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#4620809 - 09/04/05 11:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I received my poo yesterday, and some of my jars are nearing colonization. So, I figured it was time to get my fruiting area prepped.

After some discussion with my wife...I was approved a closet for my endeavor. I was not going with a full blown humidity controlled closet. But instead I've decided to use several rubbermaid tubs with perlite.

For those who have not kept up with my posts here, I will be spawning 12 half pint golden teacher brf/quinoa cakes to 10 lbs. of h/poo. That may be a little too many cakes for that amount of poo. I believe that scatmanrav had advised approx. 8 cakes spawned to the 10 lbs. of poo. But I suspect I may be losing a jar to gray mold. Not sure yet, though.

After my loooong cake colonization period I may go for using all the jars I have to expedite the poo colonization.

I will be using 3-4 inches of poo/cake substrate and casing it w/peat and verm.

You will notice two tubs on the bottom and one long tub on a modified shelf above it. I have put to use a couple of drop lights that I already owned. The upper tub is clear on the sides but I will be covering it... probably with a dark trashbag.

The whole closet was disinfected and plastic sheeting put on the floor covering the old carpet. In the top of the closet you'll notice a hepa air purifier that will be running 24/7... unless you vets feel it is not needed???

For air exchage I will be doing manual fanning and may place some holes an inch or two above the perlite stuffed w/polyfill, also if advised by the vets???

Somewhere along the line I lost the lids to those two bottom tubs and will probably just use clear plastic sheeting as a lid secured with elastic bands on all 3 tubs.

Also in each of these tubs I will be duct taping a 5" long piece of half inch pvc pipe in the corner that will go all the way to the bottom of the tub. You may notice in the left side of this pic a thin piece of bamboo stick. I will be using it in conjunction with the pvc as a "dipstick" to track the water level in my perlite.

Anyway I think that's about it. If anyone has answers to the questions I asked, or any advice to give or questions of their own...it would be much appreciated.

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#4620896 - 09/04/05 11:44 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I agree, less heat and more blue in the light. 6-8 cakes per 10 pounds will be fine. Everything else is looking good.

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#4621101 - 09/05/05 12:46 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks guys.

I believe i can find flourecents that can fit regular sockets for those drop lights, so I will switch to them.

As you may have noticed I have 2 trays per tub. Which comes to 1 and two thirds lbs of poo for each of the 6 trays... with 1 and one third cakes per tray. This will leave me with 4 cakes to fruit the dunk and roll method.

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How long should this poo colonization approx. take???

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Should I run my hepa air purifier 24/7 in that closet???

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Should I place some holes in the tubs a couple of inches above the perlite and stuff with polyfill???

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#4621283 - 09/05/05 02:09 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

looking good. i have to get my shit setup soon.

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#4621994 - 09/05/05 11:36 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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#4622033 - 09/05/05 12:02 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

1.) it will take about a week for the poo to thouroughly colonize. maybe less maybe more.

2.) it wouldn't hurt

3.) would definietely help rid your fc of co2

now i see you were saying something about using a bamboo stick to track the water in the perlite. there is no need to leave the perlite in standing water (unless its a pmp). the perlite will give you a better humidity if you just soak it, drain it and use it. surface area is the key here, the perlite holds water on its surface in micropores allowing evap to occur at a much greater rate than if it were left soaking in water.

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#4637693 - 09/09/05 02:04 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, here's my closet update.

1. I have purchased and switched the regular bulbs to 15w fluorescents.
2. I have purchased a new hepa filter to go in my purifier.
3. I have purchased extra perlite for humidity in the 4 tubs (3 cased/1 cakes) and some peat for casing.
4. I have purchased elastic to hold my plastic sheetic covers in place.
5. I have drilled holes in the tubs and stuffed with polyfill for FAE.
6. I have duct taped the outside of my casing trays to eliminate sunlight to my substrate.
7. I have drilled holes in my casing trays above the casing line for co2 draining.
8. I have cut and fit plastic over tubs to keep in humidity and allow light.

P.S. The large clear tub that can be seen in the very first opening post pic, will be used to fruit 4 cakes separately from the 3 tubs you now see here. simply not enough room in that closet for that big ass tub.

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#4637707 - 09/09/05 02:11 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Bamaman's going all in! Looking good to me! I'd rate you, but I already have.

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#4637734 - 09/09/05 02:20 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Looks pretty good, got any powdered oyster shells to buffer that peat moss? I'd suggest it..

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#4637743 - 09/09/05 02:21 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

As of now....

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#4637759 - 09/09/05 02:27 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Wow. I must say, thats a pretty impressive setup. :smile:

I'm sure it was well worth that whining. lol.

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#4637762 - 09/09/05 02:28 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

scatman, are you familiar with Diatomaceous Earth?

http://www.hydromall.com/happy_grower16.html

We have quite a bit of it for pest control. I believe it is simply crushed shells, ground to the consistency of talc powder.

what do you think, and explain the buffer scenario...how, why, etc... i have heard it mentioned but didn't pay much attention because i didn't think i needed it.

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#4637842 - 09/09/05 02:51 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

OK..I dont think DE will work as a buffer, but I'm not sure..Food grade DE though could make a good additive to the casing layer or substrate, for airyness, and water holding ability. Is it a source of calcium? If so, then I think it might buffer too. Watch for non foodgrade..I cant remember why, I think it was slug attractant that is put in it or something that is bad. Theres a thread in the Advance Mycology board though, by agar..probably on page 1-4, take a look for it for more info on DE.

As to buffers, peat moss comes acidic and myc needs a more neutral pH to do well. When the pH drops to low, the myc wont fruit, and besides that, molds like green (the most common and easiest to get) LOVE acidic environments, and hate the more neutral environment that cubies love. So, if you make the pH neutral, mycelium thrives, and green mold (and alot of others) dont. The substrate should be neutral (unless adding coffee grounds or something to throw it off) but the casing layer is more important anyway, I think because thats where the fruits form and pH hurts that.

So anyway, there are two forms of buffering, short term and long term..short term is hydrated lime, water soluable so disolves instantly into the peat and raising the pH quickly. With this stuff you can easily make the casing mix way to base and burn the myc with it..a little can be used with peat, however I have never used it, and woulnt without a pH meter.

Then theres long term buffer, a form of limestone or calcium (calcium carbonate, chalk (not the blackboard kind), oystershells, ect) which is not soluable in water. None of these are, except HYDRATED lime..the rest do not disolve, and do not react untill exposed to acidicness. So from the start, the acidic water of the peat water starts it getting to neutral, and then mycelium excretes acidic wastes, dropping the pH more all the time. The powdered oyster shell (crushed doesnt work as well, powdered has more surface area per cup since the grains are smaller, crushed wont break down well) works to keep the casing mix neutral while the myc produces these wastes..it keeps the casing producing more fruits (even on the first flush) and keeps it going for more flushes. It also makes it alot more resistant to contamination.

Coco coir is used, even though it doesnt work as well as peat, because it comes neutral so a buffer isnt needed, though I've still found it to help quite a bit.

Add about 5% shells, or calcium carbonate by volume to the peat moss, then add 50% verm. Heres where I get mine if I cant find it locally (home depot, garden shops, ect).

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#4638231 - 09/09/05 04:18 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

are you saying that there should be two layers of casing one consisting of peat and oyster, the second consisting of just verm?

or just mix the peat and oyster first before adding the verm. then case them all together on the substrate?

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#4638244 - 09/09/05 04:23 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

>or just mix the peat and oyster first before adding the verm. then case them all together on the substrate?

That one. I just said it that way, because you should have about 5% to the peat moss, but not the total mixture when you add in the verm. You could do peat, then verm, then 2.5% oystershells too..however I think they work better if you add them to the water when you soak the peat moss. It is harder to burn the myc with this stuff though so it doesnt matter if you go overboard or measure exactly.

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#4638287 - 09/09/05 04:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

In fact i regularly use (and would even suggest) you use oyster shell powder at 10% the volume of the peat. Not saying scat's wrong, just proving his point that it's hard to use too much as long as it's calcium carbonate and not hydrated lime.

bTW, I see people say all the time that coir is neutral. I've never seen neutral coir, it's never been as acidic as peat, but it's always tested acidic. There's no way I'd use it without a buffer. (although people do it all the time, so it's obviously not certain death to mycelium...)

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#4638299 - 09/09/05 04:41 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with all that, I just dont waste the shell, and I dont keep casings beyond 2 or maybe 3 flushes, so more is usually a waste for myself...I dont usually measure it either..

I've never tested coir with a meter, but I started out my first casing and every one for like 6 months using calcium carbonate, I ordered it for peat moss, but coir was easier to find, so I used that but used some buffer anyway because people said you could..then when I ran out, people said I wouldnt notice the difference if I was using coir...after two grows without it, I put buffer in every time now, even coir...

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#4638559 - 09/09/05 05:42 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I guess I'm a little confused now.

I've seen posts saying you need to keep a certain water level in the perlite. Yet, someone here said just soak it and drain it, then place in tub.
1. For my cased h/poo trays what it optimal?

Someone also said that you can dunk poo cakes.

2. With a cased h/poo cake, do I just mist continually keeping my casing at near saturation? Or do I dunk between flushes?

3. I know you can dunk a PF cake, but when I am spawning a PF cake to h/poo does it need to be dunked before it is grated up and mixed together?

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#4639279 - 09/09/05 08:49 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

I would just soak and drain the puerile or it may get nasty

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#4639857 - 09/10/05 12:18 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

First of alll, it will be less confusing to a lot of readers if you use the word cake to refer only to BRF/verm mixes which are fruted uncased. That's what people think when they hear "cake" so talking about your poo cakes sounds like you are talking about a PF cake that you might have mixed some poo into. (not being critical, just helping on some terminology).

1. on perlite. As long as the perlite is wet, it will humidify the air. As soon as it dries out, it won't. So, if the perlite is sitting in water, it will continue to wick water into itself and therefore not dry out. The drained perlite won't have that resevoir of water it's sitting in. Initial humidification is the same from drained perlite or perlite sitting in water.

you can dunk poo. you can dunk casings, you can dunk near anything you want. Personally I wouldn't do it for anything other than cakes, but that's just me.

2. No, don't mist continually, and don't keep near continuation. Damn! I wish I could just say, go read chapter 5 in TMC! Anyway, ok, optimum moisture level is a few % below saturation. This is what your casing should be when applied. You want to stay as close to this as you can, but you don't want to mist while the fungus is pinning. Meaning after it forms hypael knots, until the mushrooms are at the button stage. No misting. You can mist during the pin initiation PERIOD, but stop as soon as hyphael knots start to form. If you think they may be forming and you aren't really sure, just don't mist unless you feel like you HAVE to, and only then lightly. LIkewise, once the fruits reach the button stage, mist very lightly. Do not mist them continually. You can also dunk between flushes if you want to, I was never a casing dunker. Better yet in my opinion is to carefully keep the moisture level of the casing as near it's optimum as you can. This is done through light mistings throughout the flush (if you can get to it, hopefully you'll have a full canopy like scatman gets!), and watering well after the 1st harvest. I never saw a need for dunking.

2. No need for dunking. In fact a dunked cake will be hard to grate up as it will get pretty mushy after dunking. Just colonize, crumble/grate, spawn, and go.

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#4641074 - 09/10/05 08:37 AM (7 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks alot.

btw i have read tmc it's just that i have read so much since i've been coming here that it all kinda' blurs together and then you hear stuff that's conflicting which makes it even harder to recall.

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#4642203 - 09/10/05 03:17 PM (7 years, 8 months ago)

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btw i have read tmc it's just that i have read so much since i've been coming here that it all kinda' blurs together and then you hear stuff that's conflicting which makes it even harder to recall.

I know EXACTLY what you mean!

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#4682722 - 09/19/05 06:13 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/13/05- Birthed 4 cakes and spawned to 5lbs of h/poo.(left 3 trays in pic below)
9/14/05- Birthed 4 cakes and spawned to 5lbs of h/poo (right 3 trays in pic below)

9/18/05- Birthed 3 cakes and dunked w/plate on top, in pot with h20/h202, for 18hrs.

9/19/05 - Poured perlite into pillowcase which is in large cooking pot.

9/19/05 - Filled pot with water and added a quarter of a bottle of peroxide. Let sit for 30 mins with a gallon jug of water on top to hold it down. Drained and poured into the bottom of the fruiting chamber.

9/19/05- Rolled in verm and placed in fruiting chamber.

9/19/05- Covered fruiting chamber and placed heat pad set-up underneath.

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#4682733 - 09/19/05 06:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

No heat pad needed Bamaman, unless you are in Alaska :smirk:

It seems that you have gone all out in your new hobby! I like your balls-to-the-wall approach :smile:

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#4682842 - 09/19/05 06:40 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

me too banana man, its VERY similar to my setup, all balls to the wall, only my second time growing the little beauts, my jars are just taking their sweetass time to fully colonize, but hey good things take time right?

good job on yer setup tho brother, top shelf all the way as far as i can see

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#4683104 - 09/19/05 07:51 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the encouragement...
...that room stays about 69 degrees, so I tried the heating pad on low to see how much it would affect the inside temp. It raised it to 78 degrees so I cut it off. I'll just wait until morning to see what the temp gets to be without it.

P.S. I have one more cake that isn't finished colonizing which will be dunked and rolled with it's 3 brethren.

P.S.S. I also received my calcium carbonate the other day.

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#4683152 - 09/19/05 08:03 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

That setup looks extremely great to me. Good luck on this. I always just used co co coir. I actually have the same brand name of things you do.

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Looks pretty good, got any powdered oyster shells to buffer that peat moss? I'd suggest it..

Pretty funny reading "got any powder" while looking at Tyrone the crackhead in your sig.

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#4686347 - 09/20/05 04:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/20/05- 7 days since cakes were spawned to poo
NOTE: for some reason much of the lighter mycelia looks brownish in the pics, in real life that mycleia is white... albeit thin.

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#4686503 - 09/20/05 05:11 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

No overlay, it is still in the "colonizing the h/poo" stage. I figured I would let it go for 3 more days then case it.

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#4686843 - 09/20/05 06:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

looking great man.
what percentage of h2o2 to h2o did u use?
im thinking about dunking and rolling, so maybe this will be a good idea....

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#4687012 - 09/20/05 07:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i put about 10%(eyeballed) h2o2 in my mister, the rest i filled w/h2o.

my bag of perlite... i filled it up with water, and the added a half of bottle of h2o2. i drained it in a clean white pillowcase and dumped the whole bag in the tub.

the verm i used for rolling was just a couple of handfulls put in a bowl the added plenty of water and a few "glugs" of h202. i then nuked the bowl for five minutes. i took a clean white cotton shirt and lined a collander. i poured the nuked verm and drained it thru the shirt. let it cool and then rolled my cakes.

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the pics are brownish but the growth in real life isn't. the growth is only seven days old and still quite thin in areas. in those areas you can see the poo underneath and it makes it look brownish.

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9/21/05- My second set of trays are now 7 days since the cakes were spawned to poo
NOTE: for some reason much of the lighter mycelia looks brownish in the pics, in real life that mycelia is white... albeit thin.

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#4690435 - 09/21/05 03:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

wait...youre supposed to mist the poo while its colonizing w/ h202 solution??? i thought you only started misting after applying the casing layer. omfg, now im confused and scared!

the grow looks awesome, inspiring

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#4690481 - 09/21/05 04:01 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

NO misting the poo. I have not said or done that. I had not even looked at these 3 trays in seven days when I spawned them and covered them. the mister is for my cakes...i won't be using it on the poo trays until they are cased and put into the fruiting chamber.

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You are doing an awesome job. When do you plan on casing?

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I am gonna case the first 3 trays on 9/23, (spawned on 9/13).

The second set of 3 trays I will be casing the following night, (spawned on 9/14).

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#4691094 - 09/21/05 06:33 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Looking good.

It will have a brown tint to it, its just the poo. Overlay doesnt turn brown..overlay can turn yellow, though its not dead..and can look brownish..its just the myc piss and the myc flattening out. You cant have overlay before you put on the casing layer, and overlay is not dead mycelium.

Here are some pictures of it though:

They still all fruited though, the myc definatly isnt dead.

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#4701965 - 09/23/05 08:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/23/05 4 days since I placed my 3 dunk & rolled cakes in the FC. I still have 1 cake still colonizing, (38+ days!)

The two cakes, in the top two pics, have about 4 visible pins each. Can you see the pins?? :wink:

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looking good, you are on the right track.

bulk poo takes roughly 7 days to colonize, depending on amount ofspawn used to inoculate. I usually use 20-30%+ spawn for my medium which is horse poo/straw 50/50.

Colonization is done, and is ready to case and fruit within 10 days maximum. usually more like 5-7 days.

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#4702467 - 09/23/05 10:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

all six trays of poo now have mycelia across the entire top of the tray, but none of them have heavy growth(like snow) everywhere.

it is still kinda' splotchy, w/heavy white growth in many areas and light white growth in many areas. my first set has been in for 10 days, my second set of trays has been in for 9 days.

you are not recommending that i case them before the surface is fully colonized simply because 10 days have passed...are you?

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#4702605 - 09/23/05 11:48 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i am, case them now and fruit them.. They are ready.

As soon as you case them and put them into fruit, they will still continue to colonize a wee bit more before focusing on fruit production.... if you wait too long, overlay will kill you.

i've had overlay completely stop fruiting before, got 1-5 fruits from a huge bulk casing... better to case right now IF the entire top layer is "colonized" in that it has mycelium on top.

yours looks like it does, i'd go for it.

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I'd wait until you get the THICK white mycelium growth.

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i was under the impression that overlay was due to leaving THE CASING incubating to long....not the substrate.

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You are correct. Like Scat said, you can't have overlay until you case.

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#4703248 - 09/24/05 02:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think he's saying that overlay is on the sub. i think he's saying that over-colonized sub is the cause of overlay on casings.

anyway...that's the way it reads to me. my problem is that i've been under the impression that it is caused from leaving your casing incubating too long.

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#4705182 - 09/24/05 02:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/24/05 - 11 days since spawned cakes to poo. Also birthed and dunked last jar today 39 days after inoc. No contams!! 12 out of 12 success!

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Almost there dude! :thumbup:

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#4711253 - 09/25/05 09:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/25/05 Took last cake out of dunking container, rolled in verm and placed in FC. The cake in the first 2 pics below, that has the most verm, is the one that was just placed in FC. The other 3 cakes have little pins galore(last 5 pics below), I think they are even visible with my camera. The 3 cakes with the pins were placed in the FC 6 days ago.

NOTE: The last cake I dunked was LOADED with water. It felt as if it had soaked up it's entire mass w/water. This one cake stayed under water for 22hrs. The first 3 cakes I had dunked for about 18hrs felt as if they had absorbed hardly any water.

I don't know if the last 4 hrs or so were crucial to the cakes water absorbtion, or if it was just coincidence. All my future dunks will be performed for at least 22 hrs from now on, though.

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#4711274 - 09/25/05 09:34 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

damn, good luck with that man, ur gonna have so many shrooms. i like the setup. hope it all turns out good. peace

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#4711339 - 09/25/05 09:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Still looking good man! Try to thumbnail those pics though, they're HUGE. :wink:

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9/26/05 13 days since I spawned cakes to poo. 7 days since I put cakes in FC.

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Looks good but why are you waiting to case those poo containers? Theyre ready to go, I'd have cased at day 11 or before. Heavy pinset on the cakes though, always a good sign of good conditions.

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gyeah those horsepoo looks nice with all those beatyful white stuff cant wait to see the update on your horse poo caseing looks nice...

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did you paint the containers that your poo is in? or use black plastic? i made the mictake of usingclear containers one time. just once. never again.

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Looks like electrical tape to me X24.

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Looks good but why are you waiting to case those poo containers? Theyre ready to go, I'd have cased at day 11 or before.

I was waiting on you scat. :smirk:

I just kept posting my progress until one of the vets said, "do it". Which you did, sooo... I cased all 6 trays with approx. half inch, and got them incubating. I will check in 48hrs and do a light patch and then check 24hrs later. Sound ok?

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Heavy pinset on the cakes though, always a good sign of good conditions.

Humidity is high, temp about 74 degrees, 12dark/12 hrs of indirect sunlight, and fanning approx 20 times a day.

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did you paint the containers that your poo is in? or use black plastic? i made the mictake of usingclear containers one time. just once. never again.

I covered them with about three and a half inches of duct tape.

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#4716885 - 09/26/05 10:52 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/26/05 Case 6 trays of colonized h/poo 13 days after spawning.

STEP 1:
Gather casing material. (peat, verm, calcium carbonate, bowl, measuring cup)

STEP 2:
Mix 45% peat, 45% verm, 10% calc. carb., water.

STEP 3:
Cover bowl with saran wrap and poke a few holes in it, then nuke for five minutes, then stir. Nuke for 3 more minutes, then let cool.

STEP 4:
Put half inch casing layer, loose and even, across the trays.

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Humidity is high, temp about 74 degrees, 12dark/12 hrs of indirect sunlight, and fanning approx 20 times a day.

Newbees please take note! These are OPTIMAL conditions. This is becoming one picture perfect thread Bamaman. I wish I could rate you more than once! :thumbup:

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#4717038 - 09/26/05 11:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Foo Man.

Luckily, my extremely long jar colonization allowed me hang out here and read, read, read... while I waited. I figure, if I am gonna' do this just once...I wanna' do it right. :mushroomgrow:

But, I'll be damned if I'm not now interested it continuing this hobby with edible mushrooms....we'll see how excited I get come fruiting time.

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#4717486 - 09/27/05 12:27 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

You'll be so happy you'll never wanna stop! I'm waiting on my first flush to be ready for harvest... It's a beautiful sight!
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wow....nice finally case your horsepoo cant wait to see your update yo.

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#4720028 - 09/27/05 03:25 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/27/05 - Pics of my 3 cakes that were put in FC 8 days ago.

CAKE A - SIDE 1

CAKE A - SIDE 2

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CAKE B -SIDE 1

CAKE B - SIDE 2

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CAKE C - SIDE 1

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They should be bursting with growth tonight! GL man!

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#4725618 - 09/28/05 03:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/28/05 - Pics of my 3 cakes that were put in FC 9 days ago.

CAKE A - SIDE 1

CAKE A - SIDE 2

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CAKE B - SIDE 1

CAKE B - SIDE 2

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CAKE C - SIDE 1

CAKE C - SIDE 2

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#4725841 - 09/28/05 04:37 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Cakes are looking great.

As to the casings..theres no set time, and every casing will be different. When you see about 10 spots poking up on the casing, you can kinda see it comming through everywhere else. Then you patch very lightly to give the rest of the casing a chance to catch up. I usually birth right after patching (no more incubation stage) but I know right when to get it...Your plan doesnt sound bad but dont leave it set in stone, if theres not much growth after 2 days, leave it for a third. If everything looks nice and even below the surface, dont patch much (if at all) and dont reincubate after patching. If you patch and it looks like it needs more time, give it to it. You should get it barly poking up all over the casing layer when you fruit it.

It should look something like this when its time to fruit:

From there it shouldnt grow to much until you get pins forming:

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#4726188 - 09/28/05 06:23 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Just found this thread. Damn - its like waiting for the the next episode of sopranos.
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damn! thats a lot of pins on those cakes, and im sure the casings will follow their example... your gonna be set for a while!

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#4727086 - 09/28/05 09:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome job Bamaman! I'm in the beginning of collecting equipment for my grow. I just got my All American 921 PC, and I'm itching to go. I'm going to follow this thread sacrilegiously!

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#4727128 - 09/28/05 09:29 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

If you are wanting to copy my grow then these threads may help.
Bookmark them if need be.

Here?s my ?Supply check list?.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4666366#Post4666366

Here?s my colonization progress. Just check this thread for all my posts from this one on.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4541995#Post4541995

Here?s my err? ummm? grow-log. Which of course you?ve already found?.
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#4731885 - 09/29/05 03:36 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/29/06 - 10 days since they were placed in the fruiting chamber.

CAKE A - SIDE 1

CAKE A - SIDE 2

CAKE B - SIDE 1

CAKE B - SIDE 2

CAKE B - SIDE 3

CAKE C - SIDE 1

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#4732363 - 09/29/05 05:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Bamaman where are the casing pics!?!?! or is there no noticable progress since you recently cased? did you patch and place in FC yet? if so, any pins? common man, its like a "To Be Continued..." episode lol (sorry for anciness, just really excited to see your stuff, since i am somewhat imitating your methods due to the detail of this grow log :smile:

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#4732731 - 09/29/05 06:47 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry... right after I took my cake pics I checked my casings. I then soaked my perlite in the pillowcase/pot method. I patched, misted and placed the trays in the fruiting tubs and then into the closet. I fanned them for no particular reason and turned the light and hepa on.

Pics don't really show much, but it's cool after all this time to have this closet ACTUALLY in use....

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Re: Finally... fruiting closet w/pics

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#4732809 - 09/29/05 07:18 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

anyone else notice that guy in the middle coming from the bottom of the cake seems to be going for something?

hehe...just the first thought that popped in my head.

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#4732833 - 09/29/05 07:26 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

those are some happy mushies. theyre even dancing on top of the cake. :mushroom2:

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#4734516 - 09/30/05 02:02 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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#4735929 - 09/30/05 11:53 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well, good morning sunshine.... are you little babies happy to see me?

9/30/05 - 11 days since this cake was placed in the fruiting chamber.
(the other 2 cakes look awesome too, but this is the picture perfect one!)

CAKE B - SIDE 1

CAKE B - SIDE 2

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Re: Finally... fruiting closet w/pics

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#4735951 - 09/30/05 11:58 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

kraj said:

anyone else notice that guy in the middle coming from the bottom of the cake seems to be going for something?

hehe...just the first thought that popped in my head.

i saw that right away, i was just about to crop out the penis mushroom and the leg mushrooms before i read that

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#4735987 - 09/30/05 12:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

really nice cakes man!the are dunked and rolled before put in the fruiting chamber!?I have 2cakes that dont want to pin,
can i just dunk and roll it,
and puit it back in the fruiting chamber?

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#4737626 - 09/30/05 06:19 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

9/30/05 - 11 days since these cakes were placed in the fruiting chamber.

CAKE A - SIDE 1

CAKE A - SIDE 2

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CAKE B - SIDE 1

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CAKE C - SIDE 1

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#4738367 - 09/30/05 09:12 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

ILL - cake b is a chandelier masterpiece!

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#4738555 - 09/30/05 09:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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#4739394 - 10/01/05 01:36 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Hats off to you man. Very impressive. :peace:

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#4740327 - 10/01/05 10:04 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

The picture perfect Cake B, was harvested last night, there are still a few shrooms left that the veil had not broken and a few pins still developing on that cake.... but the majority of it that was ready, got picked.

63g wet. errr...ummmm.... they never made it to the drying chamber so I don't know the dry weight.

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#4740330 - 10/01/05 10:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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63g wet. errr...ummmm.... they never made it to the drying chamber so I don't know the dry weight.

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#4740332 - 10/01/05 10:11 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

nice flush - i worship eyecandy cake b.

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#4740338 - 10/01/05 10:17 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

would have been around 5.04g ~ 6.3g dry.

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#4740353 - 10/01/05 10:31 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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would have been around 5.04g ~ 6.3g dry.

I have read from more than one Golden Teacher grower, that GT's dry with MUCH LESS WEIGHT LOSS than the typical cube. The typical cube retains 8-10% of it's weight after drying, from what I understand.

I don't recall hearing what their average drying % is for a GT??? But I assume it is over 10%... :shrug:

I guess I'll know soon enough though, when I get my other cakes harvested.

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#4740391 - 10/01/05 10:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

very fucking nice bro, i hope mines turn out this good.

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#4741189 - 10/01/05 04:06 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

hellaz gyeah shit those shrooms loooks delicious

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#4744526 - 10/02/05 09:40 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Total wet weight off all three cakes = 161g. They are now dunking.

The 4th cake that went into the FC many days after the first 3, has been pinning since yesterday, (105+ pins :wink:

).

BTW This may sound fundamental, but I have run across a little FAE trick that is super easy. As most of you know my FC tubs are covered with plastic sheeting(wal-mart paint dept.), and secured with elastic bands(wal-mart sewing dept).

Initially, I was simply lifting the side of the plastic and band and creating a good size gap, then used an ornamental fan that my wife had. I would quickly gust fresh air into the chamber for about 15 seconds.

While handling my plastic during these last few days I have noticed when I lift one side of it quickly, it vacuums in a gust of air. So I pushed down on the middle of the plastic and pumped it back out.

I rinsed and repeated and have found it to be much quicker and easier, especially now that I am hand fanning 4 tubs about 20 times a day. Even if I had a tub with a hard plastic lid that I manually fanned...I would remove it and use the band/sheeting lid instead.

Just another easy FAE option....

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#4744838 - 10/02/05 12:16 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

DRYING SUPPLIES:

1. Old cardboard box approx 14? square.
2. 1 bag of kitty litter for $1, at the Family Dollar store.
3. Two computer fans from the local computer repair shop?.I simply went in and asked if they had any extra old computer fans and he went and got this big bin of them and told me to take any that I wanted free.
4. A 2?x 4? piece of wire mesh from a hardware store for less than $3.
5. The clear plastic tub w/green lid, (it is what I formerly used as my incubator tub).
6. Roll of electrical tape.
7. Wire snips.
8. Roll of duct tape.
9. 12v DC adaptor.
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This will be my ?Stage 1?, (first 24hrs.), drying box. I will leave the lid open and simply take a large pedestal fan on low from a few feet away, and blow into the lid.

Cardboard box, with some plain clay like kitty litter in the bottom.

2 makeshift wire mesh shelves, and two computer fans. NOTE: cut hole in lower part of the box and duct taped a coffee filter over the hole.

Screens shelves sitting inside the box.

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This will be my ?Stage 2? drying chamber. I will be sealing the lid with duct tape and keeping the computer fan circulating inside.

Clear plastic tub with lid, computer fan, adaptor, shelf, kitty litter, etc..

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#4745207 - 10/02/05 02:31 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

So I wake up today, smoke a bowl, get ready to jump in the shower and think, "hey, lets see whats goin' on with the fine folks over on down at The Shroomery."
Low & behold, I find this thread.

Awe-inspiring. Extremely nice work Bamaman.

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#4747758 - 10/03/05 02:29 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

still waiting on those updated pics of the bulk casings.. :smile:

haha just giving you shit man, excellent job so far, i just wanna see how youre doing with the more difficult part of all of this... i am of the understanding that spotting the myc, patching, placing in FC, achieving an even and dense pinset, and preventing contams, can be very tricky. wondering how those pinsets are turning out, if there is even any yet? keep up the great work!

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#4748556 - 10/03/05 11:00 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thats how I fan my closet, open and close the door quickly..clears out the whole closet in seconds. If you have a lid, most just take it off and use that to fan, like fanning a fire..can generate huge gusts and it only takes a couple big gusts.

How the casings doing? Hopefully theve been fruiting for a few days now maybe?

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#4755319 - 10/04/05 07:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

10/03/05 - First pins spotted in the poo trays, (4 days after being placed in the fruiting chamber).

10/ 04/05 - 4 out of 6 of the poo trays have pins, (5 days after being placed in the fruiting chamber). The last PF cake, (cake D), started pinning several days ago. It was placed in the FC 9 days ago, (pics below). It had 105+ pins, that?s over 400 pins on the first flush for my 4 cakes? :wink:

CAKE D - SIDE 1

CAKE D - SIDE 2

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#4762847 - 10/06/05 09:47 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

10/05/05- my drying system wasn?t able to make the shrooms ?cracker dry?. So, I added some spray paint and some technical gizmos to my chamber to enhance it, (pic below).
Also, the shrooms I had that were almost dry, (but not quite ?cracker dry?)?. I decided to eat them. I took 6.8 grams dry and watched the movie Kung-Fu Hustle. Two thumbs up?way up!

10/06/05- My last cake, (cake D), will probably be completely ready for harvest tonight, (pic below). Also, there are pins in all six poo trays, (pic of one tray below).

CAKE D

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New drying chamber? :wink:

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1 out of the 6 poo trays.

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#4762950 - 10/06/05 10:21 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

not that you need advice or anything, but i wanted to take a stab at your little drying problem. the fanning probably worked out fine, but i think the box you chose to use is very big, giving the dessicants a lot of air to have to dry out, even though the mushrooms are the only thing holding water really. Regardless, im guessing if you moved the shrooms outta the box after 24 or so hours of fanning, to a small, very enclosed shrooming desiccant chamber with a bunch of damp-aid in it or something, that this would get them "cracker dry", not only because they would be much closer to the dessicants, but because there would be much less air moisture being taken in by the dessicants, leaving much more room for shroom moisture to be taken up. just a thought :smile:

awesome job with the casing, looks pretty, cant wait for the rest of dem pins :smile:

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#4764109 - 10/06/05 03:46 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

10/06/05 First flush off my 4th cake harvested, (50g wet). That's a total of 211g wet, from all 4 cakes. Probably close to an 1oz dry.. :wink:

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#4764118 - 10/06/05 03:50 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Amazing man. Truly amazing. :peace:

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#4764201 - 10/06/05 04:15 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

WOW! what an awesome thread, great inspiration man. everything looks absolutly perfect, and those are some killer cakes man. great job!

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#4764221 - 10/06/05 04:20 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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i wanted to take a stab at your little drying problem.

I think the dehydrator took care of the problem :wink:

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#4764382 - 10/06/05 04:53 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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is your casing a little wet or is that normal, id think your casing should be exploding like your cakes...

My casing is moist, I gave it a near saturation misting when they were placed in the FC, and have been giving each tub 3 pumps a day off my mister and letting it gently fall on the poo trays.

Give it time, the first pins just showed up a couple of days ago. Matter of fact... there are more pins in that poo tray since I took that pic this morning! I expect some nice pinsets by tommorrow.

Either way it doesn't matter, I have enjoyed the process and the learning and I'm happy especially considering this is my first grow.

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#4765215 - 10/06/05 07:44 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

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#4765332 - 10/06/05 08:10 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

haha and thanks for the rementioning of the Food Dehydrator Foo and Bama, if you guys havent been able to tell, i have been very active in postin all over the forum, trying to put my 2 cents in everywhere possible, as a way of testing the knowledge i have gained here. The more i post shit like that, without being corrected, the more comfortable i become during my first cultivation, which is currently underway. Besides tryin to help out, im also getting my questions answered indirectly, so that i dont have to post noob questions in the forum anymore (or as little as possible). so thanks a bunch, and keep up the good work bamaman, i cant wait to see updated casing pics dude i check this thread like 5x a day just to see if u added new casing pics lol. mycology = the shit

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#4769421 - 10/07/05 03:55 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

This the best reading I've seen in a while!

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i think i just came,very nice

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#4776638 - 10/09/05 01:07 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Ok folks,
Here?s the pics ya?ll were waiting on. Sorry if they are disappointing but as some suspected my pinset didn?t quite develop fully after I patched and fruited. Any ideas how to increase future pinsets or has that boat sailed?

Just an idea? that after this harvest I birth them on foil trays and perhaps flip them upside down, sprinkle a light casing and re-incubate for a few days. Would that waste too much energy at this point or maybe just birth, flip, lightly case, and fruit directly?

One of the reasons I am suggesting this is; there are several shrooms in these trays that are growing invitro, so to speak. They are curling up and growing between the sub and the side of the tray.

Anything at all that may maximize the next pinset would be appreciated.

10/09/05- Here are the 6 poo trays, 10 days after they were placed in the fruiting chamber. BTW that big guy in the first pic is 7 inches tall... :wink:

Tray-1

Tray-2

Tray-3 & 4

Tray-5 & 6

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And of course everyone remembers these 3 cakes. They are producing some fat pins for their second flush.

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#4777301 - 10/09/05 04:14 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks you sir. I have read that link a buncha' times, just didn't get that pinset though...oh well I am happy for my first harvested tray. 162 grams wet... :wink:

The whole batch off tray 1

Close up of the left half.

Close up of the right half.

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#4778487 - 10/09/05 09:09 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

niceeeee.... cant give you any more shrooms, think ive given you like 10 or 15 lol. can i ask what strain those are?

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#4781643 - 10/10/05 11:57 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Disappointing? No way!
Those mushrooms from your casings are picture perfect. You may have gotten fewer in number, but i bet they make up for it in weight.
Great thread Banaman. Five shrooms for you. :mushroom2:

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#4782038 - 10/10/05 01:22 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

I really love your grow dude, and your photo-documentary of the whole process. :thumbup:

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#4782050 - 10/10/05 01:24 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

i'm so glad i found this thread. its now my bible. i'll be following this to a tee when its time for me to case for the first time. i've always been to scared to case because i thought it was too hard. not any more! thanks so much bamaman! it'll also give me an excuse to buy a dehydrator. my wife doesn't like spending money.

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#4787435 - 10/11/05 03:32 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

10/10/05 Harvested trays 2/3/4 = 147g wet/140g wet/146g wet.

10/11/05 Harvested tray 5 = 187g wet.

NOTE: trays 3 & 4 have been birthed due to invitro growing. They were placed on foil with a bed of wet verm underneath. Then the sides were misted and sprinkled with verm and misted again. The top casing was misted and it was placed back in the FC.

Total first flush weight harvested off only 5 trays and four cakes, 993g wet!! (tray 6 is still fruiting. i will harvest tonight or tomorrow morning)

Tray 2

Tray 3

Tray 4

Tray 5

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The original three cakes getting ready for their second flush. These pins are fewer but much fatter.

EDIT: Those small plates, (covered w/foil in the pic below), proved to be too big. I originally took them out of their jar lids/rings because some of the shrooms growing from the base of the cake were getting smashed between the jar ring and the cake itself.

These plates covered with foil provided too much upward light reflection and confused the shrooms on which direction to grow. After witnessing this during the second flush, I placed them on, (not in!), plastic mayonaise jar lids covered with foil.

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#4787957 - 10/11/05 05:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

strain? man u keep impressing me lol, those are some PHATTY shrooms. excellent job on casing, and cant wait to see how the "bithed casings" go, ive never seen it done before (even though im sure it has been). it will be exciting to see your birthed casings 2nd flushes pictorial style. what strain are these?!?!

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#4788792 - 10/11/05 09:39 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

they are all golden teachers.

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#4789651 - 10/11/05 11:54 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

woa awesome. haha this is an elite grow log :smile:

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#4789675 - 10/11/05 11:58 PM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Pinsets come with practice. Definatly needs to have more mycelium colonizing the surface of the casing layer. I would use some chunky verm instead of the fine stuff..or as ghetto chunky verm, use 50/50 fine verm and perlite in the casing layer (so 25/25/50 verm/perlite/peat). Chunky verm still works better. Maybe even towards the 40% end with the peat (little more verm and perlite). The fluffiness will help the mycelium rip through the casing layer. Adding 10-15% coir helps too, but is less important. Then once you are getting good growth, its all about timing on when you expose it to light. Pretty much, if conditions are good, the first mycelium showing will pin first so you want everywhere to be showing if you want everywhere to pin, but showing just enough for your pins.

Also I would line the inside of your containers with tin foil, it helps make it extra light proof and the foil bonds with the substrate and shrinks with it, and doesnt let any air get down there either...helps a whole lot in getting rid of that side pinning. Also make sure when dumping the substrate and casing layer, you dont dump in the middle and spread it as this can compact the middle and make pins show up on the outside first. Alot of times mycelium comes up quicker on the outside anyway because the water dripping from the sides of the containers makes it wetter, so try to keep the edges only as moist as the middle, again the tin foil helps here (and patch edges more if they show through more at first). Keep up the good work.

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#4789744 - 10/12/05 12:06 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

those are the biggest ass GTs I've ever seen, I could eat one for a whole meal man

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#4789752 - 10/12/05 12:07 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

not to mention I'd trip balls for 72 hours haha

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#4789790 - 10/12/05 12:09 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Also, trying different strains will give you better pinsets, some are just more difficult to handle then others sometimes, I had trouble getting GT's to give me a good pinset, personally..always pinned on the side too, very quickly and almost to aggressivly. I always suggest trying out 3 or so different strains and sticking with the one that works best for you and working on that one, just because genetics do vary from strain to strain.

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#4790776 - 10/12/05 02:10 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

10/11/05 Harvested tray 6 of the first flush. 169g wet

So, that?s the entire first flush?. the final total of all 4 cakes and all 6 trays of h/poo is; 1,162g wet.

Tray 6

Placed back in the fruiting chamber. Notice the verm on the sides of the cake.

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#4790829 - 10/12/05 02:18 AM (7 years, 7 months ago)

Well, folks it's been a blast. I enjoyed the experience and have appreciated all the help. I have enjoyed making the grow diary and I'm glad some of ya'll have enjoyed reading it.

My first flush is over and posting this log and mycoporn does take up quite a bit of my time. So, I will be retiring from my updates.

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