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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: Ythan]
    #4494566 - 08/04/05 01:07 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

Ythan,
I'm going to try to think of some ideas either tonight or tomorrow...instead of just saying how ridiculous I think this situation is, I'll try to come up with something constructive.  Maybe one solution (off the top of my head) is encourage mods to be quicker to lock/delete threads that have no purpose other than drama.  As much as OTD can be fun to read, and entertaining (in a sick, sick way :wink: )it's also a big part of the problem.  These threads go on, unchecked, and sometimes spiral out of control and cause huge issues.  But without drama, what is OTD???  I think someone mentioned putting people in a private chat or whatever, having them talk...maybe that would help in some cases? 

Or maybe harsher penalties for those people that go really over the line.  Like whoever sent actual mail referencing goobler's family.  That's some fucked up shit.  And I remember reading Adamist saying that someone said they were GLAD Ares mother had died.  There are some things that you just don't say...and that's definitely one of them. 

But again, I'd like to stress, that people need to remember that this is online, and they're just typed out words.  And most of it needs to be taken with a grain of salt, given the maturity level of most of the people who start the drama. 

Ythan, I didn't mean to sound like I was criticize you recognizing that there is a problem, I meant to sound like I was criticizing the problem in the first place.  You're right, if it effects the smoothness with which this site is run, obviously something has to be done...I'm just not sure, unfortunately, that there is a viable solution to this one. 

*Liz


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: Hanky]
    #4494668 - 08/04/05 01:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
You know what that reminds me of?

That wall they built...the Berlin Wall.


Or the one they're building now to separate the Jews and the Arabs.


Making it so people can't see/pay mind to one another is no solution to any problem whatsoever.




Wow, you really made a mountain out of nothing there.

I can't personally relate blocking two people from each other on a website to blocking off whole areas of land with giant concrete walls and gun towers.




A molehill's just a smaller version of a mountain, same principles.


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: Liz]
    #4494817 - 08/04/05 01:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I don't see what the problem is with this idea. As long as you have volunteers who are willing to mediate, nothing really is lost of this doesn't work out.


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4494945 - 08/04/05 02:18 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not saying anything is "lost" if it doesn't work out...I'm just saying it seems a bit extreme/structured for this issue. There's no problem with the idea, I just don't think it will make any difference. Mediation only really works if both parties are willing to listen and compromise. In my opinion, most of the people involved in the drama are acting like 5 year olds. It would be like trying to "mediate" a group of kindergarten kids, fighting over who's turn it is to play with the blocks.


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: Liz]
    #4494992 - 08/04/05 02:26 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I understand that is might not work, but as long as it doesn't take a lot of time to implement, we might as well give it a try.


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4503395 - 08/06/05 11:18 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

I understand that is might not work, but as long as it doesn't take a lot of time to implement, we might as well give it a try.

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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: Liz]
    #4504389 - 08/06/05 07:04 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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To me, this all sounds like uptight nonsense. As far as I'm concerned, a lot of people, myself included in the past, take stuff way too seriously, given the fact that this is ONLINE.


I'm witcha on this one.  Online or not, people are way too quick to overreact and though we can't change this, I don't think some jury is going to be anymore effective than the moderator/admin structure that we currently have in place.  This will simply be adding a new level to the heirarchy and perhaps making conflicts MORE difficult to resolve due to the increased number of opinions being taken into account.

I am not one to believe that any proposed system will be able to resolve the root of the drama that underlies this community, which is truly a microcosm of our entire human population.  Drama is something that is in my opinion, only resolved within each individual, and it would be unrealistic to expect an entire grouping of different minds to collectively erradicate their passion for their differences in opinion, which is ultimately what leads to drama.


> if you're one of the parties involved in a conflict it suddenly
> becomes very important that there's a system is place for
> prompt unbiased resolution 


I may be getting a little out there on this one, but I truly do not believe that humans in our current level of thought are adequately equipped to provide unbiased resolution, in any circumstance,  online or not.  We need a system simple enough to be effective, and in this case I do believe that our current system is more efficient than the integration of a new system within it would be.


> I understand that is might not work, but as long as it doesn't
> take a lot of time to implement, we might as well give it a try.


As you may have gathered by my above tone, I think a comprehensive system of peer review would take an incredible amount of time to implement effectively, and even then I do not believe that what we may end up with will be much better than what we already have, save for perhaps a select few members that would receive a greater sense of ownership in this community through participation in such a review process.  While ideally I like people to become actively involved, I simply think that the drawbacks outweigh the perceived benefits since the goal here is not to improve a few persons' enjoyment, but to tackle the much larger phenomena of human reluctance to let go of the ego. :wink:


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: geokills]
    #4504418 - 08/06/05 07:16 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

very well said Mike!~

I always love reading your replies.

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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: geokills]
    #4507012 - 08/07/05 03:25 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

great post.  I feel pretty much the same way.  No matter what measures are put in place, there's always going to be people who CRAVE drama, and seek it out anywhere they can.  :shrug:

I think the most effective way to deal with this, is ignore them.  The people who cause the majority of the drama are always going to have something new to bitch about...just ignore them, and maybe eventually they'll shut up.  They're definitely the minority in this great community, and we shouldn't let the actions of a few people make everyone elses experience here a bad one.


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: Liz]
    #4513633 - 08/09/05 09:01 AM (7 years, 9 months ago)

well put ifallapart. i just kind of feel like the mod moral is very low. that some of the mods would rather see a fight for action instead of resolve things.


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: S8N]
    #4514613 - 08/09/05 04:00 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

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ST341THN1NJ4 said:
well put ifallapart. i just kind of feel like the mod moral is very low. that some of the mods would rather see a fight for action instead of resolve things.




the mods would, or you would....I think it's the latter.


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Re: Shroomery Arbitration and Mediation [Re: S8N]
    #4515339 - 08/09/05 08:02 PM (7 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, i don't agree with that comment. All the mods I know of anyways, try to keep the peace. Except in OTD....and they have a whole different set of standards. I don't know much about their mods, but I'm sure they do what they can.


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