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 Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua...  [Re: eddyadak]
#3486181 - 12/12/04 02:37 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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eddyadak said:
and I know this because I have permission from Mescalito himself to go there anytime... and I don't abuse the privilege
Yeah thats cool. You know.. there are people who got permission from God himself to kill any nonbelievers. As long as they've got permission, sounds legit.
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: Koala Koolio]
#3487402 - 12/12/04 08:09 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good point elgr, I think those guys that flew those planes into those towers had god's blessing so it must be ok. And after all people will have more pups er kids right ? Man, what convoluted logic. Look if you're going to harvest from the wild so be it but make sure you are replenishing what you consume. By your own estimates you are eating what will take 20 years to regrow every 3 years so you are reducing the wild population no matter how responsible you think you are being. Peyote is a gift for all, make sure you put back what you take so the gift remains for generations to come.
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: eddyadak]
#3487487 - 12/12/04 08:29 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow. worst post ever.
your logic is why the logging industry is so successful "we log trees but LOOK we replant them!" meanwhile they completely destroy habitats, soils and cause pollution. and it will catch up to us one day, when we take more than the time is given to grow back.
taking something from nature that takes a long time to recover is NOT sustainable. peyote is no different.
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: Psilygirl]
#3487521 - 12/12/04 08:39 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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wow
just wow
i don't know what to say, that is the absolute height of ignorance
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: faslimy]
#3487770 - 12/12/04 09:49 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Who said anyone would make trips every 3 years? If i ever went on a peyote hunt i wouldnt consider returning, just once for the experience.... mabey again when im and old man with nothing but time on my hands. I wouldnt waste my time going to mexico and poach a endangered speritual plant unless i was to participate in a peyote ruital.
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: Gr0wer]
#3489103 - 12/13/04 02:09 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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ive said thsi before btu ill say it again. huichol indians eat teh whole cacti root adn all. i am not sure what can be doen abotu this practice. but if we coem together we can spread teh knowledge. perhaps on another plain....
so we must take as littel from teh wild as possible. as even teh natives are pouching there sacred cacti.
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Re: It's not listed endangered in the U.S.A. [Re: Psilygirl]
#4243481 - 06/01/05 11:08 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have bought and sold captive born "endangered animals". You are required to keep papers showing that they are captive produced or legally harvested from the wild, and that they were shipped to and from areas where it is legal to own them.
I know that in the U.S. it is the same with endangered plants.
BUT...A plant or animal that is endangered here won't allways be listed as endangered in another country. Laws in other countries might not require paperwork showing were they came from.
If they were endangered in the U.S. the members of the Native American churches would not only have to prove that they were members, but they would also have to keep papers showing where to peyote came from. As sneaky as our government is I'm sure they would be using this to confinscate all they can find.
It seems that peyote is endangered in the U.S.
It may or maynot be endangered in Mexico.
There seems to be a healthy and growing population in Europe.
It seems to be spreading across part of Canada.
Seeds are avalible for captive cultivation.
Would it be ethical to plant two or three young cultivated cactus at the location you havested a large wild cactus from?
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Re: It's not listed endangered in the U.S.A. [Re: cricket]
#4243550 - 06/01/05 11:30 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think it'd be much more ethical than simply 'raping' the land. But I'm not sure how well the cultivated buttons would do in the desert. You'd want to adjust them to simillar conditions ahead of time.
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Re: It's not listed endangered in the U.S.A. [Re: Koala Koolio]
#4244161 - 06/01/05 02:45 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree, this post sucks hard. There is SO much peyote growing outside of nature, some people have hundreds of buttons growing. You can buy your own seeds and grow your own. It'd be so much cooler to take eat your own home grown peyote, out in the desert.
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: esin]
#4244506 - 06/01/05 04:45 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do we humans think we have the right to destroy anything in our way so we can have our own little piece of confort?
So you give trees more respect then your own living. A gun is always available with a bullet if you feel inferior to a plant, by all means please end your life. While destroying an entire forest is perhaps wrong, clearing a forest in a way that it is allowed to regrow is ok.
So you had to kill some trees to build a house. Or you could have not built a house. I love how where we live they don't let people cut down the old oak tree that is over the house roof. One day the oak tree falls as it cannot support its own wieght on a branch and kills the familys daughter. I say fuck you environmentalists, if my daughter ever died because I couldn't cut down a tree branch I am going to buy an AK47 and kill hundreds of you environmentalist fuck heads that think a tree is more important then a family member. Seriously having seen people die or come damn close you whole viewpoint is completely jacked up.
Honestly I hate people like you. I am going to save up all this fucking money, and build my house. I love trees, plants but I have to cut some down to build my goddamn house with out risking my life and my families. I will happily replant trees, god not out of being forced but because I want them around me. Your just sick and I hope your daughter dies so you learn the value of human life means something more then a fucking plant for gods sake.
And hey above bullshit about destroying the habitat, well we need some damn wood at least we are going to do it the best we can without distrubing the habitat. Or hey better yet, how about cut no trees down here where we have fucking regulations so we actually don't destroy the habitat vs. completely destroying a third worlds country tropical rain forests! Sure we can all live in cardboard boxes, but give me a fucking break we like houses! Be fucking realistic for the love of god. You can only think about some short term goal and not the big picture. It isn't about destroying the forests, we need wood until some new space materials can be constructed from thin air.
So have fun in that cardboard box on the street. Next you are going to say don't eat vegtables since I am killing a plant.
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: Fluxburn]
#4244536 - 06/01/05 04:51 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Damn..
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: LiveByFreedom]
#4244595 - 06/01/05 05:08 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I dont even know what to say to yer post flux...I`m trying to make any enemies here so I went even get into it.
Also its much different when the tree may one day be a danger to human life (I`m sure many at this board also value human life more than a tree...well most humans anyway). Its a different story when you are taking down a 150 year old tree just for the luxury of living whre you want.
Those trees have been here much longer than you or me and yet just beacause they are the inferior being in your eyes, you believe that they are nothing more than dirt under your foot? Who the fuck do you think you are? I think he was more than justified to be upset as the trees fell.
I`ve seen your posts here and thought that perhaps you grew ethnos because you had respect for the plants and the cultures that surround them....I now see that they obviously dot mean much to you....just another way to get high eh?
And let me say that its really fucked up and just plain cold that you would wish death on someone for their opinion...thats nothing but sheer ignorance in my eyes.
As I said I`m not trying to make any enemies and the above is just my opinion on shit...dont hate me for it....I still love you  .
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
#4245384 - 06/01/05 08:13 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your assertion that trees are going around killing people by falling on them is ridiculous. How many people have fallen, rotting trees killed? Lightning kills more people. It's not like trees suddenly rot. Rot takes place over years, giving you plenty of time to run away.
The trees that we use to make houses are farmed, just like the corn that we use to make soft drinks is farmed. We don't take endangered trees that only grow in a tiny area of the country to make our houses.
Poaching endangered plants from the wild actually shows that you don't care about your daughter. You're depriving her of the chance to enjoy something that may go extinct due to your carelessness. Plants grown in cultivation can be used to replace plants lost in habitat but the genetic diversity gained over the course of thousands of years is completely lost. Not only that but cultivated plants might suffer from the problem of being selected to grow well in greenhouses but have lost the ability to grow well in habitat.
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: nookjohn]
#4245566 - 06/01/05 09:03 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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^^^Agreed. Nicely put tourist.
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: stefan]
#4245596 - 06/01/05 09:10 PM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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That would be really cool. 
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Re: Searching for Peyote Buttons in the hills just south of Chihuahua... [Re: ShroomOmatic]
#4246492 - 06/02/05 01:57 AM (7 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree, not cutting back (or down, in severe cases) a tree when it could put someone in personal danger is over the line.
Around here, the oldest trees in town have been cut down do to possible property damage (foundation, even messed up sidewalks). So, obviously things are a bit different there.
But, they wanted to cut the tree back because it was dangerous. They weren't allowed to. And then they continued to live under the doomed spot?
No offense, just asking if I'm reading it right.
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