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 KristiMidocean
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 suicide selfish?? 
#4177694 - 05/15/05 12:10 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont know what is wrong with me.... I just recently had a friend kill herself leaving behind hunderds of frineds, 3 childern a husband good home and job, and tons and tons of loving family....
Her lately (its been about a month) I can't help but feel that she is the most selfish person I know! I have other friends right now that want to kill themselfs and I know I should be there for them ut I can...... I cant help but feel really mad at them for being soo stupid and selfish... Think about it..... They think their "issues" are sooo bad ad the only way to fix it is end their life...... well shit what about the people you are leaving behind.... YOUR NOT THINKNG ABOUT HOW IT WILL EFFECT OTHER PEOPLE........ STOP THINKING ABOUT YOU AND YOURSELF.......... sooo many people will suffer from your lose........ YOu know time can only heel "issues" but there is not enough time in the world to feel the hole in peoples lives when you kill yourself......
AM I WROng? Should I be more compassionate??? NO BECAUSE WHEN THAT PERSON TOOK THEIR LIFE THEY WERENT BEING COMPASSIONATE JUST SELFISH
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So if a person who has no friends and family kills themself its more righteous because it won't hurt anyone else?
Their suffering was obviously worse than your resulting suffering, I think you should be more compassionate.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Organic]
#4177895 - 05/15/05 12:59 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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boths sides are selfish...the living ones selfish cause they want others to continue living wt pain & the suiciders selfish for taking shortcut....i may be very wrong...i just dont know
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Organic]
#4178161 - 05/15/05 01:56 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Organic said:
So if a person who has no friends and family kills themself its more righteous because it won't hurt anyone else?
Their suffering was obviously worse than your resulting suffering, I think you should be more compassionate.
I'm gonna have to agree. You may be in pain right now, but obviously not as much pain as they were going through. Their life is not yours, it's theirs. They don't owe it to you or anyone else to stay alive.
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Your right on the money. Suicide is selfish, especially if they leave kids behind. If you decide to make kids, its your responsibility to care for them for 18 years. People dont exist in a vacuum, we all depend on others and others depend on us. I think this is a grave underlying problem of our culture- No one is willing to take responsibility for there actions, and life.
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Of course they've thought about what will happen to their family and friends if they kill themselves. You don't seem to understand that you can get to a point where you just don't give a fuck how anyone will feel when you die.
I can tell you've never been in this situation... people who haven't just can't understand it.
Suicide is a good way at getting back at the ones closest to you. Sometimes those are the ones you want to punish.
Is it selfish to end yourself from being in constant pain and agony? I don't think so.
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It's wrong to say that a suicide victim was in more pain than the ones left behind. Suicide is a choice, pain is a feeling. Plenty of people live with a lot of pain and don't choose to commit suicide. Very few people committed suicide in the WWII concentration camps for example. Suicide is -one choice- that comes from dealing with the pain. It's wrong to underestimate the pain of the living. Many people are in more pain some may think. Most people are in more pain than they show. They may not always talk about it or show it because most choose to find ways to cope and live with it.
Some people are more prone to commit suicide. I remember reading studies in college that showed that *hopeful* people are less prone for example. What does that mean, hope prevents people from committing suicide? Hope is a feeling about the future. For example, "Things are awful today, but I think they will get better tomorrow, so I won't kill myself so I can wait for that." A person experiencing the SAME PAIN but without hope would say, "Things are awful today and they're never going to get better. I'm killing myself."
Suicide is selfish. The suicidal person may not think so. Really depressed people rarely realize how important they are to others.
Also suicide can act as a chain reaction. Mr X commits suicide, Mr X's friend is more likely to commit suicide. Sadly, people are more likely to think of suicide as a real option when people close to them do it. After my friend threatened suicide I started thinking dark thoughts like how easy it would be for me for example. I'm not even a depressed person! I'm one of those people who bounces back quickly when shit comes their way. I'm extremely low-risk. But my friend's suicide threats had even ME thinking about suicide for a few days!
I've spoke with a psych prof who counselled survivors. He said, parents rarely if ever recover from it. They're asking themselves, "What could I have done different?" for the rest of their lives.
There are other ways to deal with pain than suicide!
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I don't think it matters to a suicidal person if they're death causes pain to their friends and family. They'll be dead... to them, those friends and family no longer exist.
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While it is a bit selfish when you look at it objectively, but, having been in the darkest abyss of depression, I can say that one doesn't think of such things. If you haven't been there, it's hard to explain and understand.....
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: ToiletDuk]
#4180021 - 05/15/05 10:45 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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While it is a bit selfish when you look at it objectively, but, having been in the darkest abyss of depression, I can say that one doesn't think of such things.
I agree. I feel suicide IS selfish but also understandable. I can understand why people commit suicide, having been in that frame of mind myself many time. It is also every man's choice.
And it may be a selfish choice, but people have the right to choose when they want to check out from this world or not. It's sadly a choice which changes not only their life, but the lives of everyone who cared for them. That's why suicide feels like a tragedy every time.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Silversoul]
#4180158 - 05/15/05 11:08 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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Organic said:
So if a person who has no friends and family kills themself its more righteous because it won't hurt anyone else?
Their suffering was obviously worse than your resulting suffering, I think you should be more compassionate.
I'm gonna have to agree. You may be in pain right now, but obviously not as much pain as they were going through. Their life is not yours, it's theirs. They don't owe it to you or anyone else to stay alive.
Very true Paradigm. You put it well. But fear of death is rampant and other people will most likely will not understand. Each person needs to take responsibility for being here in material reality where death is part of life. I tend to think that people who cannot get over someone elses death, must think death is the end. I don't think it is. Maybe it's the beginning. Or the waking. I feel that's true, I have had friends who killed themselves and I have had friends who just died. It was all the same. Some times people just can't get over death period. I myself look forward to that adventure. Whenever it is time, by my had, or not. 
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Icelander]
#4180378 - 05/16/05 12:06 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I understand full yof what it feels like to be in the darkest of depression.. I have been there. I have attemped to kill myself before... and when I woke up in the hospital I have to say I have never been soo glad to be alive......
I also know that any pain you are going through any dark dark days will pass...you just have to wait it out... DEATH however is finally.. you cant get passed that.... The pain of someone dying is forever....... DEPRESSION IS NOT
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Suicides are not all depressed. Some are in great physical pain. There may be other reasons.
You know everyone is selfish. It's part of being a self. Even if you are giving and loving, it makes you feel good or right, first it is for yourself. Nothing wrong in being selfish. In fact it is quite natural.
To put others needs ahead of your own, leads to great spiritual harm.
I don't feel one way or the other about suicide, or death.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Icelander]
#4184718 - 05/17/05 01:46 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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i believe a suicidal person's pain cannot be discounted. but neither can anyone else's pain. other people's pain is as real as one's own.
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If someone's bitching and moaning about their life and does nothing but wallow in self pity until their demise then I'd definitely deem that as selfish. But there's far too many variables to start being a bitch about things at the same time.
It's a gray area topic that I think can really go no where. It varies from person to person, friend to friend, and family, etc. I'd personally keep my opinions openly at this point in time, but I'd certainly say that it wasn't the most compassionate thing to do. Highly irresponsible but again, you could hurt a lot of people by saying things. I'd just keep quiet and try to not think about it too much, death's a terrible thing. Let everyone grieve I suppose.
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so you say that the person who throws away all the possible fun there might still be waiting for him/her in life is selfish? isnt it the person him/herself that is ultimately losing the most when committing such act
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: budsicle]
#4185922 - 05/17/05 12:07 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes I am saying that! everyone loses when someone kills themself! EVERYONE
DEATH is not an answer for a problem..
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: budsicle]
#4185928 - 05/17/05 12:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think of suicide as 'losing something'.
You really think you're gonna give a fuck about anything when you're dead?
No, because you no longer exist.
Even if someone does live a life full of happiness and dies at an old age, it's all the same in the end.
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I dont personally believe that when you die there is no more
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There's a difference between dying now, and dying later. Time is relative. For the sake of your family, who probably loves you, it's make them feel nicer 'n stuff to have you around longer and die when you're saggy and pruney. 
It generally gets people down when someone takes their life regardless if they're loved or not. Just creates a gloomy atmosphere.
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KristiMidocean said:
DEATH is not an answer for a problem..
Death is what we all have to answer to.
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Selfish? Hardly...
More resources for all. Suicidal people are usually a strain on society in some way. I don't think they should kill themselves, I seriously hope they get better. I really don't want to come off as a heartless ass in this situation but it's not selfish IMO.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Wysefool]
#4203644 - 05/21/05 03:52 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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To say that suicide is selfish is to imply that their life belongs to anyone else other than themselves.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Silversoul]
#4203674 - 05/21/05 04:09 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you create a kid then doesn't it? I understand what you mean if you don't have dependents. But if somebody makes a child then they have a responsibility to care for the child to adulthood. Do you think any person has the right to abandon there child? Is suicide any different then abandoning your child?
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Silversoul]
#4203767 - 05/21/05 04:45 PM (8 years, 30 days ago) |
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To say that suicide is selfish is to imply that their life belongs to anyone else other than themselves.
Which is exactly the case when you have children.
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sure, its selfish....but is selfish always a bad thing? ive never had any friends or family kill themselves, and i hope i dont, but if i do id hope that id be at least a little bit happy for them, in that they are no longer feeling the pain that led them to kill themselves. sure id be sad, and miss them....but isnt that also selfish? but at the same time, if you got kids id say suck it up. if you cant find your children as a reason to live, then you should have never had them in the first place.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Silversoul]
#4204422 - 05/21/05 08:24 PM (8 years, 30 days ago) |
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Paradigm said:
To say that suicide is selfish is to imply that their life belongs to anyone else other than themselves.
 Not all may like it but that's the final truth.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: looner2]
#4208331 - 05/23/05 12:04 AM (8 years, 29 days ago) |
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Your life does not belong to your children. Your children don't make you live, they don't decide your decisions, and while it will be sad, they will survive without you and you without them.
Ultimately, your life does belong to you, and you can choose to do with it as you will. It will affect others, and this should be taken into consideration, but you can't influence the path of a bullet in the end.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Silversoul]
#4329674 - 06/23/05 08:17 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
To say that suicide is selfish is to imply that their life belongs to anyone else other than themselves.
Yes. That is what it comes down to.
Life does not always include other people. Some cannot be reached. The view that suicide is selfish is selfish in itself.
Everyone is alone in their minds. Love is the only thing worth living for.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Dig_a_Pony]
#4334875 - 06/25/05 03:43 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I vote for compassion personally. A few years ago I was suprised when my girlfriend just spouted off that suicide was the most selfish thing a person could do. Before this I had never considered it as such. She is perhaps the most compassionate person I know so she has probably given it a lot of thought and would like people to realize that if you suicide then you are leaving behind people that care and rely on you. I also think that she will forgive just about anything. I think that suicide can be pretty selfish but people make mistakes (especially when they are in mental anguish). I generally like to forgive people that are living, why not forgive a dead guy who can't even apologize for himself. I say have some compassion for a desparate person and learn to forgive. My nonsensical 2cents
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Dig_a_Pony]
#5327283 - 02/22/06 09:16 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
To say that suicide is selfish is to imply that their life belongs to anyone else other than themselves.
Yes. That is what it comes down to.
Life does not always include other people. Some cannot be reached. The view that suicide is selfish is selfish in itself.
Everyone is alone in their minds. Love is the only thing worth living for.
So if you lose the only thing you ever loved and that ever loved you then suicide is worth it right.... What more would there be to live for? Love is lost......life is over
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Paradigm said:
To say that suicide is selfish is to imply that their life belongs to anyone else other than themselves.
Yes. That is what it comes down to.
Life does not always include other people. Some cannot be reached. The view that suicide is selfish is selfish in itself.
Everyone is alone in their minds. Love is the only thing worth living for.
So if you lose the only thing you ever loved and that ever loved you then suicide is worth it right.... What more would there be to live for? Love is lost......life is over
You could always kill ants with a magnifying glass to make yourself feel better. There's an endless supply.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: The_Hobbit]
#5327314 - 02/22/06 09:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's wrong to judge if someone's sellfish... Going through pain for years and years EACH AND EVERY DAY is something you don't want aynone to go through...
Isn't it a good feeling to know that they don't have to go trough all the pain anymore?
Some times we give up on life and don't have the energy left to go on seeing psychs and going through the pain every day...
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 Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Brakkie]
#7294205 - 08/14/07 04:42 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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In the past I always looked down on people who have tried to commit suicide or were constantly depressed . But in the past 2 years I have become very sick and have experienced so much pain that suicide is a comfortable thought because it is an escape route. I recently tried to commit suicide because I feel like I am becoming crippled, it feels like my muscles are all breaking down , I have pain in my head, I feel like im going insane, it hurts to move my eyes, arms, my heart hurts when it beats, all my joints are cracking, and cant sleep. I have gone in 2 years from being a very active healthy 25 year old to trying everyday not to buy a gun and just blow the back of my head off. The thing u don’t understand when u r healthy is how bad it hurts when u r sick. People who r not experiencing any pain don’t understand because they can continue on with their usual activities. When you are in so much pain every day that u cant function anymore it only makes sense to a rational person to consider suicide. If u look at people with diseases like ALS or multiple sclerosis, where they just slowly die very slowly and painfully then why would u think it is selfish for them to take their lives. In my opinion I would say it is selfish for loved ones to want to keep me alive when I am in so much pain. They don’t know how much pain I am in. they don’t know what I am experiencing. Listen I have been in the marines and have been through hellish physical pain, been through war, have broken limbs and experienced many different types of pain and depressing situations. But nothing could have prepared me for what ever the hell I am suffering from now. People have to understand that there is the possibility to be stuck in a bed unable to move or think and just slowly get worse and worse. Suicide is a persons choice. It makes no sense to die slowly and in infinite pain when u can die instantly in no pain, people don’t understand because they r not in the situation. I think our govt. should have legal suicide clinics where u can go and just say ok put me under and then stop my heart. Instead the govt will try an keep u alive for as long as possible no matter how much pain someone is in. I mean think about it really. U have to be retarded not to consider suicide in certain situations. I must say the only thing stopping me from suicide is I really do want to live but I don’t want live as a cripple in a bed in pain with some nurses who don’t give a shit about you’re crippled self laying in bed because they r going to go home and fuck their boyfriend and eat some good food and sleep like a baby. I will not allow myself to end up in a nursing home, to die slowly. But I might end up that way because it takes a lot of balls to shoot yourself. U can be healthy until your 80 and die in your sleep, or u can get unlucky and die slowly and painfully when you r young. To be honest I know my family would all be sad and maybe have a hard time getting over it but that doesn’t mean they should keep mean I should allow my self t sink into an infinite existence of suffering. Ok I think that is enough for now.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: xxjokerxx1]
#7294273 - 08/14/07 05:08 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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I used to be very suicidal. I agree to some extent suicide is selfish, but it's definitely not selfish consciously. Generally people who commit suicide (not the people seeking attention) are thinking along the lines of how painful things are and how they can't go on because the anxiety, depression, and suffering makes it hard to see anything but darkness, makes it hard to even breathe.
It's not like suicidal people are like that thinking "hah, I'm going to make them suffer and shit." That doesn't go through a suicidal person's thought processes, just raw misery. And when you're suicidally depressed, you're far from the correct state of mind.
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NO.. god damn it it pisses me off when people say suicide is selfish. if you think that you just clearly do not understand, and theres no way you could unless you were in such a situation where you are in so much pain that the only way to resolve it is to kill yourself.i think if there are ways around suicide which in most or a lot of cases there actually are and there are ways to be helped and whatever person contemplating it has not tried everything.. EVERYTHING they possibly could to help themselves get ouf of this situation... then yea id say that is being SELFISh and STUPID, especially if they have people that care about them or children, etc.
BUT! - if its not like that and the person has tried everything the possibly could to help themselves and maybe even years stuck it out to try and try and try and fight fight fight to get through it everyday despite all the pain - then it is not at all selfish. NOT AT ALL. it would be selfish to try and keep that person here after all that.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Locus]
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"Suicide is selfish. The suicidal person may not think so. Really depressed people rarely realize how important they are to others."
Exactly. Depressed people usually commit suicide aswell.
You are blaming someone for being selfish. Yet you also understand that these people do not see their importance to life and those within their life. If they did, they would desire to live within that importance more than desire to die.
I understand what you are saying and yes it does seem like she was being selfish.
Here is the thing i see you may have over looked.
When we judge people, we judge their intentions. Example: You are not trying to help me, thus you are not a helper. Or you are taking your life, you are not being compassionate towards what happens to me, so you must be trying to be selfish and not trying to be compassionate towards me.
If you can agree with this - ask yourself this question.
Do you think the person who was being suicidal was doing something they view as wrong? Is it possible for you to do something that is wrong?
I think that the reason anyone would be angry at someone for doing something they think is bad - like selfish acts - is because they cannot accept that people have different ways of experiencing good and bad. It is the same reason you get mad at someone for calling you a 'fucking slut' or cock sucker - if you were in her life or his life, you would not do it - be it commit suicide or call someone a fuck. That is all you there is to draw from this - a lesson in your own morals. Stop trying to bring yourself higher than her - she is both good and bad - understanding and unknowing - nobody is perfect, everyone is flawed, it is what makes us human. Try to hold on to acceptance -try to move fluid like water - search your heart mind - but only if you so see it as good - only one.
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And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.
Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.
Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....
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just think of it this way, she is not here, she didnt want to be here. If she wanted to be here she wouldnt have killed herself. she is no longer suffering because she dosent exist any more, the body feels nothing. She goes back to were she was before she was born. She becomes somehitng else or nothing, either way unless u can bend time while tripping on DMT she is gone from this physical existence. No more pain, no more negative energy. In nature things are constantly dying all day everyday.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: xxjokerxx1]
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life is just a blink of time, just a spec of energy in an infinate universe with infinate possibilites. If u look at life and the infinate life dosent seem to matter. But if life dosent matter then why would we be here. 
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: xxjokerxx1]
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Just my two cents... I have had suicidal ideation since the age of 16, and I am now 43. I have major clinical depression. My fear of going to hell, and the destruction and hurt I would cause to my family forces me to go on despite my pain.
Some loved ones can deal with my pain, and others just think I am faking it. The "tough love" approach in some cases hurts so much. I have had a lover tell me I will go to hell anyway because of my depression and suicidal thoughts. I have been told I am faking it.
On the other hand , I have many sisters who have told me that they wished I believed in myself as they believe in me. (The lover alternately says the same.) .
I am sad in general because I suffer daily from a lot of anxiety, OCD symptoms, need to be alone, some degree of agoraphobia (I think that it the right spelling). Plus I never reached my main goal in life, which was to give life to a child. Luckily I have many nieces and nephews, whose bright happy faces give me hope.
Please, please, don't say to a depressed person " I don't believe you." Don't say, " You are evil for feeling the want to die', Please don't say, "I hate you".
Please don't take away your love or support, however distant to a person that is obviously crying out for help. Many people who think about suicide don't want to die. They want their inner pain to end. This can only happen by true, unconditional love.
I have been lucky to have enough of that to sustain me, I am still alive. I have a long way to go.
Tell the person in your life, how much they are loved, and how much they will be missed. Do not make it personal, make them know they are important , and have had a positive impact on people's lives.
It is easy to judge those who fail, but depression is so devasting, as is any mental illness. Although I personally believe God considers this while finally judging us, the pain that the act may cause people in your life, from your Parents to the innocent children in your lives, is selfish in that sense. I am a person who has often wished to die. The tears of my Mother, and those that my sisters, and their children would shed , is what keeps me alive.
Pray for those who suffer, do not condemn them for their thoughts.
It may not be a choice to be depressed. It is hard to seek help, until you reach the bottom, and know that you must to go on.
I am there. I can do it for my family, someday I will want to do it for me, because I love me, as they love me.
Please don't judge. God loves us all.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: dao727]
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people also want to commit suicide because they have physical illnes that is crippling them, that is my only reason if i had my health i would be fine
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I dont know what is wrong with me.... I just recently had a friend kill herself leaving behind hunderds of frineds, 3 childern a husband good home and job, and tons and tons of loving family....
Her lately (its been about a month) I can't help but feel that she is the most selfish person I know! I have other friends right now that want to kill themselfs and I know I should be there for them ut I can...... I cant help but feel really mad at them for being soo stupid and selfish... Think about it..... They think their "issues" are sooo bad ad the only way to fix it is end their life...... well shit what about the people you are leaving behind.... YOUR NOT THINKNG ABOUT HOW IT WILL EFFECT OTHER PEOPLE........ STOP THINKING ABOUT YOU AND YOURSELF.......... sooo many people will suffer from your lose........ YOu know time can only heel "issues" but there is not enough time in the world to feel the hole in peoples lives when you kill yourself......
AM I WROng? Should I be more compassionate??? NO BECAUSE WHEN THAT PERSON TOOK THEIR LIFE THEY WERENT BEING COMPASSIONATE JUST SELFISH
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its not about you
they were obviously in pain
and they have the right to their body
suicide isn't a crime
its a choice. and its a choice anyone can make
you can't be punished for that
suicidals go to hell? that's bullshit
they obviously had a good reason.
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I've always thought it very strange when people consider suicide selfish.
I just don't get the argument...When someone commits suicide I'd imagine it is because one some level they feel like they are doing more harm than good (to the world, to their loved ones, etc), and that their death will help overall.
Even if they're wrong, I don't see how it could be selfish.
But as already mentioned, their is something selfish about thinking others owe their life to you, and that you have a right to get angry at that person when they commit suicide.
Do you think that person is going to a place of eternal bliss now, or is their life just over? [question for anyone as the OP is from 3 years ago]. Is this world a painful obligation to suffer through, or is it a beautiful chance to increase love in ourselves and others? It seems the only way someone could consider suicide selfish is if they didn't value life and considered death a gateway to heaven.
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I dont know what is wrong with me.... I just recently had a friend kill herself leaving behind hunderds of frineds, 3 childern a husband good home and job, and tons and tons of loving family....
Her lately (its been about a month) I can't help but feel that she is the most selfish person I know! I have other friends right now that want to kill themselfs and I know I should be there for them ut I can...... I cant help but feel really mad at them for being soo stupid and selfish... Think about it..... They think their "issues" are sooo bad ad the only way to fix it is end their life...... well shit what about the people you are leaving behind.... YOUR NOT THINKNG ABOUT HOW IT WILL EFFECT OTHER PEOPLE........ STOP THINKING ABOUT YOU AND YOURSELF.......... sooo many people will suffer from your lose........ YOu know time can only heel "issues" but there is not enough time in the world to feel the hole in peoples lives when you kill yourself......
AM I WROng? Should I be more compassionate??? NO BECAUSE WHEN THAT PERSON TOOK THEIR LIFE THEY WERENT BEING COMPASSIONATE JUST SELFISH
right??
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Of course it's selfish, imagine that you're a 10 year old kid getting home from school. You walk into your parent's room and find your mom with a gun in her mouth. Tell me that's not gonna fuck a kid up for a good long time.
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Of course it's selfish, imagine that you're a 10 year old kid getting home from school. You walk into your parent's room and find your mom with a gun in her mouth. Tell me that's not gonna fuck a kid up for a good long time.
Being a depressed parent will also have a negative effect on children. Is being depressed then selfish? If so, that's just another thing for the depressed person to feel bad about and spiral down into further depression, and thus have an even more negative effect on his or her children.
I still don't get the logic behind the claiming this person is being selfish.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Mark_W]
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One of my parents has been depressed my entire life, and while it has made things hard for me growing up, I couldn't even imagine coming home as a child and finding my mom dead by her own hand. People have little to no control over depression, putting a gun in your mouth is a choice. If you have children then their well-being is your responsibility.
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People have little to no control over depression, putting a gun in your mouth is a choice. If you have children then their well-being is your responsibility.
I agree, but what if someone commits suicide because they feel like their life and depression is making things harder on their family than their death would? I'd imagine this is the mindset of many suicidal people. We can claim they're wrong, but selfish?
When someone does something selfish, its assumed that they benefit in some way at the expense of others, right? What is the benefit of killing oneself? Since nobody knows what, if anything, awaits us after death, how can we make the assessment that this person has selfishly gained something at the expense of others? All we know is that they did lose life, and if we value our lives shouldn't we pity them?
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Mark_W]
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Existence itself is selfish in nature, death is the ultimate good in the world. Trying sitting down to eat everyday thinking of who is going to starve to death, going to a swimming pool as ~2 billion people cannot find fresh water to drink. The reason is what matters when it comes to dying. If you kill yourself out of anguish, that is the most misguided and selfish thing I could imagine. There's only one way to make sure things will never get any better...
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People have little to no control over depression, putting a gun in your mouth is a choice. If you have children then their well-being is your responsibility.
I agree, but what if someone commits suicide because they feel like their life and depression is making things harder on their family than their death would? I'd imagine this is the mindset of many suicidal people. We can claim they're wrong, but selfish?
When someone does something selfish, its assumed that they benefit in some way at the expense of others, right? What is the benefit of killing oneself? Since nobody knows what, if anything, awaits us after death, how can we make the assessment that this person has selfishly gained something at the expense of others? All we know is that they did lose life, and if we value our lives shouldn't we pity them?
I understand your point, it's impossible to rightfully judge someone that's going through things that I couldn't imagine. I can't relinquish my view that it is something that damages the ones that the person loves however.
My mom dealt with depression throughout her entire life, and it has impacted me. However, a friend of mine's father had dealt with depression throughout his entire life as well. He didn't tell anyone. My friend found him in his hunting shack with a gun in his mouth. His father kept it a secret out of fear of judgment and now that decision has hurt many of the people he loved. This is an instance that I view as selfish. I agree with you now though that for the most part it shouldn't be considered "selfish".
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Existence itself is selfish in nature, death is the ultimate good in the world... The reason is what matters when it comes to dying. If you kill yourself out of anguish, that is the most misguided and selfish thing I could imagine. There's only one way to make sure things will never get any better...
I'm having a hard time making sense of your last post. Existence is selfish, but death is good? According to your logic, if death is the ultimate good then it stands to reason that it is selfish, and existence is seperation from that ultimate good and is therefore unselfish, right?
I'd agree that existence is selfish, but I wouldn't agree that suicide or ceasing to exist is selfish. How could both be selfish?
And I'm in agreement with you that we could call suicide misguided, but shouldn't we pity someone who is misguided? And if we pity them because they are misguided, how can we call them selfish at the same time? Either they are misguided, or they are selfish, but how can they be both?
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: dao727]
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People, especially parents need to realize that life is hard for some ppl, its hard for everyone its a struggle, modern society makes us feel like we're not part of the animal kingdom, but we still have to work like animals work to barely live. sometime ppl feel so bad they want to kill themselves, or die unintionally. they feel alone, and even when they're not they do, it is selfish, but its also selfish to say you have to live when you weren't given a choice to be born. Life especially modern is not the best. In my opinion humans are cruel, abnormally sick and yes, selfish. Suicide, is not a joke, if your friend wants to kill him/her self, they might not say it and do it. They might mention it jokingly, take it seriously, they might mention it frantically and pleadingly, they feel sufficated, you need to listen to thier whole story or when you leave or hangup, even if you think they sound better, they could be tying a rope. remember just to listen.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: nitroguy]
#8774983 - 08/14/08 11:05 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I say have some compassion for a desparate person and learn to forgive. My nonsensical 2cents
You are way ahead of the curve brother. Most people are so selfish that they need to blame people for doing whatever they feel they have to.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: dao727]
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one of my best friend's and roommate for 6 yrs hung himself in our attic 2 yrs ago. to this day I feel that he was being extremely selfish in his actions. I have to go on living with the memories of cutting him down. he had many many friends who miss him to this day. he deprived his friends and family of everything that is good about him. he is my friend, but a complete asshole.
depression is treatable. its universal imo, who doesnt get depressed? you OWE it to those who love you, and to those that you love, to work out your problems.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: MrBump]
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We are all autonomous moral agents. We make our own choices. How selfish are any of you for judging other peoples' decisions?
The world revolves around YOUR pain and YOUR tears. Who's selfish now?
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: MrBump]
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you OWE it to those who love you, and to those that you love, to work out your problems.
This is the crap I can't stand. It's the same as the government telling you, you have to be patriotic.
Each human owes nothing to another that is not given freely. Otherwise we are in bondage to each other. Most people only feel comfortable in bondage.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Icelander]
#8790967 - 08/18/08 03:08 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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you dont owe anyone anything.
when it comes down to it, your life is in your hands. if you get to the point where you dont want to be here anymore, noone has the right to tell you that you cant leave. your life, your choice. i dont owe it to anyone to stay here.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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When you foster a relationship of love, then commit suicide, whether or not it is selfish comes down solely to the intent of the deceased in the process of the suicide.
If someone is mentally ill, clinically depressed, then they are likely not responsible for the mental craving for their death, end of suffering, etc. That wouldn't be so selfish, even if it does hurt others, because it is an illness.
Otherwise sane folks DO kill themselves for selfish reasons. My best friend killed himself when I was sixteen, and did so simply because he didn't want to have to get a job/house/2.5kids American deal. No mental illness, simply cowardice and laziness. I think THAT was selfish, especially because it was immediately after making obligations to friends/family that would never be paid back.
Another good example. Killing yourself for fear of a 1-2 year term in the clink or a small (relatively), monetary debt; THAT'S usually going to be selfish. Especially with many close relations/children/ect. A year or two of your life in a bad situation is worth more than the mental wellbeing of all your children, friends, relations for likely the rest of THEIR lives?
It's situational. And since they've killed themselves, we likely can never REALLY know to the full extent the mindset during the suicide.
Note - I think the motivations for my friend's suicide were cowardice, but he was not cowardice. Was one of most courageous, off-the-wall, crazy sunuvabitch I've ever met. He killed himself by lighting himself on fire and breathing the fire into his lungs, dieing painfully five hours later. Compared to a gunshot blast or an intentional narcotic overdose, that's some pretty serious shit.
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Suicide is an act of self-preservation. It is the attempted homicide of a damaged part of the psyche. Unfortunately it doesn't work since the psyche follows you into the next plane of existence.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: numonkei]
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well for me personally, i wouldnt kill myself if all i had was even one loving relationship. suicide would be an option for me only if i really had nothing. and i mean nothing. because i honestly think that if i had noone, i would just sell everything i have and live a nomadic life roaming the streets and forests of this continent. i could still have happiness with that. now if i had no relationships and say i lost my legs or arms, then i think id probably off myself.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
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I always read the title as "suicide shellfish??" which intrigues me every time lol
as for the actual topic, I'd have to say that suicide appears pretty self-centered but in my opinion they
must have reasons and if they would rather not exist it's their right
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: golden1]
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#8792618 - 08/18/08 10:30 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's nothing wrong with being selfish.
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: Mark_W]
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yeah i totally agree if your a parent, if they had any scence they would go somewhere to do it where they wont be found
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: tomspeer]
#12481453 - 04/30/10 02:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, old topic.
Anywho, what's the difference between someone commiting suicide and moving across the world never to speak to his/her friends & family ever again. What if that someone moved far away, never spoke to anyone from their place of origin, died soon after, but the people in their place of origin found out 10 years later. They would be equally devastated.
I'm pretty sure it's the ol' Icelander death anxiety and the people who really are scared about what's to come with death freak out when people commit suicide or die in general. All the stories of deeply religious folks who had friends or family die act like it's any other event in life.
If you don't believe there's anything after death then it might seem kind of shitty that someone would off themselves, but who cares about that either? In that view we're just some blob of neurons and other cells, why should we necessarily care about other people (and how they'll react to our death)? Why would you get upset instead of just living up your one and only life?
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Re: suicide selfish?? [Re: fazdazzle]
#12482006 - 04/30/10 07:22 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice to see somebodies listening.
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
- John Baines
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