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 Attitude Adjustment 
#3299213 - 10/31/04 12:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What does that phrase mean to you?
How many times a day, week, month or year do you find you do it, if ever?
When do you do one, why and how?
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 Zekebomb
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it means smoking weed dumbass
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gettinjiggywithit
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Re: Attitude Adjustment [Re: Zekebomb]
#3299458 - 10/31/04 01:20 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay,
I think you just became the poster child for how well weed works to adjust your attitude.
Seriously, I laughed when I read your reply. It reminded me of that 80's SNL skit, "Got a problem? Take a pill!" 
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i've had family tell me that before, but it usually means they took offense to something that i didnt mean to be offensive.
but i think its a pretty self explanatory phrase.
i only do it when i realize that my pessimism and paranoia is getting to my close friends. i pretty much start thinking "happy thoughts" and bam, everything is good.
i'm bored and i thought this might be a good break from otd.
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That terminology indicates an ongoing process I find myself experiencing constantly, and without end.
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Well yes, an ongoing process.
our life is a sequence of attitude expressions and attitude filters
both parts can be adjusted with big effort, not a simple thing.
and nearly endless task too since each moment is practically a discrete attitude.
work should start on the most re-usable components.
Most requests to adjust attitude are superficial.
Really this is the big work. It's the stuff waiting behind the meditation training where you learn relaxation and concentration.
Then the matter of addressing personality masks and "adjusting" or retraining them begins, mostly 1) pulling out hatred greed and delusion, in the expression side and 2) establishing more openness, & less specificity to the input filters when the related issues are not things like driving, typing, and other learned skills where the filters have to be sharp, but might not have to be tense....
Often the only thing adressed is the relaxation, the letting go, but that is just the input filter side, allowing more in (all the way to full on cosmic consciousness - in exptreme situations), and becoming more gentle in reacting to things (between the input and the expression side - less reactivity is a bit less expressive/responsive a temporary ego restraint).
Fixing the expression part of attitude is when the real personality sculpture comes into play, in this the middle way is very important.
Edited by redgreenvines (10/31/04 05:41 AM)
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Good stuff Red and I like how you and hue pointed out the ongoing process of it, like shaping clay into something.
I was inspired to put this up because I was noticing a lot of bad attitides around here that are doing anyone any good. Thought a lot of you who have made attitude adjusting work for you could help give others some good tools and inspiration.
I have stuff to say on it, I am having to remember what it was like to have and ongoing bad attitude "and I use to at periods in my earlier life, and how I turned the tables on them.
If I spoke from this moment, I would make it sound far easier said then done and I know its not when you are in a major rut.
I will be adding here soon.
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"i pretty much start thinking "happy thoughts" and bam, everything is good."
"Fixing the expression part of attitude is when the real personality sculpture comes into play, in this the middle way is very important."
When considering the nature of the middle way, it becomes clear that thinking happy thoughts is not enough to achieve attitude adjustment. But I understand why people might think it is; if the only thing to fear is fear itself, and if all conventionality is illusory, not really there, then isn't recognizing its inexistence enough to overcome it?
Not quite, because, as the middle path explains, conventionality *does* exist. Like a reflection on a mirror, although the reflection itself does not exist as a 3D world of living, breathing entities (like that which it mirrors), it does still exist, conventionally, as a pattern of colours on the mirror's surface.
Similarly, although our egoic minds do not exist on the same level as our conscious, fundamental minds, they do exist on their own, lesser, conventional level. We are our souls, but we are also our physical bodies. Though we strive for perfection, for transcendence past conventionality, in order to achieve this we must acknowledge the existence of our conventionality in the first place.
Unless we make this acknowledgement, then we can never transcend conventionality and our attitudes will never improve. Simply thinking positive thoughts as if nothing were the matter is evading the reality that something *is* the matter. Of course nothing is the matter with your fundamental self, but if you do not look past this aspect of your being, then you will never be able to shine the light on the darkness which remains in you.
Look at yourself acknowledging, on one hand, your fundamental ability to transcend anything conventional and, on the other hand, your conventionality which needs to be transcended. Seek out the misunderstandings in the conventional which prevent reintegration into the fundamental. What are you thinking or doing that impedes upon your potentially unlimited fundamentality?
Find out and apply the necessary corrections, taking solace in the knowledge that you WILL be HAPPIER, WISER, and more PEACEFUL for it, despite what that which you seek to transcend might have you believe.
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Quote:
gettinjiggywithit said:
I think you just became the poster child for how well weed works to adjust your attitude.
totally
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Re: Attitude Adjustment [Re: Zekebomb]
#3302832 - 10/31/04 11:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Zekebomb said:
Quote:
gettinjiggywithit said:
I think you just became the poster child for how well weed works to adjust your attitude.
totally
toadally
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Quote:
gettinjiggywithit said:
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay,
I think you just became the poster child for how well weed works to adjust your attitude.
Seriously, I laughed when I read your reply. It reminded me of that 80's SNL skit, "Got a problem? Take a pill!"
I thought that skip was on 'This hour has 22 minutes'?
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Re: Attitude Adjustment [Re: Von]
#3304232 - 11/01/04 12:06 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is this hour has 22 minutes? I thought it was SNL. Do you remember when everyone was quoting it? people would start bitching about their issues and someone would chime in "Got a problem? Take a pill?"
I think they were just reflecting the growing trend of people running to their shrinks for feel good prescriptions for minor things like coping with a bad hair day.
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have you ever seen rick mercer do talking with americans?
that has to be a huge hoot!
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I havn't seen that one, when can I catch it?
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ahhhhhh, thanks. That must be like when Leno hits the streets and asks people common questions and one out five know the answer. Funny stuff.
He asked once what Hawaiian Punch was a brand name for and one person got it right. Maybe the others get nervous and develop brain farts or something.
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basically i think there are 2 kinds of attitude adjustment, unconcious, which happens continously due to new information and stuff that causes us to change our attitudes (if good things happen you tend to adjust your attitude and become happier, and vice verse) and the other kind is concious attitude adjustment, when you catch yourself holding a non beneficial attitiude and conciously change it with various techniques.
I do this as often as i possibly can. Main one is constantly trying to remember to be aware of my surroundings instead of just day dreaming and drifting through life in a daze. another one is catching myself feeling grumpy of pissy and reminding my self how insanely lucky i am and how unjust it is of me to be unhappy when ive been handed everything on a silver platter.
Or when i get mad at someone i remember that my emotional response is my own choice, not forced on me by anything/
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Re: 22 minutes [Re: Moonshoe]
#3304783 - 11/01/04 03:19 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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hum.. do all have an attitude?
what about having aptitude?
and adjustment of that is just change?, and that again, is what we call living?
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Re: 22 minutes [Re: Gomp]
#3304845 - 11/01/04 03:32 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Attitude is what you get when you have beleif backed by a correlating emotion.
Even you have one, your attitude is one of delightful confusion never knowing anything for sure and feeling okay with that. I adore you and the influence you are on me. LOL
Gomp, out of curiousity, when you have to make a decision, how do you go about doing it?
Moon and Pheonix, thanks for adding answers to the questions! 
I have yet to add mine. 
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""when you have to make a decision, how do you go about doing it?""
could you give me an example of "have to make a decision", i just cant think of anything  again, your asking tickling questions, pleas do if possible find a general or a more complex example ?;)
edit :p"" beleif backed by a correlating emotion "" could it be only emotion correlating whit thought? why must if involve belife, if it do :P
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Re: 22 minutes [Re: Gomp]
#3305057 - 11/01/04 04:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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emotions are emotions and beleifs are intellectualized emotions. You CAN deal with them as separates and when combined, they create attitude. So when talking about attitude you are dealing with them both.
Anyway, I was wondering what moves you to either this or that. But, silly me, I will never get an answer. It's something I gotta feel out.
You would say, "If I knew, how would I know that I knew?
"Isn't this also that?"
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""If I knew, how would I know that I knew?""
no?
if i knew i would know i knew? that is the share essens of knowing is it not?
""I was wondering what moves you to either this or that""
It is always this and that. If it is something, then that something becomes this or that. I would liked if you found a descent example, but I go whit this one, let us say I was asked by a friend, what I would be doing later that night, I could answered something like, what I?m going to do later this night, I will maybe find out when I?m doing it later this night..
Another one, (can?t think of a good one to make a point I see visible, but that may be)
Say I was asked:? do you want this pack of socks, or this pack of socks.? Only difference, being the colour. I would take the one I took, as I can only take one of them, I cannot choose which one of them I want? If I could chose, I could take both. But since I could not, I chose one of them? Choosing is something you did? Not something you can do?
Could sound contradictive, but what if it is not? :P
?Misunderstanding fear and illusion clear away ignorance?
-unknown :P
so what moves me to either this or that, is either this or that?
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im interested by your idea that beliefs are intellectualized emotions... care to go in detail? im not quite getting it
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Re: 22 minutes [Re: Moonshoe]
#3306346 - 11/01/04 09:20 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't want to over complicate it.
Any beleif you have was generated and gelled by an emotional reaction to something.
good feelings generate and gel beliefs and then the beleifs generate more good feelings.
bad feelings generate and gel beleifs and those beleifs generate more bad feelings.
Take a situation and apply this.
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what seperates an idea from a belief?
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Re: 22 minutes [Re: Gomp]
#3308338 - 11/02/04 10:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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makes sense. thanks
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Re: 22 minutes [Re: Moonshoe]
#3308418 - 11/02/04 11:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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(Ooops, not nescessarily adressed to last reply)
I see emotions as deep resource modifier for believes, but ever in care that emotions can intellectually falsify an idea which becomes a belief. So I would not really rely on emotions as justifications for beliefs, but they can help you find your way. Try to intellectually countercheck.
Believes built on emotions only, are in general at least dangerous.
So my attitude stays with the greeks: Panta rei (everything is flowing) - new facts, new contexts, new emotions -> modified attitudes (with the assumption of uncertinity, which brings some stability herein)
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belief vs idea [Re: Gomp]
#3308594 - 11/02/04 12:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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anything can be an idea
a belief is an idea that you hang other ideas on,
when you get old they begin to sag but many are still eager to suck on them
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so, if do not hang other ideas on an idea, you don't belive?
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Re: belief vs idea [Re: Gomp]
#3308632 - 11/02/04 12:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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so, if do not hang other ideas on an idea, you don't belive?
exactly
you are one step closer to creation
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