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 how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? 
#3807002 - 02/20/05 04:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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like people who have a lot of experience with psychedelics but would laugh at you if you talked about the mind expanding or spiritual effects. how someone can take one of these drugs and not see the significance of what it does is beyond me. the first time i smoked weed i had several revelations that still hold true today, yet i've met people who have smoked weed, done shrooms and acid and don't think of them as anything special at all. my psychedelic experience is limited, lots of weed, nitrous, a couple low dose shroom and salvia trips and one level 5 salvia trip. but these experiences have changed my life and behavior in innumerable ways. and i know my insights are real because they stand the test of time and have lead me to a much greater level of peace and happiness in my every day life. so it's a little odd for me when i meet a psychedelic drug user who dismisses the mind expanding affects as "hippie bullshit" and uses his greater experience with the drugs to invalidate mine.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Deviate]
#3807029 - 02/20/05 04:41 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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good question, i guess you could consider these people as people who are not spiritually open or somehting, or as people who are very materialistically grounded
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
#3807056 - 02/20/05 04:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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yup...its too bad too...all they would need to do is go to a dead show while they were on a couple hundreds mics of LSD and there lives would be changed forever.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Deviate]
#3807115 - 02/20/05 05:00 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You must remember that entheogens are merely chemicals. Any spiritual meaning you derive is of yourself alone. To focus on the chemical is missing the forest for the trees. Drugs are NOT spiritual...people are.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3807125 - 02/20/05 05:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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"yup...its too bad too...all they would need to do is go to a dead show while they were on a couple hundreds mics of LSD and there lives would be changed forever."
Come on, that is so cliche and so wrong. A drug cannot change your life, only you have that power. That mentality never worked in the 60s in expanding the conciousness of society and it won't work now. Taking acid and watching a rock concert is entertainment.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Deviate]
#3807126 - 02/20/05 05:03 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think some people just prefer to take the experience and try to relate it to their sober reality, rather than taking their sober reality and relating it to the experience. for them this reality is the "true" reality and the trip is just an offset of that.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3807132 - 02/20/05 05:04 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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so do you think that spiritual people can take entheogens and not get any sort of 'revelation' or 'meaning' out of the experience.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3807141 - 02/20/05 05:06 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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You must remember that entheogens are merely chemicals. Any spiritual meaning you derive is of yourself alone. To focus on the chemical is missing the forest for the tree. Drugs are NOT spiritual...people are.
Nicely put. No to offend anyone or sound "blasphemous", I've had plenty of experience with various psychedelics, and I've also had some earth shattering spiritual revelations, or at least so I thought whilst intoxicated. As I recollected them sober, I realised most were just plain nuts.....
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
#3807153 - 02/20/05 05:08 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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The entheogen is the catalyst only. For the catalyst to function properly set and setting have to be observed. A non-spiritual person would only find LSD to be a funny little high. The spiritual inspiration is derived from within ourselves. Entheogens are merely a convenient tool...like a hammer or a saw to a carpenter. Oh yes...a spiritual person can have an experience devoid of spiritual thought....like at that great Dead concert we were discussing. Entertainment is a worthy thing, though.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3807169 - 02/20/05 05:12 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice
so therefore, assuming you're not sure about one's spiritual nature, you could just give him some entheogens and based on this person's experience you could find out if he/she is spiritual or not?
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 Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
#3807193 - 02/20/05 05:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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so do you think that spiritual people can take entheogens and not get any sort of 'revelation' or 'meaning' out of the experience.
I know you weren't asking me, but in my life and experiences with psychedelics, the spritual state of mind comes when you focus on it.... If you don't choose to think that way, the thoughts will not go deeper than what they were.... But choice of thought doesn't really depend on if you are taking a psychedelic drug or not.... They just make some think deeper into things in a much more intense way.... IMO...
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3807214 - 02/20/05 05:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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haha, ya assuming one actually has the capacity to think deeply!
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
#3807259 - 02/20/05 05:32 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd like to know the deep revelations you people have experienced on mushrooms, that can't be understood another way. Every trip I've been on, from level 1 to unconscious level 5, I thought during and directly afterwards that my ideas were profound and were reaching an ultimate truth or conclusion. Upon further inspection, without bias, I don't see anything profound about the experience as it applies to reality (as much as it hurt to reach this point in the beginning). As a stand alone experience, it does induce marvel and wonder, but I find it much more fulfilling to view this as a seperate entity, other than mixing it into my everyday thoughts. I still can't come up with 1 single thing that I can take from a trip and apply it to the real world in a coherent way.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
#3807264 - 02/20/05 05:33 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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True dat~, true dat~..... 
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Deviate]
#3807321 - 02/20/05 05:44 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is the meaning of the psychedelic experience?
 
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dancing with shiva [Re: Gomp]
#3807344 - 02/20/05 05:48 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol
De-(con)struction.
the answer:
the psychedelic experience
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#3807352 - 02/20/05 05:49 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi Gomper....  For me, all experiences mean what I choose to make out of them.... Simply put....
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3807367 - 02/20/05 05:51 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good one.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: exclusive58]
#3807376 - 02/20/05 05:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't mean to sound negative, but I lost my "newbie enlightenment" several hundred trips ago. I learned to see entheogens for what they were. In answer to your question...it would depend on set and setting. It would be much easier to ask them about their spiritual views,though.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#3807426 - 02/20/05 06:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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well the main revelation i'm talking about is the fact that the reality you inhabit is built from "mind stuff". you're reality is computed by your brain and anything you see or experience can only be as complex as your brain can make it. we tend to think of our sensations and perceptions as reality but on a psychedelic our perceptions and sensations change, thus they cannot be reality, only the interface into reality that our brain creates. it doesn't take any sort of spiritual person to realize this, it's a simple intuition which happened to me the first time i smoked marijuana. i dont see what this has to do with set and setting or "newbie enlightenment" its just a simple fact that most people overlook but is impossible to overlook when on a psychedelic.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Deviate]
#3807451 - 02/20/05 06:10 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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perhaps am i just really good at interpreting my experences and people who dont find meaning in smoking marijuana just suck at it? even the experience of being drunk has meaning, it proves that your inhibitions are not an inherent part of your existance. i had that revelation the first time i got drunk.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Deviate]
#3807474 - 02/20/05 06:14 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had some great spiritual insights on psychedelics that have helped me out a great deal, but I've also had some incredibly stupid "insights" that didn't make any sense after I sobered up. You need to use discretion and figure out what is real and what isn't. To accept the whole psychedelic experience as true is an even bigger mistake than dismissing it outright.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Deviate]
#3807489 - 02/20/05 06:16 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some people wake up from a dream, returning to 'the reality'..
Some people wake up from a dream, returning to 'the other reality'..
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In tripping, some may expand upon, other reality's, when others, "stuck" in 'the reality' .. take it for, 'unreal'... ?
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#3807526 - 02/20/05 06:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is one thing I want to add to this that kinda~ casts away expectation of a psychedlic experience.... A simple fact that there are some people that have bad trips that are forever changed in a bad way.... Would this determine a predisposition for one's Spiritualness...?
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#3807533 - 02/20/05 06:24 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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haha, ya assuming one actually has the capacity to think deeply!
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Deviate]
#3807734 - 02/20/05 07:15 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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how someone can take one of these drugs and not see the significance of what it does is beyond me
Your revelations must not have been too profound if you cannot understand that others are different and that you are not the touchstone upon which others measure their experiences.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Swami]
#3807772 - 02/20/05 07:23 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i understand that others are different and i can understand why some people may not find the experience at all spiritual or religious but what about the simple discovery that way you see and hear can be changed by a chemical? it can only mean that the reality you experience is just that, experience and you are only indirectly experiencing "external" things. isn't that a simple matter of logic? it's a conclusion which can easily be reached without the use of drugs as it is realized that anything you percieve must first be converted to electrical signals and interpreted by the brain.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Deviate]
#3807856 - 02/20/05 07:42 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you base it on "logic" it would seem that most everybody's logic is different as well.... It is all based on one's individual perception....
Some people find Spirituality thru music, the "vibe".... But, we do not all have the same tastes in music either.... That does not seem logical, but it is.... Individual perception, and choice based on experience and one's exposure....
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#3808704 - 02/20/05 11:01 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's precisely these most simple, basic questions that people ignore, the questions dealing with the nature and state of our very existence. Many people live in their own little imaginary, egocentric worlds governed by their own arbitrary boundaries (others fully embrace the physical world and live well in it, and others still transcend the physical world of boundaries and limitations).
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: the_phoenix]
#3808921 - 02/21/05 12:46 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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it frustrates me to no end when those that clearly have been blessed to see clearly but discredit any enlightenment as just a hallucination, it was just the drug to them...  whatever.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: The_Green_Glow]
#3808929 - 02/21/05 12:47 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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they need to die
lol, not like that...
i mean if they had a taste of death, then they'd understand. that usually does it for most folks.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experience? [Re: Deviate]
#3809091 - 02/21/05 01:19 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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30+ years after my first Psychedelic Experience and nobody has ever been able to take the Meaning from me. Those who have minimalized, recreationalized or outright dismissed the Experience (like my owm biological brother who became an establishment square and a lawyer) are simply not my friends anymore. They were incapable of changing their identities to accomodate The Experience. Even one of my few childhood friend - one whom I shared Grateful Dead concerts with, whom I turned on to hashish and LSD myself some 33 years ago, still regards The Psychedelic Experience as "a lot of fun," but admits of no more, spiritually speaking. He is a Greek Orthodox Christian, and while I see much that influenced his theological tradition from the Eleusinan Mysteries through Plato to the Church Fathers, he cannot shake his modern conservative attitude.
I have known many individuals who were acid users and who dismissed their Experiences because they were faced with modifying their entire identities: materialists who realized that they were conscious energy, Jews who realized the Truth about Jesus, egotists who realized that they needed to die - and be reborn, etc. Most of them never took the plunge, and the plunge for me, amounted to a baptism and a rebirth.
I used to want to become Enlightened...well, compared to who I used to be, I became Enlightened, and compared to my peers who became fossilized in their status-seeking and pathetic consolation prizes of life - their BMW cars which assured them that their lives were 'successful,' if not meaningful, fulfilled, or joyous, I became more Enlightened than they have. I have much materially, but I have even more spiritually, and I feel their loss, and my loss of their companionship. They do not appreciate that practicing 'ego death' via The Psychedelic Experience is necessary practice for the real deal when it comes, and nobody knows when it comes.
You will feel the loneliness and the loss but do not join the ranks of the unawakened. There will always be those of us to remind you. I have struggled thusly for over 30 years with your lament.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#3809330 - 02/21/05 02:31 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have had my day with psychedlics. i don't know how i feel about them. the science behind them is amazing, and is what interests me most, esp the power of LSD on the human mind.
as for the spiritual aspect of it. for some, it does something in the positive, but for others no. its really hard for me to say that there is a rightful place in this world for them, esp LSD.
i honestly don't know if LSD is really an incredible gift, or just some fucked up shit. i've met solid, in tune people that are spiritually there, and refuse LSD, and the rest of em. even denounce it. and these are people i would assume would have a symbiosis with it. its a hard call.
alot of that "take LSD at a dead show" belief in changing your life is somewhat skewed. there is alot of hippie (don't really like this word) bullshit around, especially today. i'm not denouncing hippies, but the "hippie" lifestyle takes many forms, some better than others.
in today's parking lots, and at festivals (i mention these places because they're quasi-psychedelic epicenters) , there's a lot of bullshit and its definitely is impure. not everyone, some good souls still around. but plenty of shitheads who just like to get high. i used to be one of em. i wasn't enlightened. i was just seeing shit.
i don't think anybody needs lsd to be enlightened. if you take it, its your decision. everyone has (or should have) that choice as it is their life. i don't want to knock anyone who enjoys these things, i did, but i honestly wouldn't call it a spiritually enlightening journey, looking back i could have done it without them. just my 2 cents
don't really know where i am going with this now. hmm
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a) you have to be a good listener.
b) you need to go back often enough to access the other states, as they are not available except in forgotten dreams.
c) the souvenirs are worth less than the trips. most forget that.
d) spritual materialism is pointless.
e) you have to be a good listener and want to go back.
kind of a circle that needs to be followed
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: redgreenvines]
#3827092 - 02/24/05 01:19 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had a friend who took mushrooms only once. Before she ate them, everyone was telling her how "you'll never be the same... it's all different now!". She ate them, tripped, but didn't feel any different. I think everyone set her expectations up. At that time I hadn't really had a 'spiritual' trip, but I had gone very insane at times. So while she and all my friends were in the bedroom playing with the blacklight and hilighters, I was walking around my neighborhood, sitting in some strangers backyard and listening to words of wisdom from a windchime and toads ("teach me nothing again!") while staring at the light-polluted sky of Tampa bay. That was my first spiritual trip ever. I realized what I hadn't realized on my previous trips; that there is no TRUTH out there, there is no key. Life is simply beautiful.
Before this I had gotten all twisted up in this alternate reality, thinking that it was different and real ("the walls really do move!"). the following is an exerpt from my tripping journal:
"Because once the facination with the sensation wears away all you can do is figure out new games to play in the tub and in the yard, and most importantly, in your head. Because familiarity breeds contempt and don't you forget it! Keep everything you love sacred and take the world in moderation. This important advice here, are you listening?! The walls don't really move! THis is not the real world! THis is NOT how things really are! You are not learning anything! You are not thinking more clear! It's just the fucking mushrooms!... Enjoy the experiance and let it sooth your soul, but don't take a goddamn thing to heart that you see here. Let it make you more peaceful and more loving and good, but don't you DARE extract ideas from it. All your thoughts are twisted and fucked up. Your perception is fucked up!..."
The funny thing about this is that it applies not just to tripping, but to sober reality also! And that is what I learned! I learned that beauty was already in the world and that you only have to look at it right! I don't need mushrooms to be close to God, but it's a ritual that helps me focus on that relationship.
I've noticed that the first trip is not usually life changing (and if it is it's never in a good way). You usually have to take the psychedelic journey to do this. Changes are not always spiritual in nature, but there are always changes with every new experiance.
The simply answer to your question, 'why don't some people get spiritual when they trip?'. It all depends on what you put into it and what you expect. "Garbage in, Garbage out". Some people get scared, paranoid, confused. They can't focus of the living, loving god in that mindstate! So psychedelic spirituality may not be for them...
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: dr0mni]
#3827694 - 02/24/05 03:59 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Heh... I don't want to get WAAAY into this, so I'll just say this:
I feel sorry for them, because they were on the verge of something incredible; which their own brain will probably never allow them to come that close to again.
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exclusive58
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: JacquesCousteau]
#3827733 - 02/24/05 04:05 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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haha, what a great answer JAcques.
indeed, its just too bad..
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: redgreenvines]
#10393374 - 05/25/09 12:02 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said:
a) you have to be a good listener.
b) you need to go back often enough to access the other states, as they are not available except in forgotten dreams.
c) the souvenirs are worth less than the trips. most forget that.
d) spritual materialism is pointless.
e) you have to be a good listener and want to go back.
kind of a circle that needs to be followed
a wheel of patience
Agreed.
(yaya I know I bumped an old thread)
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Poptart]
#10394110 - 05/25/09 02:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I guess because I'm not spiritual in any way I never see a "bigger picture" from taking Acid or shrooms. I just take them like any other drug.. At that particular moment I just feel like tripping... But I will say after a nice trip I do feel very clear headed. Kinda like I have a clean slate? It's hard to explain. But every month or 2 months or if I am alittle stressed from work or money or women I will take a nice trip. Afterwards I feel soo clean. Like my brain just took a shower haha. I don't believe in god, heaven, the devil, hell, karma, mojo, voodoo haha anything like that at all... I've never had a "spiritual awakening" or epiphany or anything like that. I just trip balls have a few laughs and call it a night.. I just like to have a good time tripping with friends, doing something fun and making a nice time out of it. I love going to 6 Flags while tripping. I went bungee jumping tripping before. Always do 6 Flags Freight Fest on acid haha. Stuff like that. O yea just a reminder if you ever trip at 6 Flags DO NOT DO IT WITHOUT HAVING A FAST PASS... I can't stress that enough. Standing in line for 2 hours with a head full of Acid is def not fun..
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: 79towncar]
#10398980 - 05/26/09 12:16 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I read about these monks who meditate by focusing on feeling compassion for every living thing in the world. Some scientists put them in an fMRI scanner and showed them pictures of injured kids and things like that. The empathy regions of their brain went nuts compared to other people. The meditation changed the neural structure of the brain. It lubricated the monk's minds for empathy. And I feel like my shroom trips affect my brain similarly. On shrooms, everything feels so meaningful and consequential and elicits such powerful emotion. And I feel like my thoughts are much less restricted. When I trip I bring in my existing worldview and think hard about it. I often have new ideas, but sometimes I just let the old ideas sink in a little more, and it affects me when I'm sober.
My basic beliefs are the same before psychedelics, but my emotional connection to things and my attunement to experience is much stronger now, which helps me make my worldview more meaningful I think. Much like the meditating monk, mushrooms give me the tools to cast my patterns of thought to my liking.
I definitely agree that the experience comes primarily from the individual. Shrooms lubricate the mind but the mind does what it does or what you choose it to do.
Personally, I feel almost nothing transient about tripping. It's not like a dream that is illogical when you wake up. On shrooms, I sense hyper-clarity and hyper-reality.
I see tripping less of a fun distortion of reality and more of an exploration of all the fun that reality can offer. And that's partly why I feel like it has lasting therapeutic effects. Because the feeling that reality is awesome persists even when the drug wears off.
I've barely reached level 3 though. Can't speak for higher dosage, but I'm not convinced that I need to push it further.
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Re: how do you feel about people who have tripped but dismiss the meaning of the psychedelic experie [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#10411129 - 05/28/09 01:20 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said:
nice
so therefore, assuming you're not sure about one's spiritual nature, you could just give him some entheogens and based on this person's experience you could find out if he/she is spiritual or not?
Sounds like a witch hunt to me.
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Huehuecoyotl said:
You must remember that entheogens are merely chemicals. Any spiritual meaning you derive is of yourself alone. To focus on the chemical is missing the forest for the trees. Drugs are NOT spiritual...people are.
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