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 tomk
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 Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!!  [Re: thenewuser]
#3550422 - 12/27/04 11:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"You say that is bad info yet you offer nothing in return. (NO DOSAGE INFO)is a fine beginners dose. "
Yes, but before taking a (NO DOSAGE INFO)dose, a test must be done, taking a normal dose, and then a (NO DOSAGE INFO)mg dose, over a period of several days. Like this. Day 1 (NO DOSAGE INFO)mg. Day 4 (NO DOSAGE INFO)mg. Then, if you don't have a mild allergic reaction, go ahead and trip. Not just jump in at 300-400 mg.
"Those negitive things do happen to me and my buds and users on this site"
Right, but other negative reactions could happen too. As someone presenting perhaps the only resource on DXM someone will see, it's your responsibility to make sure they are prepared for all possible contingencies. It's not enough to list some common problems and throw up your hands and say "thats enough"
""Do not take DXM while on any kind of drugs.", am I suppose to list everything they are not suppose to do?"
Yes. Short of that, you could link to a list of OTC and prescription meds that effect serotonin and the liver enzyme in the metabolic pathway of DXM. Short of that you could differentiate between prescription and recreational drugs. People are going to read you say "Don't take DXM with other drugs" and then read about your using DXM and shrooms together, and think it's a DARE type warning, to be safely ignored. These people would not realize that only certain drugs interact dangerously with DXM and it's those that should not be combined.
"just tell me and I will add them"
Look, I don't want to write a DXM FAQ. Largely, I think it would be reinventing the wheel white made.
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Is it ironic to be arguing about the DXM FAQ in this thread?
Edited by Cervantes (12/28/04 01:46 AM)
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
#3550553 - 12/27/04 11:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I list other guides in my guide that covers all of that, if you don't like my guide don't use it and don't suggest it to others. Many people have PM'd me and a few have given me 5 shrooms for the guide, so I'm sure it's not shitty.
I'm done w/ this thread, it's pointless to argue this.
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Edited by thenewuser (12/27/04 11:24 PM)
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tomk
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
#3550574 - 12/27/04 11:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Look, it's not about your ego. It's about if you recommend it to someone, and they are not very careful about reading every word of every link, they could die. Do you understand that? People could die or be hurt because you are offering incomplete advice.
ETA: Let me put it another way. DXM has a very complicated risk picture. Your information presents a differnt picture of the risk associated with DXM then is true. So, the people who only read your guide, and there will be such people, get a webcounter and compare the number of hits with the number of exits to your links, these people will have an inaccurate picture of DXM risk, but feel they have enough information to decide to try it. This is bad.
Maybe this could count as evidence for why DXM advice and the shroomery do not mix?
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Edited by tomk (12/27/04 11:41 PM)
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Cervantes
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
#3551223 - 12/28/04 02:02 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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OK, I have gone through the last 18 threads and edited out the dosage info because it seems EVERYBODY has forgotten the point of this thread: NO MORE GIVING DXM IN THIS PUBLIC FORUM. Link if you must... but I don't want it in this thread ANYMORE. It defeats the purpose of this thread if people can learn how to use DXM by reading it in THIS, the thread that announces the end of DXM discussion in Trip Tips.
Also, if your goal is to change my mind, your efforts may be futile, NO DXM IN TRIP TIPS has been the way I have moderated this forum since DAY ONE... and only an Admin will change my mind. If you wish to change the NO DXM rule, perhaps you should try talking to the Shroomery Administrators. If you wish to continue discussing the bennefits and risks of DXM in this thread, by all means commence.
Now that I've edited everything, and it takes time... I'm gonna' change the rules a bit in this thread... a little (I love playing mod). Anyone who posts dosage info in this thread from now on will receive a warning, then if they continue, a 24 hour BAN. You may not like the idea of no DXM in TT (go to the OTHER forum and be happy!) but them's the rules and you must obey the rules to play on this playground.
Now, I'm gonna' carefully read the posts made since I last logged on, and then, likely discuss HOW TO ARGUE WITHOUT MAKING THINGS PERSONAL... then, I may make some WARNINGS for people that haven't been abiding by the Trip Tips Forum Rules.
I do not want to lock this thread, but I will if I have to.
I do not wish to DUMP this thread, but it may come to that. If I do DUMP this thread, I promise, I will make another DXM sticky, where I say what I wish, and then LOCK it so no further discussion can happen.
I suggest those of you that are getting a little heated in here, review the Trip Tips rules, and abide by them... if you wish to have your opinion heard.
This discussion is important... I'm learning more about DXM than I ever wanted to... respect the fact that EVERYBODY may have a different opinion... respect their right to have THEIR opinion, and FOR GOD'S SAKE, DON'T TAKE IT PERSONALLY when people don't share your opinion. That is the nature of discussion... people sharing their different opinion.
I do think it would help if some (nameless) DXM fans would admit the RISKS of DXM...
I think it would help if some (nameless) DXM haters would admit that DXM is not harmful to ALL users...
After I re-read the posts, and jump back into this discussion I will start naming names.
Nobody's getting banned YET... but warnings may be issued...
Stay tuned...
After I finish moderating, I will start addressing many of the individual concerns that have been brought up in my absence.
Tread wisely and carefully,
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Cervantes]
#3551310 - 12/28/04 02:22 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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newuser: I've learned saying things like "You need to calm down on the anger." are best said when the person is ACTUALLY angry. Don't mistake disagreement for anger. I also tend to avoid rating ANYONE for a difference of opinion... although you can rate anybody for any reason you wish... but as I see it, you were the FIRST to get angry in THIS THREAD tonight. You got angry by misinterpreting what Tomk said. You are lucky you changed that trade rating BEFORE I saw it... that type of abuse USUALLY gets a HEFTY ban. For THAT, you get a warning.
Tomk: You are lightly trolling new... yeah, I know, you are passionate about this topic... but be sure to keep this discussion on the substance and off the people in the thread. I assure you, newuser's Trip Reports are a big part of the reason this thread was made. I also assure you the moderators and admins have been discussing THIS issue for a while before this post was ever made. I did not make this thread without an administrative green light. You too get a warning, for blurring the line between discussion and personal attacks.
Guys, grow up. THERE IS ANOTHER FORUM FOR DXM DISUSSION.
This is a VERY peaceful forum 99/100 days... help keep it that way.
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Edited by Cervantes (12/28/04 03:46 AM)
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Cervantes]
#3551334 - 12/28/04 02:27 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well i did delete it, and the trade thing was an accedent that's why later on I said I fixed it. I woldn't have messed w/ a trade thing, I ment general that's why I said I fixed it a few posts down, and since then i deleted it becuase I got mad for not a great reason. The ONLY reason I had a trip log here was becuase a mod made me put it here I swear man. I want to move on to other drugs anyway becuase everytime I mention dxm at leaste 3 people jump on me. That won't happen w/ salvia lsa or dmt prob.
Anyway GL out there guys and have a good one!  
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Edited by thenewuser (12/28/04 02:30 AM)
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Cervantes
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
#3551366 - 12/28/04 02:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yup. you are absolutely right... about your thread being moved in here, and THAT is why I allowed it to stay in here for a couple of days... so you could at least have your discussion before it was moved back, at risk of dumping. THAT and, I didn't want to kill the LIVETrip Report until it was DEAD.
I assure you now, the mods of ODD understand that Trip Tips is a NO DXM ZONE and will stop moving your threads in here.
Glad you're back... when you aren't arguing with Tomk, you make a good argument 
I didn't make this thread so EVERYONE would agree with me. I just made it so people would know Trip Tips has officially become DXM free... and so we could have a good, serious, self-contained discussion about it.
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Edited by Cervantes (12/28/04 03:48 AM)
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Cervantes]
#3551395 - 12/28/04 02:48 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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tomk I'm really impressed how you turned an otherwise legtimate debate into personal attacks and making public your suspicions about NewUser's DXM use...
Anyway, Cervantes in case I'm one of the nameless DXM fans you mentioned:
I used to take DXM more or less weekly, for about a year. It was actually my first psychedelic, and since then I've tasted so many different psychedelics I can't even remember them all. Anyway, DXM did have negative effects on me:
- depersonalization
- mild depression
- persisting "floaters" in my vision
- taking DXM is pretty antisocial unless your friends are all into it
- a couple bad trips (one panic attack, one overwhelming experience)
- I have seen a couple people trip for 2-3 days because they lacked the enzymes needed to break down DXM --> DXO ... they weren't pleased to be tripping for so long and thought they were permafucked
BUT... I have taken DXM at (oops no dose, so lets just say a very reasonable dose) perhaps 40-50 times. The majority of these were refreshing, exciting, interesting, fun, experiences. Some of them were deep, entheogenic, and completely psychedelic.
I am convinced that the problems I had came from overuse. I have also taken too much LSD in certain times and it had negative effects on me, and I consider that the #1 psychedelic, over mescaline shrooms DMT, whatever. MDMA has made a noticeable and negative effect on my brain, and I've taken less MDMA than DXM by a long shot.
All in moderation. Like I've been saying, no DXM discussion is fine... there are other forums to discuss that. I just really don't get why DXM is being singled out.
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
#3551432 - 12/28/04 03:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think it's becuase it's less likely that 16yr old will have access to the forum that you can talk about DXM, like I said on page 1 or 2, I 100% agree with this.
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bluedolphin said:
Well Cervantes you can say scientific research disagrees with me, but having read probably the same stuff you have, I have to disagree with you.
But this isn't about the health issues involved because I doubt any of us here are really qualified to provide an accurate and original assessment of DXM's health benefits/detriments. Like you've said, we just don't know. The same applies to most other psychedelics, except maybe LSD and mescaline because they've been studied so much.
What about DOB, 2C-I, 5-meo-DALT, Iprocin, 2C-T-7, Methylone, AMT, Ketamine, Salvia, 5-meo-DMT, 4-ho-MiPT, ALD-52... and the hundreds of other substances that make you "trip"? You really think we know more about most of these chemicals than everyone's favorite cough supressant?
DeepBlue... how am I supposed to know if the "bunch of pharmaceuticals" you took were entheogenic? Since you talked to Jesus, apparently they were.
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Like I said, I don't even take DXM anymore. LSD is my psychedelic ally. But it seems absurd to me for people who use some drugs to look down on the use of "other drugs"... and then even more absurd to do it based on fuzzy science and personal bias.
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BTW, I don't know if there are rules against pissing off mods in this forum or whatnot, but that's not my intent.. just a bit of healthy debate as far as I see it 
How do you know what stuff I've read? I didn't tell you. You may be right, but that is rather presumptious.
I am sorry If I have talked in shorthand with you about MDMA, I am also sorry I thought you were Organic for a while Blue
But this is NOT the MDMA thread and I'm afraid, I just don't have the time to keep the DXM rioters under controll while having ANOTHER discussion about a OFF TOPIC substance... at least not in detail... if you wish to make a MDMA thread, by all means do... but unless it involves MDMA Trip Tips, it is probably better suited for that OTHER forum.
The only point I need to make to you (In the context of this thread... no I'm not ignoring your OTHER points, they just don't serve THIS discussion, I hope you understand) is Trip Tips is for Entheogens that are physically safe, like shrooms and marijuana... and ODD is for EVERYTHING else. This line HAS NEVER NEEDED TO BE DRAWN... because, until THIS thread, people UNDERSTOOD THIS without it needing to be explained over and over again.
Trip Tips is also, for Shamanistic Entheogens (That is Terrance McKenna's phrase not mine)... the thing about the Trip Tips Approved Entheogens, is weather they be cactus, fungus or herb, they ALL make you Trip in a VERY SIMILAR way... and can all be explained quite well, by reading the Essential Links in the Tripper's FAQ.
Where I get uncomfortable, is with substances that cause Physical dependance (cocaine, heroin, alcohol, tobacco), substances that cause physical side effects in some users, substances that can EASILY result in OVERDOSE (heroin), things that can cause DEATH when mixed with other substances (DXM, GHB)...
LSD is SAFE. You can take 10,000 times the suggested dose and survive, and likely, have a cool story to tell (THIS IS NOT FOR EVERYBODY)... the SMOKE from pot will kill you before you die from THC poisoning, Your stomach would likely explode before you ate TOO MANY mushrooms.
I am not an ALL SEEING and ALL KNOWING Mod, neither are the other Trip Tips mods... hell, neither are the ODD mods, but unlike THIS FORUM, ODD is Private (Only community members who play by the rules for a while can see it), and the Moderators are willing to take on these issues.
Don't worry about arguing blue, I'm a New Yorker, I can take it. I LIVE for it. My problem is people often mistake my bluntness for personal attacks.
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
#3551471 - 12/28/04 03:14 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Organic said:
Cervantes
I understand your logic and have no problem with the no DXM posts rule in Trip Tips, though "entheogen" is subjective.
The accusation of bad info had basis, all I ask is that you refrain from demonizing a drug without any evidence, and spreading misinformation. For example, your statements that cocaine and tobacco are somehow safer than DXM. I don't hold this against you, as you said, it is not your area of expertise--however with that in mind, you should refrain from making such leaps.
Keep your goal in mind.
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I like to base forum rules on science...
Peace
I addressed some of these issues in my reply to BlueDolphin (especially an explanation of exactly what I mean by Shamanic Entheogen)... but here's some more...
just for you Organic
This isn't about me being BIASED towards any substance, it is about me, and other Mods being UNWILLING to deal with the PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES that arise from taking such substances, or being INEXPERIENCED in using and/or guiding people who wish to take those substances. We can only moderate what we KNOW and UNDERSTAND, every Trip Tips Approved Entheogen is similar in nature... at least similar enough that we Mods can feel secure that we are GIVING GOOD SAFE HONEST (and often, SCIENTIFIC) advice.
I have learned more about DXM from THIS THREAD than I ever knew before I made it.
I ask you, do you really want ME to be Moderating discussions about a substance I know so little about?
Is that smart?
Is that safe?
Is that responsible?
Now let me ask you this: If DXM posts are made in a Forum where Moderators are willing to take on such topics, where Mods have a better understanding of the substance, isn't that a BETTER PLACE TO MAKE SUCH POSTS?
Isn't that safer?
Isn't that more responsible?
This is all I am asking of you. Post in THERE not HERE. I keep saying... this isn't rocket science.
You ARE one of those people that misunderstands me... you are not the first... hell I made my signature because there are enough people here that need to read my words carefully, or perhaps would better understand what I was getting at better if you could hear my voice... instead of reading my text.
I assure you Organic, you have taken my words out of context many times in this thread, and I ask you to read what I say carefully, because there is obviously a syntax error. This IS NOT YOUR FAULT. It is not mine. Somtimes, people talk English to each other and it sounds like Swahili. I don't think we'd be disagreeing so vehemently if we were having this discussion over a beer.
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Edited by Cervantes (12/28/04 03:53 AM)
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: thenewuser]
#3551503 - 12/28/04 03:21 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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thenewuser said:
I think it's becuase it's less likely that 16yr old will have access to the forum that you can talk about DXM, like I said on page 1 or 2, I 100% agree with this.
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Cervantes said:
everything Cervates just said...
Right on.. and thanks for putting up with my devil's advocacy and clarifying your reasons for myself and others. 
peace and respect
bd
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: bluedolphin]
#3551561 - 12/28/04 03:35 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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bluedolphin said:
tomk I'm really impressed how you turned an otherwise legtimate debate into personal attacks and making public your suspicions about NewUser's DXM use...
Anyway, Cervantes in case I'm one of the nameless DXM fans you mentioned:
I used to take DXM more or less weekly, for about a year. It was actually my first psychedelic, and since then I've tasted so many different psychedelics I can't even remember them all. Anyway, DXM did have negative effects on me:
- depersonalization
- mild depression
- persisting "floaters" in my vision
- taking DXM is pretty antisocial unless your friends are all into it
- a couple bad trips (one panic attack, one overwhelming experience)
- I have seen a couple people trip for 2-3 days because they lacked the enzymes needed to break down DXM --> DXO ... they weren't pleased to be tripping for so long and thought they were permafucked
BUT... I have taken DXM at (oops no dose, so lets just say a very reasonable dose) perhaps 40-50 times. The majority of these were refreshing, exciting, interesting, fun, experiences. Some of them were deep, entheogenic, and completely psychedelic.
I am convinced that the problems I had came from overuse. I have also taken too much LSD in certain times and it had negative effects on me, and I consider that the #1 psychedelic, over mescaline shrooms DMT, whatever. MDMA has made a noticeable and negative effect on my brain, and I've taken less MDMA than DXM by a long shot.
All in moderation. Like I've been saying, no DXM discussion is fine... there are other forums to discuss that. I just really don't get why DXM is being singled out.
Doh... that comment about Tomk earns you a warning blue... For the same reason Tomk earned one (AND RIGHT AFTER YOUR LAST POST... Gaaaa IT KILLS ME ). Let's move away from the personal jabs. They are derailing this thread. Yeah I know these warnings are piddly-ass, but I'm gonna come down on everyone who trolls, however light it may be... at least until this discussion straightens out again. I hope you understand. None of these WARNINGS are meant as personal attacks, more like a cattle prod to remind you to stay in line.
Actually blue, I didn't have you in mind whan I wasn't naming names, I was only thinking of Tomk and newuser... that's all. ... but I can see why you thought I did. Until your last post, I thought you were keeping things VERY clean. Return to form, and you will be fine.
Please keep posting your opinions on DXM, but don't post your opinions about community members... (And tonight, don't even HINT at personal attacks [your post to Tomk invites an enraged response, even if that was NOT your intent], I gotta be strict to get this thread back on topic, I hope you understand. I know I am being strict... and I don't particularly enjoy it... this discussion is important. I wish to keep it on topic.)...
Ok... Ok... MDMA...
I am not a fan of MDMA, for the same reasons you mention... but for now, it seems to be fairly safe... I imagine many more studies will need to be done. It is TRUE, that the first study, the one that said MDMA fucked w/ seratonin receptors in the brain... has been COMPLETELY debunked (and the study itself was VERY BIASED from the start). The guy who conducted the study used VERY bad evidence in his report. The media still RAN WITH IT (and thus a Tall Tale was born).
For now, MDMA seems QUITE SAFE, but it does give a doozy of a come-down/hangover. I'm sure more info will be released in the years to come. Until then, I stick with what I know to be the good studies.
Science is not so friendly towards LARGE doses of DXM.
This is not BULLSHIT.
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Cervantes]
#3551618 - 12/28/04 03:54 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Actually blue, I didn't have you in mind whan I wasn't naming names, I was thinking of Tomk and newuser... that's all. ... but I can see why you thought I did."
"I do think it would help if some (nameless) DXM fans would admit the RISKS of DXM...
I think it would help if some (nameless) DXM haters would admit that DXM is not harmful to ALL users..."
I hope I didn't give the impression I was a DXM hater. I love the stuff more then anyone else here. I would gladly give up this life to live half disembodied on the third platuea 
As far as the science end of it goes I have a bit of a theory. Since only 1/3 of people are capable of having an ethnogenic experience on it, but studies start with random samples, then 2/3 of the people in the scientific studies that show harm are not predisposed to properly metabolism DXM, so of course it shows harm. I would hypothesize that if the studies were limited to the proper subsets of the population, the 1/3 who can really enjoy it would show less harm at recreational levels then the other 2/3rds.
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: tomk]
#3551630 - 12/28/04 04:00 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is that SARCASM I'm cutting through with a knife?
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Cervantes]
#3551834 - 12/28/04 09:32 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like I said initially, I understand your logic. The rocket science argument can be dropped, frankly its pretty condescending :/
I disagree with your method. I have made my stance clear, and I apologize if I misinterpreted yours, but I work with what I've got, simply letters on a screen.
I am not here to crusade for DXM.
Did I mininterpret your statements on cocaine/tobacco being safer? Something else? Genuine inquiry, because I'm sure its possible. Please repost/edit to clarify I don't want to accuse you of spreading misinformation if it was a typo/error in translation
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For now, MDMA seems QUITE SAFE, but it does give a doozy of a come-down/hangover. I'm sure more info will be released in the years to come. Until then, I stick with what I know to be the good studies.
Science is not so friendly towards LARGE doses of DXM.
What about "LARGE" doses of MDMA? Seems to me there is no 4th plateau of rolling, there is one, and after that you are in the danger zone. MDMA seems to be more harmful than DXM on the cardiac scale. But all of this seeming and betting is REALLY poor science.
We are accomplishing nothing but the opposite of what our goals should be--to spread factual information, not our opinions. Eh? I hope you see where I'm coming from, I'm not here to give you hell.
Peace again
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
#3552743 - 12/28/04 04:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you aren't here to crusade for DXM, perhaps you are in the wrong thread, or beating yourself against the wall... anyway, I'm just gonna' quote myself from no on... since it seems you missed my point again, and I am tired of repeating myself. Important text is BOLDED
This isn't the MDMA thread, so like I explained to BlueDolphin, I am purposley being skimpy on the details, make a thread about MDMA in the proper forum, if you wist to discuss it.
I'm not mad at you... you just miss my points and get offended easily. Sorry, I am trying NOT to offend... and with you, it seems to have the opposite effect. If you don't like how I say things. Talk to someone else... because I only talk like ME. I can't help it. I yam what I yam.
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Cervantes said:
I addressed some of these issues in my reply to BlueDolphin (especially an explanation of exactly what I mean by Shamanic Entheogen)... but here's some more...
just for you Organic
This isn't about me being BIASED towards any substance, it is about me, and other Mods being UNWILLING to deal with the PHYSICAL CONSEQUENCES that arise from taking such substances, or being INEXPERIENCED in using and/or guiding people who wish to take those substances. We can only moderate what we KNOW and UNDERSTAND, every Trip Tips Approved Entheogen is similar in nature... at least similar enough that we Mods can feel secure that we are GIVING GOOD SAFE HONEST (and often, SCIENTIFIC) advice.
I have learned more about DXM from THIS THREAD than I ever knew before I made it.
I ask you, do you really want ME to be Moderating discussions about a substance I know so little about?
Is that smart?
Is that safe?
Is that responsible?
Now let me ask you this: If DXM posts are made in a Forum where Moderators are willing to take on such topics, where Mods have a better understanding of the substance, isn't that a BETTER PLACE TO MAKE SUCH POSTS?
Isn't that safer?
Isn't that more responsible?
This is all I am asking of you. Post in THERE not HERE. I keep saying... this isn't rocket science.
You ARE one of those people that misunderstands me... you are not the first... hell I made my signature because there are enough people here that need to read my words carefully, or perhaps would better understand what I was getting at better if you could hear my voice... instead of reading my text.
I assure you Organic, you have taken my words out of context many times in this thread, and I ask you to read what I say carefully, because there is obviously a syntax error. This IS NOT YOUR FAULT. It is not mine. Somtimes, people talk English to each other and it sounds like Swahili. I don't think we'd be disagreeing so vehemently if we were having this discussion over a beer.
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I know you think you understand the words I have just said to you but, what you fail to realize is, what you thought I said is not what I actually meant by saying what I said, when I said it.
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Cervantes]
#3553926 - 12/28/04 08:08 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have learned more about DXM from THIS THREAD than I ever knew before I made it.
This is not personal, my goal was to dispel the misinformation.
If anyone can make it this far into the post, my goal is accomplished.
edit: spelling error
Edited by Anonymous (12/28/04 08:29 PM)
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Re: PLEASE, NO DXM POSTS IN TRIP TIPS!!! [Re: Organic]
#3554014 - 12/28/04 08:26 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well I haven't read every singal post to this but at least half...and being an ex-dxm abuser I must say that discontinuing dxm talk is a good idea.
There are PLENTY of safe dxm sites for people to read reports and inform themselves of the danger. YES dxm is a shitty drug, and a cheap high for the kiddies, but YES it can be a very useful tool if used properly. I have seen sooooo many lame ass " dxm is great" "how much of this should i drink?" that are completely unnecessary and plain redundant. Theres far far better ways to get off than dxm IMO....but to each his own.
As to everyone that said the dxm wouldnt metabolize....I believe that this is very accurate. The last 3 times I did dxm over the last 3 years I have felt like theres a soft ball traveling through my body and once it gets near the end it stops and backs up traffic heh. I have done dxm plenty of times and about 5-6 years back even danced with the devil a good 20 times on ccc. But now it seems like my body is revolted at the meer thought of ingesting so foul cherry liquid or 40 huge gel capsules. Dxm to me is like a research chemical, it should only be fucked with when you truly think you are ready to experiment with it.....not one of those " man I'm out of bud lets chug some robo"
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