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 Redstorm
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 Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"...  [Re: Alex213]
#4883147 - 11/02/05 12:25 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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It doesn't say anything about chlorine in 661. It only addresses dual-use materials; it doesn't say that chlorine was considered one. Was chlorine banned?
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Redstorm]
#4883172 - 11/02/05 12:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Read the heads of the Baghdad water plants. Clearly something was prohibiting the importation of chlorine. If it wasn't the UN 661 sanctions, what was it?
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Alex213]
#4883214 - 11/02/05 12:38 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Today, because chlorine is declared a potential military item, manufacture of chlorine is prohibited in Iraq (three chlorine plants were destroyed during the Gulf War). Importation of chlorine has been severely restricted by the U.S.-U.N. sanctions.
http://www.iacenter.org/iraqchallenge/water.htm
It looks like you may be right about the chlorine thing. I'd like to know what "severely restricted" means. Is it banned, or what?
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Alex213]
#4883420 - 11/02/05 01:27 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex213 writes:
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No problem. Here's the link. It's UN resolution 661. Chlorine was included as dual-use under this resolution.
Wrong again. Chlorine is not mentioned in the resolution. For that matter, "dual-use" is not mentioned in the resolution. Nor is there a reference in the resolution to any supporting appendix which might include the words "chlorine" or "dual-use".
And quite clearly chlorine was imported into Iraq and tracked by UN workers -- specifically UNICEF workers -- as shown by the links I provided.
So not only have you failed to support your claim that the UN sanctions prohibited importation of chlorine, you have failed to address the very clear evidence -- the words of UNICEF workers themselves -- that chlorine was in fact imported into Iraq.
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Here's officials at the Baghdad water ministry, gee, I guess they must be "incorrect" too?
You take the word of Ba'athist regime flunkies over the word of the UNICEF workers riding herd on delivery of chlorine? Not a surprise, since your previous posts indicate your uncritical acceptance of everything the Ba'athist regime proclaimed -- i.e. their claim they didn't gas their Kurds.
Please try again.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Phred]
#4884028 - 11/02/05 04:34 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Where is that quote from? Because the UN in no way shape or form considered Hussein to have met his obligations re providing proof of destruction of its existing WMD stocks and programs -- ever -- and certainly not in 1998.
The UN inspection team withdrew in 1998 not because they had received the necessary proof, but because the head of the team (Charles Butler) determined there was no point staying when Hussein was giving them the runaround. This is a matter of public record.
I am, personally, uncertain if Saddam ever truthfully totally disarmed and destroyed all of his weapons stashes. I do know Saddam's "weapons declaration" before the war noted he had no weapons and as far as is recorded, the US hasn't found any chemical or biological weapons while entrenched in Iraq to this day.
Maybe Saddam was giving UN inspectors the run-around when he was well aware few UNSCOM inspectors were US/UK spies.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: bukkake]
#4884767 - 11/02/05 07:33 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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How Saddam 'staged' fake baby funerals
The Iraqi dictator says his country's children are dying in their thousands because of the West's embargoes. John Sweeney, in a TV documentary to be shown tonight, says the figures are bogus. Here he reports from Iraq on his findings
Terrorism crisis - Observer special
Observer Worldview
Sunday June 23, 2002
The Observer
The witness against the government of Iraq walked stiffly into the room, metal callipers buckled to heavy medical shoes. They had tortured her two years ago. She is now four.
Her father had been suspected of involvement in a plot to kill Saddam Hussein's psychopathic son, Uday. He fled to the north of Iraq, but the secret police, the mukhabarat, came for his wife, still in Baghdad, and tortured her. When she wouldn't break, they tortured 'Anna' in front of her.
Her father, 'Ali', is a thick-set Iraqi who worked in Saddam's privileged inner circle. He described what they did to her: 'They had a wooden stick. They would squeeze her feet and ask "Has Daddy called you?" - she understood - "Does Daddy contact you?"'
She is a victim of Saddam's brutality, proof that he is prepared to dispense violence against even his country's children. By a cruel irony, her father is also witness to Saddam's efforts to portray those same children as victims of Western sanctions, which he claims have cost hundreds of thousands of young lives.
Osama bin Laden justified the 11 September attack on America by referring to a million dead Iraqi children - killed by sanctions. But there is a belief among many Iraqis that Saddam is inventing the numbers.
Ali, outraged that Saddam's torturers may have crippled his daughter for life, spoke openly about how the regime's propaganda has faked mass baby funerals - 'evidence' of the 7,000 children under five the regime claims are being killed each month by sanctions.
Small coffins, decorated with grisly photographs of dead babies and their ages - 'three days', 'four days', written usefully for the English-speaking media - are paraded through the streets of Baghdad on the roofs of taxis, the procession led by a throng of official mourners.
There is only one problem. Because there are not enough dead babies around, the regime prevents parents from burying infants immediately, in the Muslim tradition, to create more powerful propaganda.
The taxi drivers do what they are told - as everybody does in Saddam's Iraq - to their evident disgust. Before Ali defected to the north, one friend of his, a taxi driver, explained how it worked: 'I went to Najaf [a town 100 miles south of Baghdad] a couple of days ago. I brought back two bodies of children for one of the mass funerals. The smell was very strong.'
Ali continued: 'The taxi driver didn't know how long they'd been in freezers, perhaps six or seven months. The drivers would collect them from the regions and would be informed of when a mass funeral was arranged so they would be ready. Certainly, they would collect bodies of children who had died months before and been held for the mass processions.'
A second, Western source, went to visit visited a Baghdad hospital and, when the official Iraqi minder was absent, was taken to the mortuary. There, a doctor showed the source a number of dead babies, lying stacked in the mortuary, waiting for the next official procession.
Anna was the youngest witness to child torture by the Iraqi government in an investigation, The Mother of All Ironies, to be broadcast by BBC2's Correspondent today. It found six other adult witnesses in the Kurdish safe haven in the north - the only part of Iraq where people are free to speak.
The most chilling witness was one of Saddam's torturers, who was captured spying against the Kurds this year. 'Kamal' told us: 'They would bring the son in front of his parents, who were handcuffed or tied, and would start off with simple methods of torture, such as cigarette burns. Then they started using other methods of torture, more serious ones.
'They would tell the father that they'd slaughter his son, and they'd bring a bayonet out, and if the parents didn't confess they'd kill the child. 'The interrogator has the right to kill the child, or perform any other butchery, whatever's necessary.' And then Kamal chuckled.
It is an absolute of the government of Iraq - and others - that thousands of Iraqi children are dying every month because of sanctions. We managed to get a cameraman to accompany a fact-finding trip into Iraq this year by the Great Britain-Iraq Society, led by its chairman, Labour MP George Galloway.
At the start of the trip Galloway, in Iraq for the ninth time in two-and-a-half years, said: 'Every six minutes an Iraqi child will have died under the embargo. That's every six minutes of every day, of every night, every year for 12 years.'
In 1999 Unicef, in co-operation with the Iraqi government, made a retrospective projection of 500,000 excess child deaths in the 1990s. The projection is open to question. It was based on data from within a regime that tortures children with impunity. All but one of the researchers used by Unicef were employees of the Ministry of Health, according to the Lancet.
The dead babies are blamed by Saddam's regime on cancers and birth defects which first appeared in 1991 and were, it says, caused by depleted uranium weapons. While no one should underestimate the lethality of these weapons and the stupidity of the US military machine, the claim does not make radiological sense. According to Dr Nick Plowman, head of clinical oncology at St Bartholomew's Hospital, London, the claim 'is ridiculous. It flies in the face of everything learnt from Hiroshima and Nagasaki.'
Cancers do not develop overnight. Bombs that fell in 1991 could not have caused cancers or birth defects in that year. Fast leukaemias might occur in four or five years, heavy tumours around now, said Plowman.
Richard Guthrie, a chemical weapons researcher at Sussex University, said: 'It's much more likely to be chemical weapons. There are serious clusters of cancers in the south of Iraq near Basra. In the late Eighties, Basra was almost taken by Iranian human-wave offensives, and Saddam stopped these by dropping chemical weapons on them and, by accident, on his own people.
? John Sweeney's report will be shown in Correspondent on BBC2 at 7.15pm today
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,742303,00.html
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Los_Pepes]
#4884802 - 11/02/05 07:41 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The USA didn't put Saddam Hussein in power and did NOT help the Baathists come to power. That is all lies.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Los_Pepes]
#4884811 - 11/02/05 07:42 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They did help the Baathists come to power.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Redstorm]
#4884847 - 11/02/05 07:49 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The USA did not help the Baathists come to power.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Redstorm]
#4884851 - 11/02/05 07:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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They did help the Baathists come to power.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Phred]
#4886552 - 11/03/05 02:08 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wrong again. Chlorine is not mentioned in the resolution.
You misunderstand the nature of the resolution. As I stated Chlorine was designated dual-use UNDER this resolution. That doesn't mean the resolution will list the hundreds upon hundreds of articles that were banned WITHIN the resolution itself. The resolution was passed, then the 661 committee was set up to ban what it felt was necessary.
And quite clearly chlorine was imported into Iraq and tracked by UN workers -- specifically UNICEF workers -- as shown by the links I provided
You have provided one link (that doesn't work) with one quote claimed to be from one UNICEF worker who does not say Chlorine isn't prohibited. Your link is to a notorious propaganda website called "Mideastfacts". Do you have anything more accurate and reliable?
Your other link appears to be written by someone called
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Colin Rowat
274 Vanderbilt Ave., #2
Brooklyn NY 11205
USA
Can you explain who Mr Rowat is and why you are so desperate to believe him? Is this just a kid who'se written an email on the internet that agrees with something you think? Do you seriously believe that qualifies as a "source"?
I'm afraid doing a frenzied 2 minute google search for anything to support your position isn't an accurate way of ascertaining facts.
So not only have you failed to support your claim that the UN sanctions prohibited importation of chlorine
You are still denying Chlorine was prohibited from importation into Iraq? Seriously?
You take the word of Ba'athist regime flunkies
Can you provide your evidence that the people operating water treatment plants are "regime flunkies"?
over the word of the UNICEF workers riding herd on delivery of chlorine
As I've shown your link (that doesn't work) is to a notorious propaganda site quoting a single UNICEF worker who doesn't say Chlorine isn't prohibited. You must do better.
since your previous posts indicate your uncritical acceptance of everything the Ba'athist regime proclaimed -- i.e. their claim they didn't gas their Kurds.
You're really scraping the bottom of the barrell now phred. Presumably you realise your argument regarding Chlorine is lost anbd need a diversion. I said nothing of the sort. I merely posted an article by a CIA analyst quoting reports from the US Defence Intelligence Agency.
(If you really wish to do so, rather than divert the thread away from your lost argument regarding Chlorine - please start another thread)
Edited by Alex213 (11/03/05 02:15 AM)
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: psiclops]
#4887263 - 11/03/05 08:34 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, Gasbutt, there will be huge fires, and horsemen and then you will be judged.
Hey psiplops are you a real christian loony?!
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: psiclops]
#4887271 - 11/03/05 08:37 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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The only crime the US Government has committed, regarding Hussein?
Not taking him donw long ago.
How about the crime of supporting him and looking the other way while he commited some of the crimes which will no doubt be brought up in his forthcoming trials?....while the scumpigs like Rumsfeld will shake their heads at the horror of the crimes even though they knew it was happening at the time.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: GazzBut]
#4887341 - 11/03/05 09:09 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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last i heard, supporting your allies and letting run their own internal affairs is the right thing to do... no crime there... those who committed the crimes will stand trial for those crimes, in accordance with Iraqi justice... under saddam's regime, saddam dictated what was legal and what wasn't in his own country... there is no crime in standing by and allowing a dictator to do whatever is legal in his own country, which in saddams case was whatever his people would permit...
a greater crime would be to allow such a dictator unrestricted access to world markets... the sanctions were meant to curtail saddam's ability to wage war against his neighbors, and in that respect, they were successful... their national treasury contained enough to feed and care for the people, or enough to wage war, but not enough for both... the decision to wage war is what killed those children, not the sanctions...
i would venture so far as to argue that had the sanctions never been in place, as many or more would have died not only of malnutrition and disease but also due to ethnic cleansing...
the whole 'sanctions killed the kids' argument hinges on the notion that had saddam had more money available, he could have saved the kids... but would he have done so? It seems to me that had saddam had more money, he would have stockpiled more weapons instead of taking care of his people...
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: MikeOLogical]
#4888308 - 11/03/05 01:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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their national treasury contained enough to feed and care for the people, or enough to wage war, but not enough for both
Nah, the sanctions disrupted the supply of all kinds of things from water treatment supplies to food to medicines. Even Saddam can't wage war with childrens medicines.
the decision to wage war is what killed those children, not the sanctions...
There were no sanctions after the Iran-Iraq war. 500,000 children didn't die. There were sanctions after the Kuwait invasion. 500,000 children subsequently died. You don't see a link there?
If the sanctions hadn't been in place do you believe so many children would have died?
i would venture so far as to argue that had the sanctions never been in place, as many or more would have died not only of malnutrition and disease but also due to ethnic cleansing...
We'd need a little evidence to back that up.
It seems to me that had saddam had more money, he would have stockpiled more weapons instead of taking care of his people...
History doesn't support that. In the 1970's Iraq had some of the highest living standards in the middle east. Saddam spent way more on education, infrastructure etc than he had to.
Incidentally it's pretty clear he wasn't spending money on WMD as he didn't have any.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Alex213]
#4888345 - 11/03/05 01:36 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex213 writes:
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You have provided one link (that doesn't work) with one quote claimed to be from one UNICEF worker who does not say Chlorine isn't prohibited. Your link is to a notorious propaganda website called "Mideastfacts". Do you have anything more accurate and reliable?
I provided several links, all of which were working at the time I first provided the same links to Alex123 last year. It appears that in the time since my original post, some of the links have gone bad. That happens on the Internet from time to time.
Here's a link to the same information which is still good. It may not be good a year and a half from now when a hypothetical Alex231 may make yet again the same bogus claim about chlorine importation to Iraq being banned by the UN sanctions, so rather than just provide the link, I will cut and paste the relevant information into this post. The readers can then check my cut and paste, check the original source at the link, and confirm for themselves my cut and paste is accurate. From http://www.nci.org/iraq/iraq-sancs-wp3301.htm --
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BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Sent here to make life better for Iraqi children, officials with the U.N. Children's Fund (UNICEF) have found themselves forced to play an unexpected role -- as de facto weapons monitors.
Under U.N. sanctions, UNICEF envoys must ensure that chlorine gas and other commodities arriving in Iraq are used for civilian purposes only. Critical to the supply of clean water but listed under sanctions rules as a "dual use" item with potential military applications, chlorine is tracked canister by canister by an agency more commonly identified with promoting vaccinations.
"We observe them all arrive; hard count every one; follow them to government warehouses, and then to end use," said Pierrette Vu Thi, the UNICEF program coordinator in Iraq. "We track every single cylinder."
I await your explanation of why you believe Pierrette Vu Thi of UNICEF is lying about tracking chlorine.
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Can you explain who Mr Rowat is
Since he posted to a website critical of the UN sanctions (one run by the organization "Campaign Against Sanctions in Iraq) I presumed he was not a fan of the sanctions. My presumption may be incorrect, of course. However, he references a UN document (specifically the September 4, 1997 "90 day report") and points out that paragraphs 19 and 37 of this report mention expected arrival of chlorine and protocols developed for tracking it in Iraq. Unfortunately (perhaps due to a reorganization of the UN's website) the link he provides us is no longer active. It was active at the time I first supplied his information in my 2004 post. Perhaps the UN finally got around to redesigning their notoriously hard to navigate site. About time. Still, that September 4, 1997 report issued by the UN Secretary-General is a matter of public record. You could find it if you wish. I had no difficulty finding it. But then again, I like to read what the actual source documents say. I understand you are not as keen on doing so -- that you prefer to rely on what "experts" claim is in the reports rather than expend the effort to read them yourself. To each his own.
As for Mr. Rowatt's claim he spoke with a member of UNMOVIC about chlorine purification, it appears either he actually did so or he made some damned accurate guesses about the situation, because the information he provides from that conversation --
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His explanation was that there is so much chlorine being imported into Iraq that
(i) it takes up one and a half staff people's time just to file the applications;
(ii) most of the sites receiving chlorine in Iraq (c. 900?) are then never inspected; and
(iii) the chlorine tracking protocol has never worked anyhow.
This dovetails with the other sources I provided, and even with at least one of the sources you provided -- the one claiming that chlorine levels leaving the pumping station are an extremely high 2.5 ppm. How can the chlorine levels be that high if Iraq had no chlorine, Alex213?
Any reasonable reader of Mr. Rowatt's contribution will conclude he wasn't pulling stuff out of his ass. Would that we could say the same for some posters to this forum.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Alex213]
#4888373 - 11/03/05 01:43 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex213 writes:
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There were no sanctions after the Iran-Iraq war. 500,000 children didn't die. There were sanctions after the Kuwait invasion. 500,000 children subsequently died. You don't see a link there?
As the statements of the people who actually collected and analyzed the data on infant mortality rates in Iraq have shown, that 500,000 number is an imaginary one. This fictional figure has been debunked probably a dozen times in this forum. As a matter of fact, it was debunked most recently in this very thread. Give it up.
Mike's contention that Iraq had enough money available to spend either on food and medical supplies or on military and golden palaces -- but not both -- is supported by the evidence unearthed since the resumption of hostilities in Iraq. The Oil for Food scandal, for example, shows that not only was Hussein diverting money to monuments, palaces,military personnel and gear, but also to his own bank accounts.
Give it up.
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Phred]
#4888413 - 11/03/05 01:50 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I await your explanation of why you believe Pierrette Vu Thi of UNICEF is lying about tracking chlorine
For the nth time, can you point out where Pierette says Chlorine imports arn't prohibited by sanctions?
Since he posted to a website critical of the UN sanctions
And this makes him reliable?
But then again, I like to read what the actual source documents say.
Then why do you post emails by complete unknowns like "Mr Rowat"?
How can the chlorine levels be that high if Iraq had no chlorine
When did anyone say Iraq had no chlorine? The point here as you will know is that the import of Chlorine to Iraq was prohibited.
Do you still deny the importation of Chlorine to Iraq was prohibited? Seriously?
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Phred]
#4888434 - 11/03/05 01:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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This fictional figure has been debunked probably a dozen times in this forum
Presumably like you've "debunked" Chomsky and like the Butler report says Wilson was a liar?
but not both -- is supported by the evidence unearthed since the resumption of hostilities in Iraq
Presumably you accept he wasn't spending the money on WMD as none were found?
The Oil for Food scandal, for example, shows that not only was Hussein diverting money to monuments, palaces,military personnel and gear, but also to his own bank accounts.
The director of the Oil for food program said many years ago that it was directly to blame for genocide in Iraq. Incidentally if you are so against the Oil for food program why have you spent years attacking Denis Haliday for pointing this out?
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Re: 500,000 iraqi children dead because of US sanctions. Albright: "The Price Is Worth It"... [Re: Alex213]
#4888557 - 11/03/05 02:30 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alex213 writes:
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For the nth time, can you point out where Pierette says Chlorine imports arn't prohibited by sanctions?
Try to follow this, Alex213 --
If the importation of chlorine was prohibited by the UN sanctions, why is a UN organization being made responsible for the tracking of imported chlorine? Clearly the importation of chlorine was not prohibited. It was just monitored closely.
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Then why do you post emails by complete unknowns like "Mr Rowat"?
Professor Colin Rowat is well known for his opposition to the UN sanctions. He was a co-ordinator for the organization CASI (Campaign against Sanctions in Iraq) His articles
How the Sanctions Hurt Iraq http://www.merip.org/mero/mero080201.html
Resolution Missed Chance to Build Trust http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/sanction/iraq1/iraq30.htm
Don't Trick or Treat Saddam http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/1999/msg00759.html
and others make that pretty clear. Hell, just take a look at this page from CASI's website http://www.casi.org.uk/events/past.html for a better idea of CASI's agenda. This guy is on your side, Alex213.
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Do you still deny the importation of Chlorine to Iraq was prohibited?
Do you still insist the importation of chlorine to Iraq was prohibited? Despite the statements of Rowat, Pierrette Vu Thi, the text of the September 4, 1997 UN Secretary General's 90 day report?
I'll let the readers of this thread draw their own conclusions from your intransigent, fingers-in-ears eyes-tightly-squeezed-shut stance.
Clearly you prefer the fact-free life.
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