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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Phluck]
    #3475506 - 12/10/04 12:32 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Another thing...
If you hadn't done enough research to know this already, why on earth would you smoke the stuff?

Why would you put something into your body that you know so little about?

Until you do the research, for all you know, it could have been insanely toxic. Sure, it actually is safe, but if you hadn't taken the time to read about it, how would you know?

It baffles me to think that people who frequent a message board about drugs could be that irresponsible.

*P.S. Sorry for being an ass, but I just woke up, and there is some truth to this.*


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Phluck]
    #3475515 - 12/10/04 12:34 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't know where people get this nonsense from.




I've noticed a trend.

Its not hip anymore to be a mushroom fundamentalist and think Marijuana is anywhere near safe.

Alarmism is ingrained and almost worshipped here.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Organic]
    #3475568 - 12/10/04 12:48 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i think that it good to do only natural drugs like weed and shrooms but unless you grow your own weed you don't know if it's natural


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Organic]
    #3475576 - 12/10/04 12:50 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I used to say that back when all I used to do was smoke a lil pot.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: spreaded]
    #3475600 - 12/10/04 12:55 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

ignorance is bliss, thats all i have to say on that matter


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Adamist]
    #3475642 - 12/10/04 01:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

On a personal level, this is essentially a decision on par with something like vegeterianism. What about people who eat only specially selected food? Ie exclusion of GM-modified foods and organic-only.

Well, sadly, it's really hard to do that unless you grow your own. Some people do do this- but what about drugs? Alot of natural-drug loving people will grow their own to make sure it's done right. What about extractions, you say? Well that essentially defeats *that* purpose of growing your own- that's like growing GM-modified veggies and using lots of chemicals. Well, suuure you grew your own, but you completely ignored *why* you're doing it.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: naturalmystic]
    #3475674 - 12/10/04 01:14 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

i think that it good to do only natural drugs like weed and shrooms but unless you grow your own weed you don't know if it's natural

Did you even read the points made throughout the thread?


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: vampirism]
    #3475680 - 12/10/04 01:15 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Ie exclusion of GM-modified foods and organic-only.

Not that there's much evidence that doing any of these things has any health benefits either...


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: vampirism]
    #3475720 - 12/10/04 01:25 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I would liken GM-foods to Research Chems: you can't really know WHAT all the effects are, because there just hasn't been enough research on the topic.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Phluck]
    #3475793 - 12/10/04 01:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Yes. There's not much conclusive evidence in either direction ( both side have good points, and personally I would like to avoid GM but I digress..), but taking precautions is not stupid - it's being cautious.

trendal- when you buy drugs you can't be sure of what effects you'll have either, because purity is uncertain- and it cannot be certain. If, for the sake of hypothetical argument, you WERE certain, then I think that it comes down only to a matter of preference.

--Sort of like deciding to drink unconcentrated orange juice vs concentrated. Sure, they may both be orange juice and have the same main components, but they were made differently and etc. Some people like one of the two, some like both.

Some people, whether placebo affect or otherwise, react differently to different forms of a drug. Some people say shrooms all work the same since they have the same active chems, while some will swear by strains.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Adamist]
    #3475812 - 12/10/04 01:43 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Adamist said:
In my own experience, MDMA and/or LSD give me more focus, clarity & peace of mind than marijuana OR mushrooms. But that's me. :shrug:




Those are the positive effects of the drug--but what goes on behind the scene? There could be negatives that you're not noticing in the short-term.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: trendal]
    #3475846 - 12/10/04 01:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, for some things, there's been a lot of research done, it really depends on the specific modification. Some groups have taken to attacking GM foods with more dogma than facts. The truth is, some GM foods seem to be perfectly safe, while other aren't. I think think a bigger problem is big corporations using GM unethically (ie. Monsanto's infamous terminator seeds):

http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/gm/

As for organic foods, I'm not really sure that the benefits are all they're made out to be:
http://www.eatfirst.org/00article9.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1210493,00.html


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Phluck]
    #3475877 - 12/10/04 01:59 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I think this story lays out the GM issue quite nicely.
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/gm/gm.jsp?id=23990100


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Organic]
    #3475921 - 12/10/04 02:10 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Organic said:
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while hash most certainly gets you higher, it perhaps does more damage than the marijuana that it was made from.




I strongly disagree. You are not burning any significant amount of plant matter, just the trichomes. In essence, the same as using a vaporizer. THC is not the carcinogenic toxin found in hash/mj smoke :wink:

Soapbar hash isn't too healthy I'm sure.




I know, I know, I mentioned this in my post.  Why don't you guys actually read it:

Quote:

smellycat said:
I think there is indeed a difference between so-called "natural" drugs  and manufactured ones.

For example, when I smoke the ganj, I'm taking it in its natural form, how it is found in nature.  Although there have been technological advances in the production of marijuana (like hydroponics, indoor growing, new strains, etc) that increase the potency of the plant, I'm still smoking it in an non-isolated or refined form.  The more someone works at isolating the THC, the easier it is to take larger doses of it, which is both good and bad: while hash most certainly gets you higher, it perhaps does more damage than the marijuana that it was made from.

In other words, I think the more isolating and altering of the chemicals found in nature, the easier it is to take in harmful amounts of it.  Too much off a good thing, ain't so good...

This argument could go the other way, too: Perhaps smoking pure THC is actually better for you than smoking the plant with all that additional and unnecessary plant matter.

This is a complex topic and I guess you can't make a broad assumption that covers all the drugs out there...so you're not unjustified about finding that statement amusing (however, I still think there is some validity to my first point).




Its just getting annoying restating shit that I DID mention.  This is like the third time.  No worries, though.

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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Phluck]
    #3476003 - 12/10/04 02:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

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Exactly.

THC itself has no negative effects at all.




It doesn't? From my own experience, marijuna makes me slow-minded, forgetful, drowsy, etc. These are TEMPORARY effects but they are negative. It makes you wonder what else is going on...

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Whoever told you otherwise needs to be smacked for being so dumb.

I don't know where people get this nonsense from.



I do. Society. DARE programs. Anyone that doesn't smoke.

I was basing my conclusion (the more THC, perhaps the worse) not on the lies of the the aforementioned groups but more on my own experiences (mentioned above). Perhaps THC isn't bad for you at all like you state, but I haven't taken the time to study this topic in depth (which apparently is "irresponsible"). If you have, show me some studies.

I also believe, like I said in my post, that too much of a good thing isn't good. Anything in excess can't be healthy. What I said previously is that in "nature" the chemicals that produce the high are sparse in comparison with those in a manufactured/synthetic/"unnatural" form, and so its easier to take too much or take more than you usually do. Maybe its also easier to control your dose, but I think some people that use hash will use it to get higher--not to achieve the same or lesser high--than when they use pot. Its like wine versus Bacardi 151. While it is not uncommon for people to get fucked up on wine, its easier to do so using 151, making it more yummy but also more dangerous.

I myself have nothing against "unnatural" drugs; I'm just a little more cautious/skeptical when using them.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: smellycat]
    #3476405 - 12/10/04 03:42 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Any drugs worth trying once...except heroin


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: overgrower]
    #3476431 - 12/10/04 03:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

that one is to be done twice !


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Adamist]
    #3476450 - 12/10/04 03:51 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Here's the simple fact:

The likelyhood of ODing off of a natural drug is almost zero, and you would have to be incredibly stupid to take so much for that to happen, whereas synthetically formulated drugs can kill you with just one dose if it's made incorrectly.

So it makes sense to stick to drugs that grow from the ground.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: Cornelius]
    #3476604 - 12/10/04 04:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

thats not true cornelius, there are many natural toxins that can do just as much damage as anything that can be synthesized. death being the ultimate damage. many things in nature can cause death, and dont need to be taken in large quantities. of course sythetic drugs can be made exponetially more powerful, so they could be considered 'easier' to OD on.


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Re: When someone says "I only do NATURAL drugs"... [Re: fresh313]
    #3476622 - 12/10/04 04:22 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

There are no natural recreational drugs that I am aware of that can kill you in reasonable doses. Yes, there are poisons in nature that can kill you very easily. No, they are not recreational drugs.


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