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 Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it?  [Re: ninjapixie]
#3863884 - 03/03/05 07:22 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are people bound by their memories and beliefs? I most certainly don't choose to believe that is the case. People change, and alter themselves regardless of their previous belief systems all the time. If its basis is applicable to this life, how much would and purported former lifestyle actually be able to affect the current one? (Note: this is in regards to reincarnation, [preincarnation and it's premise are even more difficult to understand])
Dunno, I'm constantly evolving my beliefs to be better, not to stagnate on something that simply doesn't work. I see that a feeling of permanancy in any train of thought is either known to be perfect or flawless.. If it has flaws, then continue to look for something that is infallible.
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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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People are bound by their memories and beliefs at the time. As time changes, memories and beliefs change, but one is still bound by them in the present moment.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: ninjapixie]
#3863931 - 03/03/05 07:34 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Indeed, but by the mere nature of change, (supposing that we all came to the belief that reincarnation is real)... by virtue of one's ability to change in their current existance, and their previous lifestyles not having a form of permanancy on their beliefs; Why would a past life's "memory" have any more relevance?
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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.
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A past life's memory shoudn't have any more relevance or significance then one's own memories now. It's all bound to change anyway. I think it's sad if one has to look at their past life's memories to give meaning to their present life. Isn't their present life good enough?
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: ninjapixie]
#3864097 - 03/03/05 08:02 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Remeber the past, stay in the present, look towards the future"
-me
Also, the past shapes the present regardless of it's hold on you, so in a sense our past inherently is the primary determination of our future. Dunno, the present life is never good enough.... life should never be good enough, we should never settle for good enough, that is why so many people are in a slump. They settle on that which was forged, not necessarily to their own liking, rather then forging something that could be better.
If it works, don't fix it... on the same token, if it doesn't work well enough, then make it work better.
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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.
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Yes the past shapes the present so long as you remember the past.
Life can be good enough. At this particular moment my life is more then good enough. Will it be good enough in an hour? Who knows? Maybe in a week I'll be suicidal 
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: ninjapixie]
#3864200 - 03/03/05 08:25 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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 aye, what makes life enjoyable.
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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: ninjapixie]
#3864467 - 03/03/05 09:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm using my friends comp, havent joined the site yet. I don't believe in reincarnation and but I do in the collective consciousness. Our bodies and minds are a bioligical biodegradable being. We can create the energy of sensory perception and collect it for analysis, but as far as extra-sensory perception is concerned: we don't create it and just to sense it we must expand our confined perceptions to encompass the limitless possibilities available. ie: psyachadelic drugs and/or meditation. To analyse and understand the information is even more complex. I Think that child prodigies are kids that have a heightened sense of the collective consciousness and are able to tap into the immense wealth of knowledge available, as well as being able to learn/ absorb the information easily. Some kids have one or the other: kids who are fast learners can pick things up quickly after only a little practise, kids sensitive to the collective consciousness can remember information that they never have learnt. It is no coincidence that in Tibet, where kids practise meditation, they are able to tap into the collective consciousness more easily and pick out the belongings of the previous Dali Lama for religious administrators during the test. With increasing population in the world, perhaps human being's capacity to relate to the collective consciousness is diminishing, and maybe that's what we can all sense. (the mass premonition thread) You could even go as far as to say that human being's self-destructive tendencies and desires to kill others are a method of population control and reducing the stress on the collective consciousness. Or you could go even farther to say that the planet Earth feels the stress of the collective consciousness uses natural disasters as a method of population control.
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set your sails, open
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: CeeThruMeer]
#3864501 - 03/03/05 09:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I thought of that, in the past. Then I realized that if you're going to suggest something of that nature you ought to have a full understanding of what mankind is capable of doing. For instance, it is well in the realm of man to create Tsunamis if he so desired to, simple concept of formation, just create an explosion in a particular area under sea. Same thing goes for Earthquakes among other things, Nikola Tesla had created a device which bounced back, and strengthened sound waves, which further amplified them to the extent that they created an earthquake. No time for links, PM me if you want, off to spam.
Not suggesting that this is the reasoning for any of it by far, just offering another alternative thought.
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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: ninjapixie]
#3864517 - 03/03/05 09:17 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
ninjapixie said:
A past life's memory shoudn't have any more relevance or significance then one's own memories now. It's all bound to change anyway.
Thats sorta like saying "Why learn about human history"
Your own personal (past) history (when you were born,went to school...) defines who you are today.
Knowing where we came from helps us understand why we are in the situation we are in today.
Spiritualy and physically.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: niteowl]
#3865131 - 03/03/05 11:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your own personal (past) history (when you were born,went to school...) defines who you are today
Which is what I've been saying.
The point I was making was that a past life's memory (if you have a memory of your past life) shouldn't mean more then those memories of your present life? Never said a past life memory (if you have one), means nothing.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: ninjapixie]
#3865220 - 03/03/05 11:30 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The point I was making was that a past life's memory (if you have a memory of your past life) shouldn't mean more then those memories of your present life? Never said a past life memory (if you have one), means nothing.
I don't think anyone said that either past or present "memories" has any sort of priority.
Just that both of them do exist.
Obviously the "lessons" of the current life are what we need to focus on in this life. Trying to realize what the lessons of this incarnation are may be easier if you believe in reincarnation.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: niteowl]
#3865518 - 03/04/05 12:37 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well said, niteowl.
If anyone wants more information on how reincarnation works I have several excellant links and books to recommend. There is a lot of ignorance on the subject here so study up folks! It never hurts to learn about a different point of view especially a simple belief that explains so much like reincarnation.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: zorbman]
#3865695 - 03/04/05 01:18 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Reincarnated Discordianism? Now theirs a notion for you beyond preincarnation and reincarnation by themselves. Our present selves effect our future and past selves all at once, and those possibilities effect and further deter our present being.. by the nature of that system no grand change is made but the change we induce onto ourselves. As it should be. Getting late here if you couldn't tell... when the creative juices begin to flow, or is that just insanity?
One last note. If you are sane... and can go insane.... why not outsane? Where I'm headed.
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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: zorbman]
#3865749 - 03/04/05 01:33 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you ask a spiritual teacher who you were in your past incarnations he would reply, 'Who's asking the question?'
You've avoided this question twice before which shows you either skimped over my posts not reading them, or you simply can't answer it. I'm starting to think it's the latter.
You continually claim superior knowledge by offering links and calling people ignorant, yet won't answer this simple question which will show reincarnation for what it really is.
I guess there's no point arguing with someone so attached to their life extension program.
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Quote:
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Reincarnated Discordianism? Now theirs a notion for you beyond preincarnation and reincarnation by themselves. Our present selves effect our future and past selves all at once, and those possibilities effect and further deter our present being.. by the nature of that system no grand change is made but the change we induce onto ourselves. As it should be. Getting late here if you couldn't tell... when the creative juices begin to flow, or is that just insanity?
One last note. If you are sane... and can go insane.... why not outsane? Where I'm headed.
Fnord?
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: ninjapixie]
#3865859 - 03/04/05 02:17 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can't take you seriously. I've already answered your question while you have not even attempted to answer one of mine. You haven't demonstrated even the most basic understanding of reincarnation..saying silly things like its about people returning as birds and insects.
I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to run a class on Reincarnation 101. I've offered you some resources on the subject and you seem to lazy to check them out.
Discussing this with you is pointless and you will get no further feedback from me until you show you know what you're talking about.
I'm not holding my breath.
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Edited by zorbman (03/04/05 02:23 AM)
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"Outsane". Nice word. 
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: zorbman]
#3865894 - 03/04/05 02:26 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just the reply I expected.
You can't answer it which shows you lack an understanding of eastern philosophy. It is you who doesn't understand reincarnation.
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Re: Reincarnation...do you believe in it? [Re: niteowl]
#3865930 - 03/04/05 02:38 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Knowing where we came from helps us understand why we are in the situation we are in today.
Exactly. I liken it to cosmic balance. Everything seeks to be in harmony. Most of our helpful human traits when taken to an extreme turn negative. For example, it's great to love your family (however you may define it) but if you love them to the exclusion of everyone else you've got a problem: racism, nationalism, etc. In that case you may find yourself being born as a minority to experience the negativity you created from the receiving end.
And once you've experienced that pain you are far less likely to repeat it in future lives. The specifics of the memory are gone, but that impression remains as instinct.
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