conservatives here would have me believe it was completely the intelligence communities fault, but can they tell me who is being held accountable?
Who does the president rely on for intelligence about these matters if not the intelligence agencies? As for who lost their jobs, I do believe the guy who was head of the CIA on September 11, 2001 (George Tenet) is no longer the head of the CIA. Am I mistaken in this belief?
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Now, all this talk about the Dem trying to rewrite history? That's just the ridiculous and pathetically lame catch phrase you bushites picked up from all these right wing attack speeches bush has been giving recently.
Sorry, but that is not even close to being the truth. Bush's supporters have been despairing for over a year that he hasn't refuted the Dems revisionism. They've been after his administration for at least that long to respond to the Dem's bullshit. It's Bush who has been behind the curve, not his supporters.
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I think it's dead on accurate to say that Bush and co. mislead and intimidated the american people into their initial war support. I remember it because i was paying very close attention to the whole thing at the time. Cheney was saying 'there is no doubt in my mind saddam hussein has wmds' bush was saying that if we didn't act, we'd see the smoking gun in the form of "a mushroom cloud"
You were paying close attention, were you? Then you can't have missed the many equally strong statements from literally dozens of prominent Dems saying the exact same thing, starting in the 1990s. There have only been about thirty or so threads in this forum with posts including lists of such quotes from Dems that take about a minute and a half to scroll through.
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...people that hadn't thought about iraq in years all the sudden hated suddam hussein with a passion and were worried about the nuclear weapons he had.
September 11, 2001 changed the way Americans looked at Hussein. In polls taken two days after the attacks (LONG before the Bush administration had said word one about Iraq re 9/11), almost 80% of Americans polled believed Hussein was behind the attacks.
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Dems aren't trying to rewrite history...check the buzzwords are the door please.
They are trying to rewrite history. Fortunately the Internet and Lexis/Nexis make their efforts futile. It's not a case of "buzzwords" at all -- it's a case of their own words.
I have no problem with Dems who voted against resuming hostilities in Iraq. One could argue they made the wrong decision, but it's not like it was an easy decision to make. I have problems with the Dems who voted for the war out of cynical political calculation now pretending they were duped into doing so. That's transparent bullshit, pure and simple.
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Re: Cheney Puts American America Haters On Notice [Re: Phred]
#4948089 - 11/17/05 08:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They voted out of pure political calculation then, they'll whine and vote out of pure political calculation now. They believe in nothing and never have. Like union biggies drawing paychecks 100 times the size of the average union member. Gotta love 'em. They are really amateurs.
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