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 Link
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 Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit)  [Re: Liz]
#4252626 - 06/03/05 05:02 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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ifallapart said:
Link, if people don't see why a lack of response when it comes to matters of close friendship would bother me, that confuses me.
That's the point, this never had anything to do with friendship. You guys took an op issue and took it personally. I know the 'you never message me except to bitch' comment upset you, but I really don't think it was meant to be as harsh as you think it was. That one comment was really not something to get this upset about. And it seems to all stem from that single comment. Your getting upset at lack of backing it up, his general lack of response, all comes from you thinking it was an attack on your friendship, which it really wasn't. If you could see that I think you'd understand why this is all so silly.
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Liz
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Liz]
#4252629 - 06/03/05 05:04 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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ifallapart said:
Aside from that, the thing that actually bothered me the most about his email, was where he wrote that as of late I hadn't messaged him at all, other than to bitch about stuff. I told him this made me feel like he was implying I was a shitty friend, and he hasn't denied that that is exactly how he meant it.
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Liz]
#4252660 - 06/03/05 05:17 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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ifallapart said:
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ifallapart said:
I told him this made me feel like he was implying I was a shitty friend, and he hasn't denied that that is exactly how he meant it.
That right there, is exactly the problem.
He made you FEEL like he was IMPLYING you were a shitty friend?
Sorry, Ifall, I disagree here on this issue.
He didn't imply this. Not from what we've been shown. You may have sensed that in his message... but as talented as Vamp is, he can not make someone FEEL like he was IMPLYING anything. He's just not THAT talented.
It is more likely, you FELT like he was IMPLYING something.
This happens all the time, and Ifall, you just admitted that is a part of your personality you are trying to work on.
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ifallapart said:
I will be the first person to admit that I am over sensitive. I read too much into shit, I overanalyze til I'm blue in the face, and I take shit that I probably should not take personally, very personally more often than not.
Vamp said what he said, you and Suffer chose to feel what you felt.
In hindsight, I'm 100% sure Vamp did not FEEL like IMPLYING you 'n Suffer should quit opping and Modding. I do not even think he was testing your limits.
Something has been taken out of context, and blown out of proportion.
Do you understand what I am trying to say here?
Blatant racists ARE dealt with on IRC... other than that, a racist comment here and there... that is allowed. Sadly, it is human nature to use off-color language in IRC, and if we went TOO far TOO fast w/ an anti racism stance... we'd have to ban most everybody over the course of 48 hours!
This shit takes time, and I think Vamp agrees with your stance (he dislikes racists too... yes Vamp is a racist-racist), he just disagrees on how to handle this issue... and he gets to make those choices... just like you get to choose how you feel, once the decision is made.
Please, don't convince yourself, that in all his spare time, Vamp has the ability to make you FEEL like he is IMPLYING anything.
After all this, I think you are IMPLYING something, and you FEEL like Vamp said something he never really intended to.
Ain't communication a bitch?
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eric_the_red
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Suffer]
#4252664 - 06/03/05 05:18 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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i am replying to suffer's post, but this is a reply to all involved:
you are obviously friends, close friends. those bonds of friendship that you all share are very valuable.
the #shroomery irc channel is worthless by comparison.
take irc out of the picture. if this removes the problem, then take a break from irc. if there is still a problem with irc gone, then irc is not the root of the problem. pick up the phone and call your friend to discuss whatever issues you may have.
why is this thread is still open? arguing in the public forums serves no valuable purpose. it does tend to put those arguing on the spot, making them feel they have to save face, which is counterproductive.
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Vampire999
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: automan]
#4252671 - 06/03/05 05:21 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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It was an email about shroomery issues not personal issues.
I've have tried to explain that every way I know possible.
I dont sugar coat shit.. If I though you were being a bad friend I would have said "You are being a bad friend because *insert reason here*.
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Vampire999
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: eric_the_red]
#4252688 - 06/03/05 05:24 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Because the satanic llama told me if I closed it he would take my first born.
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./configure --without-sanity --without-logic --without-regret
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Were not familly, we are the shroomery, and to some thats thicker than blood.
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Vampire999]
#4252711 - 06/03/05 05:31 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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the llama just might take your first born either way...
as well as your turtle. 
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Vampire999
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: eric_the_red]
#4252722 - 06/03/05 05:34 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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thats just sick!
<automan> i dont even know you anymore......
Seriously he just dosent even know you anymore
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./configure --without-sanity --without-logic --without-regret
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Were not familly, we are the shroomery, and to some thats thicker than blood.
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tomk
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Vampire999]
#4252878 - 06/03/05 06:21 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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You guys all need to just chill a bit. Seriously. This is like the most unchill discussion I've ever seen.
Suffer and friends, realize Vamp is a busy guy. He has to do his admin stuff on the shroomery in addition to having a job and a life and friends, and stuff. No doubt whatever motives suffer and friends are attributing to vamp are not there. I would guess that whatever you guys think the problem is, is just something he wrote in a hurry while distracted with other stuff. He probably didn't even think about it again until you guys got offended or whatever by it. If you are mad at him for not responding to your crap, just pretend like he wrote you whatever you wanted to hear and get on with it. I bet he is too busy to write the responses you want. Even if he isn't, as his friend, would you rather have him dealing with some drama shit on the internet or going outside and enjoying the day?
To vamp and friends. Why not just tell these people whatever they want to hear that would help them get over it? You know when a friend gets drunk or insecure and you have to say something so they can get over their problem? You say it, even if it is unreasonable, and you don't mean it, because you care more about your relationship with your insecure friend then about being right. If your buddy starts wigging out over something, you help him get over it, even if you don't like doing it. You are all on the same side here.
This is a case in point about how attachment leads to suffering (no pun intended, of course  ). So you guys meet this dude, have some fun times. But, because you become attached to those times, you start thinking about getting back there. You get an image of your head of this dude, and then get attached to this image, and when he does something that isn't how the image you have of him works, you get upset. Remember this guy that did this thing is the same guy you have had those good times with. The image that his actions shook up is what you wanted him to be, thats it. What would you rather have, anyway? If you are friends worth having, you'd rather have him be a dick sometimes then always conforming to what your ideas of him in your head are. When you have some good times with someone and anticipate more, it's very easy to start thinking about them too much, and use your intellegence and creativity to think of threats to it that don't really exist, rather then more ways to make it good. Thats what all this insecurity I see here is.
All of you should go outside, and watch the world around you for a while. Go sit at a busy corner, and think about your problem. What do you notice? All around you the world is still going on. It's not a big deal at all! Let it go.
You should all stop thinking about this. Focus on something else every time you start to think about it. Just let it go.
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Suffer]
#4253242 - 06/03/05 07:51 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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+1
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 Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Suffer]
#4253580 - 06/03/05 09:18 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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It would seem to me that Mods and Admins are there to enforce the rules, not their views. This isn't meant to be a flame, Suffer, really. Sorry to see you go though.
But people actually chat on IRC??? Most times I've been to the 'Shroomery chat they just sit there, not saying a word. I'm sorry I missed this rare event.... 
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Vampire999]
#4254024 - 06/03/05 11:27 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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holy fuck i hate when people start arguing in giant long paragraphs ...then i stop reading ...i guess that's how rational people argue... i like short biting insults peppered wtih curse words and horribly offensive comments 
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KingOftheThing
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: KingOftheThing]
#4254032 - 06/03/05 11:30 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh and yeah id like to see you both at the gathering ...suffer man id be really really bummed if u didnt show...
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Cervantes
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: KingOftheThing]
#4254858 - 06/04/05 03:43 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Come to the gathering. It's just like XBOX, only your ego dies!
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Cervantes]
#4254889 - 06/04/05 03:55 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I eat egos like Eggos--I toast 'em and pour sugar syrup and butter on top and slop 'em on down. I am Galactus. I am devourer of Shroomerite Consciousnesses. 
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Liz]
#4255432 - 06/04/05 11:55 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dear Suffer,
When we hung out that weekend, I thought you were awesome. Hope we can do it again some day. You obviously aren't cut out to be an oper, when you make peaace with that, maybe you'll be able to come back and enjoy this place as a member. I look forward to that day and in the mean time good luck with whatever avenues you choose to persue.
Remember man, life is too short to take seriously. I know you "love this place" and "want what's best for the community" and every other (self)righteous motivation has led to this but its really all a result of just taking shit too seriously. If you do that here, its only a matter of time before you get eaten alive. You'd think a guy who's been here as long as you would have sen tha by now but who kknows, maybe you were just blinded by power and/or pussy.
Have fun and for Christ's sake buy a helmet
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#4260116 - 06/05/05 04:11 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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 Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#4265273 - 06/06/05 09:48 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said:
maybe you were just blinded by power and/or pussy.
That was the single most offhandedly offensive comment I've ever seen anyone make about relationships or females in my time on the shroomery.
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: mathflower]
#4265306 - 06/06/05 09:53 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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In your twenty-someodd days?
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delta9
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Re: Goodbye shroomery... (why i quit) [Re: mathflower]
#4265346 - 06/06/05 10:00 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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mathflower said:
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Senor_Doobie said:
maybe you were just blinded by power and/or pussy.
That was the single most offhandedly offensive comment I've ever seen anyone make about relationships or females in my time on the shroomery.
Well, you haven't been looking very hard, obviously.
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