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 Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread  [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#4859556 - 10/27/05 04:31 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I agree.
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 Cervantes
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: geokills]
#4862149 - 10/28/05 02:31 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you for your reply, geo. I think we see the rules eye to eye... I'd also make the Notify Mod guideline/rule a sticky, for all to see... 'cause not ALL n00bs read the rules before posting, and if ANYTHING prevents future drama, it will be good use of the button.
So TWO things people can't do in here:
They can't say, "You suck"... FLAMING
or...
"Your religion SUCKS"... FLAMING SOMEONE'S IDEA OR BELIEFS
This leaves room for asking questions, without getting banned. 
Cool.
I TRUST these three Mods to interpret THOSE rules. They're more than up to the task. AS LONG AS THEY ONLY ACT ON VISIBLE RULE-BREAKINGS, and NOT IMAGINED CRIMES, WHICH NOBODY BUT SOME MODS, CAN SEE.
If my understanding of the rules is correct, they get my approval... although I'd tighten up the wording of rule 3, so people understand not to FLAME an IDEA or BELIEFS. That is SIMPLE to do, and SIMPLE to Moderate.
Do I understand correctly?
If I do, please...
Imagine the follow-up question I would ask about He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named... and why he isn't here. I know... redecorating can be better without him, but this place is ALMOST redecorated... so? 
Also, adding a Mod with no Public You-Know-Who bias... would make people, like me, feel better about posting in here, w/o needing to look over our shoulder, for Mind-Reading Mods.
Thanks again, this is looking great!
*edit: One note on rule #1... condescending remarks are NOT easily Moderated... and they aren't ALWAYS flames. Often condescension is missed entirely... and even MORE often, innocent comments are mistaken for condescension. Please strike that particular word from rule 1.
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I know you think you understand the words I have just said to you but, what you fail to realize is, what you thought I said is not what I actually meant by saying what I said, when I said it.
Edited by Cervantes (10/28/05 02:40 AM)
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Cervantes
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: geokills]
#4865581 - 10/29/05 01:00 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow, just thought I'd mention, in the last two days, I have been sent two unprovoked PM's by two different Mods of this forum.
In the first, I was accused of saying something for reasons other than why I said what I did. I was accused of referencing something which happened, while my PC was down, I couldn't log in... and on top of THAT, the thread in question was DUMPED before I ever saw it. I had no way of KNOWING what happened.
To this day, I don't know what the Mod in question thought I had insinuated... I missed THAT WHOLE DAY'S WORTH OF DRAMA! My comment was innocent.
I used this PM as evidence that once again, Mods can't read my mind.
The second letter from another Mod said basically in its first line, "Most of Cerv's points, in this thread are completely baseless."
I can only assume this is in reference to the FACT that You-Know-Who has broken fewer rules than the Mods who banned him, and I keep saying it. I assume this is the case, because ALMOST ALL MY OTHER POINTS HAVE RECEIVED ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. 
And, FYI, this You-Know-Who info is EASILY VIEWED BY THE PUBLIC. I'd go into details, but we AREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT IN THIS THREAD. So, instead, I suggest the Search function... yet again.
Meanwhile, I'm just patiently waiting for a Mod of this Forum to actually PARTICIPATE in THIS THREAD... instead of practicing Duck 'n Cover drills... and keeping their comments private.
So, keep the PM's coming guys, but please, don't forget, the people in THIS FORUM, YOUR FORUM, are waiting to see what you have to say.
I don't trust any of you to read minds.
You have a poor track record. The public can easily view it.
However, I do trust you all to follow the NO FLAMING rule, and the DON'T FLAME ANOTHER PERSON'S IDEAS rule. Those rules will make for a sweet new forum.
What I can't believe is how hard you all are trying to look the other way, when it has been PROVEN you three have REPEATEDLY Moderated with BIAS in the past, even though no rules were broken... and UNLESS YOU STOP, this horseshit drama will keep happening every 4, or so, months... or whenever you lot feel like reading minds again.
I am not lying, you have all admitted bias, and broken your own rules repeatedly. I haven't dug up the quotes, 'cause I'm nice... but don't expect me to forget what you've done. Not while you are trying to give yourselves power to read minds in THIS forum too!
IF I WANTED TO MAKE THIS PERSONAL, I would've discussed things OUTSIDE the scope of this forum. I have not. I'm just saying what I believe is true to make this new forum WORK. Your lack of public response is odd. I am not flaming at the mouth, angry.
I'm not trying to drag y'all through the mud, I'm trying to get y'all to fix the LAST BIG PROBLEM you have left to fix.
Wake up.
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Ythan said:
I write this post as the founding member of the Shroomery and its most senior administrator, to proclaim my intention upon starting the site, and to help guide future decisions affecting its members. This should not be read as an official policy, rather it simply represents my personal goals and wishes when it comes to running the site. It is my greatest desire that the Shroomery remain a haven for free speech and differing ideologies, including those generally deemed offensive and detestable, as long as such speech is not illegal, expresses a genuine belief or opinion, and is not an obvious attempt to generate discord or disrupt the community (aka 'trolling'). I contend that it is the duty of the administration to extend equal rights and privileges to all members (including disliked and controversial ones), and to ensure that site guidelines are enforced fairly and without prejudice due to an individual's beliefs. The administration should make reasonable accommodations for those with controversial viewpoints, including equal access to the site's resources and a public forum to express their opinions. Under no circumstances should disciplinary or punitive action be based on what could be considered moral judgment, only on specific infractions spelled out in advance. These principles should take priority over all others, especially offering a 'friendly', 'non-threatening' or 'non-controversial' atmosphere. I propose that the freedom we provide is the site's most unique and valuable aspect, and it should be a top priority of the administration to safeguard said freedom. Finally, it is not my intention for people to over-analyze this statement, 'read between the lines' or twist my quotes to support any position beyond the one specifically outlined within: questions of free speech on the Shroomery should not be decided on moral grounds.
-Ythan
10/28/05
This forum is almost ready for prime time.
Dear Prudence... won't you come out to play?
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I know you think you understand the words I have just said to you but, what you fail to realize is, what you thought I said is not what I actually meant by saying what I said, when I said it.
Edited by Cervantes (10/29/05 01:49 AM)
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4866533 - 10/29/05 11:03 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gee Cerv. You're lucky.  The mods don't seem to want to answer my PMs hardly at all lately.  I PMed a bunch of em. (one did respond)
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― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4867519 - 10/29/05 05:55 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cervantes, do you think you are helping the forum by torching its moderators with vague insinuations?
Then you vaguely insinuate thingsa abouth You Know Who who is Not To Be Talked About yet you talk about it just to squeeze in how wrong the moderators are.
Biased, flawed, underhanded tactics, poor track record, did I leave anything out Cervantes?
You're not exactly being constructive here, Cervantes, in fact i feel you're stepping up the drama.
The rules are partially subjective. Subjectivity means that they can be interpreted to mean something you don't want it to mean. Sorry, thast happens. But it seems you have no trust in the ability of the moderators involved. In that case there is nothing we can do because it all will be wrong according to you anyway.
If you want us to step down from this forum write an admin, if you want things changed while retaining the current moderators then be very clear in what you want. No insinuation or emotionplay but give us cast in stone examples of what you feel is wrong and what should be done with it.
The banning of The One Who Cannot Be Talked About is irreversible as things are now so there is no point in lobbying for his return.
If you feel the banning was unjust then contact the management and work with them. Doing it in public only adds to the drama.
I know you're meaning well but you're getting carried away at least as far as you think we are.
Let's discuss this forum.
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#4868237 - 10/29/05 10:09 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am asking the Mods to address their public bias... by ADDRESSING MY CONCERNS... is all.
If you DON'T think BIAS is a BIG part of THIS FORUM'S PROBLEM, you've been ignoring A LOT OF POSTS. So, when I discuss you three Mods, and your Public Bias, you better believe I AM discussing this Forum. Please DON'T suggest otherwise, again.
The crux is, you three are SO SENSITIVE, any comment I make about your Public bias, will be considered, "Torching" (What is that? An invisible flame?). All three of you have admitted bias towards the one person you permabanned for breaking no rule. I am being HONEST when I say you three are publicly biased. Don't suggest I am being a drama magnet, by actually addressing the things YOU THREE MUST FIX, here in this suggestion thread... the PROPER place for such posts.
If I don't mention it, how can I expect you to address it?
Address the issue, and I will stop mentioning it.
IF YOU WILL NOT, AS A GROUP, RECONSIDER LIFTING A PERMA-BAN OF SOMEONE, WHO BROKE NO RULE IN THE HISTORY OF THIS FORUM, AND WAS BANNED BY THREE MODS, ALL OF WHOM HAVE ADMITTED PUBLICLY, THEIR BIAS TOWARDS HIM... HOW ARE WE, THE PUBLIC, SUPPOSED TO REACT?
With respect?
HA!
Did you even read Ythan's quote?
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Edited by Cervantes (10/29/05 10:27 PM)
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4868843 - 10/30/05 01:27 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Keep posting in here. I like reading them.
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4869106 - 10/30/05 01:47 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cerv,
If someone has spent much time and effort in S&P debunking beliefs ideas and experiences of a religious, mystical and paranormal nature could they be considered to actually have any respect for those beliefs ideas and experiences of others?
If they have repeatedly professed that they have no respect for those things, could it be considered that ANY post put up in here by such a person is breaking the respect of others beliefs rule by that default alone?
What possible valid or sincere reason would there be for a skeptic debunker of the mystical, religious and paranormal who thinks its ALL Bullshit to post in here?
Maybe for the challenge to see if one can push the rules and still get away with what one loves to do?
When this was still a spirituality forum and some people defined spirituality to be a life practice that does not recognize spirit maybe one could wiggle a valid reason in. I've never heard of a spiritual practice or spiritual philosophy that doesn't recognize spirit. Sort of an oxymoron if you ask me.
Remember that the spirituality aspect got moved back to the philosophy forum. That old argument became mute now.
The old S&P is back with two new mods to increase vigilance and balance. People looking to get to some objective truth with logic, negation, rationalism, Occam's razor, debate, scientific evidence etc have a forum where they are free and encouraged to do that.
People who appreciate , and want the works of skeptic debunker's can take their stuff to S&P for it. Nothing is lost.
Besides, I thought mods could only give 24 hr bans and that it is only the admins who can give longer bans or perma bans.
Shouldn't you be asking the admins these questions and not the mods?
Maybe thats why the mods feel like you are torching them. They can't help you solve that problem.
Sure you say that in all fairness everyone should be allowed in all forums. Fair can become a fucked up word. If someone punches me in the face, it's only fair if I punch him back. People use the word like it's always a good thing for bringing about the most constructive and mature results. It's not.
Consider this. If someone thought drug use was dumb and dangerous and didn't use them, and they posted in ODD daily, um, wouldn't that raise a red flag regarding their intentions for being in there? How would the ODD members feel about that daily annoying presense when they go to share info and experience etc about other drugs with other drug users?
This thread was created to discuss the forum. The mods can not give forum perma bans and you know that. They can't help you with your problem to get perma banned members back in.
Why do you want professed skeptic debunker's of the mystical, paranormal and religious to come in here knowing what the intention of this forum is for?
Do you like reading through the conflict, chaos and drama? Do you like watching people be criticized? Is it entertaining for you? Does that free entertainment come at the expense of members who put up sincere posts here? Why should they pay for the entertainment of others here? What's the point of the forum if it is left for posters to become discouraged from posting and leave?
Not everyone is looking for a fight. Those that are can go to S&P.
It's weird that some people see this as the non freedom of speech forum. I see it as being the freest one related to the subject matter in that the discouragement of freely speaking your MR&P ideas, experiences and beliefs isn't allowed. Where an oppressive force acts through discouragement and intimidation is where you have people feeling repressed from freely speaking. If opression through the acts of discouragment and intimidation is not allowed then you have a freer place to speak what on your mind and in your heart.
All food for thought is all this is by anyone who cares to consider any of it.
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: MOTH]
#4869222 - 10/30/05 02:28 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Mysh!
It's not easy bein' green.
Enjoying your new freedom?
p.s. To think! Icelander and Jiggy both jumped back into THIS discussion on the SAME day.
Someone take a photo!
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I know you think you understand the words I have just said to you but, what you fail to realize is, what you thought I said is not what I actually meant by saying what I said, when I said it.
Edited by Cervantes (10/30/05 04:18 AM)
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4870229 - 10/30/05 12:58 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Enjoying your new freedom?
YES. Being a mod was cramping my style.
I got annoyed whenever I was about to write a zingy post and then had to stop because, "I'm a mod and mods have an appearence to uphold for the site."
Blah...plus babysitting internet people is a futile exercise.
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4870532 - 10/30/05 02:22 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is there a rule that says I can't put a reply up in a thread the same day another member does?  I don't know where you've been but I post at the shroomery almost daily. Look at my post stats for where and do the math at my post count and time here as to how often on average per day. I've also been posting in pretty much every thread related to the split and new forum forums. The stats explain why I have grown to care about these forums and have a perspective of my own to add.
I took a look at your post stats and in two years you have started just 4 posts in S&P and have 348 replies. Most of your interest in these forums started after the last swama. And your main objective with it has been clear to defend one person. I don't know how much you truly care about these two forums because your stats show, you were never really much of an active member until the last swama and your particpation has been pretty related to just that.
My main objective is to help point out how the debaters felt uncomfortable to post and reply not knowing who's toes would get stepped on and how far they could push the art of debate without offending and non debaters felt uncomfortable posting because they didn't want to be engaged in an offensive debate.
I've been working at this to see a positive improvement for all best it can be accomplished. Debaters have a right to engage in philosophical debate and others have a right to not be engaged into them or feel they have to come to a spiritual oriented forum with their feelings shut down and on guard.
Looks like the objective has been accomplished pretty well by the mods and admins. The old S&P is back with debate encouraged and protected and this forum allows for one to post freely without concern of having to be on guard for being sucked in to offensive debate.
I don't understand why you are pushing to make it so any members who have clearly shown a complete disrespect for the nature of this forum to be able to come here when they have S&P. That can only serve to cause more drama and I thought you said that your second objective was to ease the drama.
I see you working hard to defend the rights for people to shut down, go on the attack and tear down, with no regard for the rights of those who want to open up, connect and construct.
When I see you get lop sided and present one side of the issue then yes, you may see me come in a present the other side to keep the view of the BIG full picture in frame.
I don't know if you ever considered that mods suited for a spirituality forum (have experience with the intangible nature of spirit) have been wanting to look out for other members who do as well and can understand how they feel when their intangible beliefs ideas and experiences get attacked, ridiculed and bashed. They aren't robots and can feel for others as themselves.
Your "sensitive remark" to Wiccan clearly shows that you have no understanding of "the sensitive". News flash; the world is filled with sensitive to hyper sensitive people. It's nobodies job to "toughen them up". I have researched it for years and have a hyper sensitive daughter, and any act to toughen them up is damaging and the cause of what will turn them into insensitive abusive people.
Any attempt may throw them into withdraw, mistrust and eventually depression and or drug or alcohol abuse to ease and escape from the pain of "feeling" the hate and cruelty in this world.
Thats a completely different consideration from the one where some people went to far and want help getting a grip and grounding. They can get that sort of help in S&P.
However, often, those who went to far are typically natural born sensitives to hyper sensitives who went to far to escape the pain, hate and cruelty of this world in the first place.
Either way, a forum where people can experience a little more love , kindness and 'feel good" and connect with other sensitives who can relate to them is a good thing. That can help to bring some back as well. Many people live in abusive environments off the net. It can help them to know that the whole world isn't out to abuse them and that there are places for them to feel okay and safe to be who they are. Then, they have a chance to build some confidence and self esteem back up.
The saddest part that many who are more known for being abusive to others here were abused themselves by insensitive intimidating parents who were by theirs and the chain goes on.
They come here thinking they found the cure for the cause. They teach people to just shut down the feeling center, go on guard and trust no one. Kill or be killed is the motto of the warped version of reality they were raised and bred in.
That's a BAND AID. The cure for the cause is to heal the chain of abuse. We are feeling beings by nature and to deny and shut off that vital aspect of the whole being is not healthy.
You've made it clear that you don't give a damn to help heal any of it and want to keep the chain going. Joe hits Bob so Bob kicks Jake, Jake starts crying, so Joe hits Bob for kicking Jake and the cycle repeats.
I'd rather see this forum close then have it become the appearance of a safe place to open up and see people get caught off guard and abused. Thats worse then S&P that at least gives fair warning to put your guard up. Is there any chance this forum can stay and get the chance to thrive as a healthy constructive environment to be in?
I realized weeks ago, my replies to you in these threads fall on deaf ears. I put them out for anyone who cares to get other perspectives on the issue at hand. I put them up because I think if enough people care to make it such a place, there is a chance it can become one.
 
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Is there a rule that says I can't put a reply up in a thread the same day another member does?
No.
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gettinjiggywithit said: I don't know where you've been but I post at the shroomery almost daily. Look at my post stats for where and do the math at my post count and time here as to how often on average per day. I've also been posting in pretty much every thread related to the split and new forum forums. The stats explain why I have grown to care about these forums and have a perspective of my own to add.
I made a JOKE. Both you and Ice SWORE to never jump back into THIS PARTICULAR conversation, again. Yet you BOTH did, on the SAME day.
Does it matter that I'm the only one who finds that funny?
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gettinjiggywithit said:
I took a look at your post stats and in two years you have started just 4 posts in S&P and have 348 replies.
I'm impressed with your ability to click links, count, and post your findings.
I READ a LOT more than I post. And as a Mod, I did not have MUCH time to spend writing LONG posts in here. But I did read it like a hawk. The folks in the Mod Forum know it well, although I did not share as much as I'd like with the Public.
LONG time members of this forum have been rating me frequently for the last year. It is fair to say I have been here in S&P every time things became serious enough to pull me away from my other Moderation duties.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Most of your interest in these forums started after the last swama. And your main objective with it has been clear to defend one person. I don't know how much you truly care about these two forums because your stats show, you were never really much of an active member until the last swama and your participation has been pretty related to just that
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How little you know n00b.
My interest in this forum started after the FIRST Swama.
The Search feature will also, confirm this... as will Paradigm, Phluck,. Wiccan, Swami, Trendal, Ripple, Shirley_Knott, Fireworks_God, geokills... etc
You did SOME research kiddo, but not enough.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
My main objective is to help point out how the debaters felt uncomfortable to post and reply not knowing who's toes would get stepped on and how far they could push the art of debate without offending and non debaters felt uncomfortable posting because they didn't want to be engaged in an offensive debate.
FIGURE THIS OUT:
If you don't want to debate, DON'T DEBATE.
It is not MY responsibility, nor the responsibility of the Staff, to keep you from debating. It is yours and yours, alone.
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I've been working at this to see a positive improvement for all best it can be accomplished. Debaters have a right to engage in philosophical debate and others have a right to not be engaged into them or feel they have to come to a spiritual oriented forum with their feelings shut down and on guard.
Positivity begets positivity.
Be positive, and you will be rewarded in kind... as will the community.
And if you think someone else, me for example, is negative, CHANGE YOUR OPINION. It is the SIMPLEST way to solve said problem.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Looks like the objective has been accomplished pretty well by the mods and admins. The old S&P is back with debate encouraged and protected and this forum allows for one to post freely without concern of having to be on guard for being sucked in to offensive debate.
Again, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
I have kept my opinions confined within the proper (and oft' dumped) threads. Don''t find fault in someone following the GUIDELINES of this thread, as set by a Moderator.
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I don't understand why you are pushing to make it so any members who have clearly shown a complete disrespect for the nature of this forum to be able to come here when they have S&P. That can only serve to cause more drama and I thought you said that your second objective was to ease the drama.
Oh, so we must show RESPECT?
To whom?
Biased Mods?
THAT IS NOT A RULE. It will not likely happen. It is hard to please EVERYBODY... and so on...
Addressing the PROBLEMS OF THIS FORUM, is not provoking drama... not as much as your filibuster posts, which offer little by way of suggestions, and plenty of mind reading, passive aggressive personal digs, and have more to do with blaming me fore ALL this forum's troubles, than with the topic at hand.
I've addressed every issue in your last post, and I have been TRYING to find ways to work my response BACK TOWARDS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD.
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I see you working hard to defend the rights for people to shut down, go on the attack and tear down, with no regard for the rights of those who want to open up, connect and construct.
Then perhaps you should read my signature. It was written for the likes of you.
Continued in the next post... too many quotes JIGGY!
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Edited by Cervantes (10/31/05 03:42 AM)
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4873736 - 10/31/05 03:05 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Continued from previous post... sigh...
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gettinjiggywithit said:
When I see you get lop sided and present one side of the issue then yes, you may see me come in a present the other side to keep the view of the BIG full picture in frame.
The reason my opinion is LOPSIDED, and only presents ONE SIDE oh literate one, is because I ONLY HAVE ONE OPINION on this matter. At least it is MY opinion.
FEW IN THIS PARTICULAR THREAD, HAVE ADDRESSED THE OTHER SIDE.
I'm NOT going to offer BOTH SIDES. I only occupy ONE SIDE. The people who DISAGREE WITH ME take the OTHER SIDE. And so far... FEW OF THEM HAVE SPOKEN UP, IN THIS THREAD. If THEY exist, they should REPLY to BALANCE THE ARGUMENT. QUICK! Before jiggy gets mad at me for not arguing FOR THEM!
Trust me, you don't want me arguing THE OTHER SIDE!
It is called the OTHER side, because OTHERS argue it.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
I don't know if you ever considered that mods suited for a spirituality forum (have experience with the intangible nature of spirit) have been wanting to look out for other members who do as well and can understand how they feel when their intangible beliefs ideas and experiences get attacked, ridiculed and bashed. They aren't robots and can feel for others as themselves.
Thank YOU for the lesson in Moderation.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Your "sensitive remark" to Wiccan clearly shows that you have no understanding of "the sensitive". News flash; the world is filled with sensitive to hyper sensitive people. It's nobodies job to "toughen them up". I have researched it for years and have a hyper sensitive daughter, and any act to toughen them up is damaging and the cause of what will turn them into insensitive abusive people.
Actually it shows this:
I am aware Wiccan can become SO passionate he can miss the forest for the trees. I am ALSO aware, Wiccan himself is aware of this. In fact, on MANY occasions we have laughed because we SHARE THIS QUALITY... and usually but not always, we fall on the SAME SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT.
I KNOW Wiccan, and he KNOWS how argumentative I am.
This is not the first time we've disagreed. We are BOTH able to change our minds, and opinions, after discussing things in detail.
When we disagree, the truth we crave often lies between our opinions. I have LONG used Wiccan as a barometer for my thoughts, as he has done with me.
We are BOTH writers, and we BOTH are on the same path, learning how to communicate BETTER then we did, the day before.
Wiccan is one of my favorite people here. Keep that in mind when I say he is biased towards Swami.
I do not overlook all of Wiccan's great qualities, this is simply NOT THE PLACE TO DISCUSS THEM.
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Any attempt may throw them into withdraw, mistrust and eventually depression and or drug or alcohol abuse to ease and escape from the pain of "feeling" the hate and cruelty in this world.
If THAT is true, they should not be Moderators.
However, I believe these three have bigger balls than that.
They're just biased towards ONE MEMBER. If they fix that, they will re-establish TRUST in most, if not all, of this community.
This is really SIMPLE to fix, in my eyes.
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Thats a completely different consideration from the one where some people went to far and want help getting a grip and grounding. They can get that sort of help in S&P.
However, often, those who went to far are typically natural born sensitives to hyper sensitives who went to far to escape the pain, hate and cruelty of this world in the first place.
Lost me on that last paragraph.
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Either way, a forum where people can experience a little more love , kindness and 'feel good" and connect with other sensitives who can relate to them is a good thing. That can help to bring some back as well. Many people live in abusive environments off the net. It can help them to know that the whole world isn't out to abuse them and that there are places for them to feel okay and safe to be who they are. Then, they have a chance to build some confidence and self esteem back up.
I agree, this is why we have The Pub.
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The saddest part that many who are more known for being abusive to others here were abused themselves by insensitive intimidating parents who were by theirs and the chain goes on.
Lost me again...
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They come here thinking they found the cure for the cause. They teach people to just shut down the feeling center, go on guard and trust no one. Kill or be killed is the motto of the warped version of reality they were raised and bred in.
I'm still lost, but I assure you, both Wiccan and I are connected to our emotions.
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That's a BAND AID. The cure for the cause is to heal the chain of abuse. We are feeling beings by nature and to deny and shut off that vital aspect of the whole being is not healthy.
Still lost...
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You've made it clear that you don't give a damn to help heal any of it and want to keep the chain going.
Bullshit.
Read the Sig, then actually READ my posts. You are way off the mark, kiddo.
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Joe hits Bob so Bob kicks Jake, Jake starts crying, so Joe hits Bob for kicking Jake and the cycle repeats.
Yes, but "Joe" is a Mod, and sworn not to hit defenseless "Bob"
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I'd rather see this forum close then have it become the appearance of a safe place to open up and see people get caught off guard and abused. Thats worse then S&P that at least gives fair warning to put your guard up. Is there any chance this forum can stay and get the chance to thrive as a healthy constructive environment to be in?
Yes, as long as people like you keep posting in it.
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I realized weeks ago, my replies to you in these threads fall on deaf ears. I put them out for anyone who cares to get other perspectives on the issue at hand. I put them up because I think if enough people care to make it such a place, there is a chance it can become one.
What, deaf ears?
The reason I don't reply to ALL your posts line by line, is they are usually FAR off the mark, and I don't like having to address such posts, in such a sensitive forum.
Also, you strayed from the topic of THIS thread for 2/3 of your rant. I try to stay closer to the subject matter when I write such lengthy posts. But you apparently think THAT is precisely when I am attacking the defensive.
You can only OFFEND the DEFENSIVE... because they're DEFENSIVE.
They must decide when to stop taking OFFENSE... or ALL my posts will appear offensive to them.
I can't help how you REACT to what I write... and I don't have to respond to your thoughts EVERY time you react to me.
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4875349 - 10/31/05 03:46 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Cerv, I'm not anywhere near getting mad with anyone over any discussion here. If you mean "mad " as in crazy not understanding why you don't understand the type of forum people were looking to be created and WHY, hmmm I could be on the verge of that sort of mad-crazy . 
You didn't answer the most important question of all. If the old S&P is back, and more free then ever to engage in Spiritual debate and scrutiny now that those who don't prefer that style have a place to post, why would someone out to debunk it all WANT to post in here?
Don't turn it around that people can walk away from debate. Yes they can walk away from it in P&S and come here to be free from it. If it's brought into here as well, then people who want to discuss this stuff have no where to go but leave the shroomery. Not good for maximizing volumes and vendor sales.
Do you think it's ironic that you say mods have a bias against one member all the while you have a bias against 3 people for simply understanding that and in the process show a bias for one member against dozens that wanted a debunking free forum to discuss the inexplicable by science (paranormal) intangible mysterious realms of spirits workings (mysticism) and Religion , which is all faith based or faith based on experience only.
You may argue that mods can't show a bias and members can. True. Have you considered that it is not a bias for one or a few members they are showing but rather are making decisions that protect those who come here with a sincere wish to explore these areas without the bias of negation and debunking?
If any bias is shown by them, it's towards and in favor of the forums intention and those who have a sincere intention to use it positively and constructively, to share with others their positive interest or positive affirmation of these areas.
Anyone who has expressed a clear disbelief and negativity towards these subject matters can only serve as a disruptive force here.
I think it is normal to expect the mods to show a favorable bias towards protecting the integrity of the forum intention. If that means, some members who wish to cause disruption get singled out, that is to be expected in the job of modding. If you want to call them on bias because you enjoy disruption within a group that asked for peace and harmony, then you too are being biased towards a group of shroomery members yourself.
I know you were a good mod cerv from reading around. I just think you don't understand "other" reasons for why some come to such a forum.
I didn't just get out of HS myself.
I'm 37. I've managed many real life departments of people, started up my own multi million dollar business and managed people profitably, and am a parent experienced with managing children, which some members act like at times.
My first question which I asked again is important to examine and answer here cerv,
One of them said why he wants to come in here in the rules discussion thread. He said that he doesn't want people to join suicide cults. What kind of assumption is that? Same member who is so concerned to keep people from committing suicide, never replied to a suicide post in S&P or the mental health forum to help them out. And they go up frequently. However, the "delusional" people do respond to help in suicide posts here.
His noble stated intention for wanting to post in here was nothing but a smokescreen. The proof is in his actions and I never saw him once give a damn about someone posting with a gun to their head ready to pull the trigger.
My apologies for saying I didn't think you read and followed S&P, yet even still, if you missed that, and missed how people get sucked into debates with clever trolling and use of ad homonyms and get all defensive and end up getting banned themselves or leave for good after realizing how hostile the environment in S&P could be for some, then, I'm filling you in on what you missed taking note of.
This isn't about me cerv, I was in the thick of S&P daily for over a year and never left. I grew up with all that shit worse then what a member can dish out. Child's play for me. But not for some, who grew up in respectful, considerate, harmonious and gentle environments. Again, it's nobodies job to "toughen them up" so they can hang there.
People used that as an excuse to get away with flat out bullying and intimidation and being territorial so they could rule a forum. Allow it P&S if it must be that way somewhere here, but can you let the mods keep this forum free from it?
I don't know who I would trust to recognize the pattern besides Wiccan and MAIA or Jacques Cousteau who it looks like left. 
If the spirituality header was moved back to the philosophy forum, why is this an issue anymore? If I did say I wouldn't post in this thread again, it was back when the spirituality header was still here. That has changed now and wiccans ability to judge what is and is not spiritual has become a mute point and this has all become mute argument.
The spirituality header was moved out of here and you got your old S&P back with two new mods. Anyone you wish to defend already has a place to do just what you are fighting for them to be free to do. No need to bring it into here as well.
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Happy Halloween!
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#4912097 - 11/09/05 02:11 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So... what's the State of the Union?
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4912778 - 11/09/05 11:07 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Business as usual, except for one mod.
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Cervantes]
#4933072 - 11/14/05 05:53 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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So... what's the State of the Union?
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Icelander]
#4934048 - 11/14/05 09:29 PM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Business as usual.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
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Re: The designated talk-about-the-forum thread [Re: Icelander]
#4935343 - 11/15/05 01:45 AM (7 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then, why is this thread still pinned?
Can we get a final update, Mods?
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