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 Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society?  [Re: GazzBut]
#3164926 - 09/22/04 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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isn't it tea time Gazz?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3165011 - 09/22/04 03:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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"my god has a bigger dick than your god"...
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3165037 - 09/22/04 03:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually, Innvertigo, I need to correct you on something: The majority of Muslims do not live in the Middle East. Indonesia is the largest Muslim country in the world, and it has long prided itself on being a moderate Muslim nation. There are several other Muslim countries in Southeast Asia and Africa, and I think you'd have to factor in all these Muslims to get a clearer idea of "mainstream" Islam. I'd say the Middle East is where you tend to find the majority of Muslim extremists, which is one of the main reasons why people tend to associate Islam with that region.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Phred]
#3165074 - 09/22/04 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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pinksharkmark said:
Seuss writes:
I could make a pretty strong argument that none of the advances discovered in the last 100 years would have been posible without contributions from the arab world... it is just that the arab world contributions are much older.
But the question is not what have arabs contributed, but what have those who follow the Religion of Peace? contributed. Mohammed was born in AD 571 and died in AD 632.
Stuff discovered by pre-Islamic Arabs isn't under discussion here.
pinky
Pre Islamic Arabs burried their female babies alive, married their mothers and sisters, and fought tribal wars while completely drunk off their rocker.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3165080 - 09/22/04 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Your ignorance of Islam is fairly obvious. Only 18% of Muslims in the world are actually Arab. Keep tryin', kid.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3165309 - 09/22/04 04:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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dave chapelle is a muslim...his show is really funny
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3165314 - 09/22/04 04:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He's not a Muslim.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3165324 - 09/22/04 04:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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and his show is not funny
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Stein]
#3165338 - 09/22/04 05:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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We actually agree on something.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Innvertigo]
#3165800 - 09/22/04 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ESCAPING ARAB FAILURE
By RALPH PETERS
April 23, 2004 -- WE shouldn't be discouraged by the recent round of violence in Iraq. It was predictable. But there were two disheartening signs:
* We should be troubled that, in this bloody month, none of the insurgents waved an alternative constitution - unless we count their perversion of the Koran. None of those violent men is fighting for freedom - they're fighting to strangle liberty in the cradle. They are, without exception, forces of reaction, not liberation, no matter how madly al-Jazeera twists the facts.
* Nor did the general Arab population or its leaders take a public stand against those who would renew their oppression. And those who will not defend their own freedom do not deserve to be defended by others.
Operation Iraqi Freedom has been, among other things, an attempt to give Arabs hope for a better future. The ultimate outcome won't be known for years, but we must prepare ourselves for the possibility that the Arabs are going to fail themselves again.
With sufficient troops, we can force Iraq's Arabs to behave. But we can't force them to succeed.
Ultimately, Iraq is not a test of the limits of American power. When necessary, we can do whatever must be done for our security and prosperity. Our use of force, in Iraq and elsewhere, has been remarkably - even foolishly - restrained.
If Iraq collapses into medieval fantasies and blood feuds, we still may be proud of having given this crippled civilization a last, great chance to heal itself. We've made mistakes, but their impact is minor compared to the unwillingness of Iraq's Arabs, Sunni or Shi'a, to build a free and civil society of their own.
In the United States, campus-generated political correctness was never more than a joke - capable of turning somber conservatives purple but unable to alter anything that matters. The far more dangerous form of political correctness is that which prevails in the dream-world of diplomacy: We pretend that all civilizations have equal merit.
But they don't. It's time to face up to the functional and moral collapse of the Arab world - if we can't describe the problem honestly, we shall never deal with it effectively.
Arab civilization has failed.
Disguised in part by the trappings of oil wealth, the Middle East has become humanity's sinkhole, less promising, if richer, than Africa. But no facade of garish hotels in the hollow states that line the Persian Gulf, and no amount of full-page advertisements funded by the Saudi government, can hide the truth any longer: The Arab Middle East has become the world's first entirely parasitical culture; all it does is to imitate poorly, consume voraciously, spit hatred, export death and create nothing.
Arab civilization offers its people no promising future, only rhetoric about a past whose achievements have been as exaggerated as they were impermanent. The present is a bloody, heartless muddle.
For all the oil wealth and expatriate university degrees, for all the hired-in expertise and Western "engagement," Arab civilization has degenerated to a point where it provides the rest of humanity nothing useful of its own design - while offering its own citizens only a culture of blame, corruption and lethargy.
It's a matter of culture, not race. In the free atmosphere of America, Arabs do as well as anyone else. All populations have their share of talent - but the oppressive environment of the Middle East enervates those individuals it does not crush entirely.
Iraq has been given a chance to break free of the thrall of a bankrupt culture, to establish a rule-of-law democratic government observant of human rights. But the chances are increasingly good that Iraq's Arabs will fail to achieve and maintain even minimal standards of good governance.
The time has not yet come, but, contrary to the sort of diplomatic wisdom that so long protected Saddam, we can walk away if Iraq's Arabs refuse to help themselves. And we can break up the country to protect the Kurds - a far better solution than turning Iraq over to the venal brokers of the United Nations.
The failure of Arab civilization in our time is the greatest such disaster in mankind's history. And, bitter though we find the proposition, the failure is so colossal that it cannot be neatly contained. Whether in Iraq today or elsewhere tomorrow, we cannot fully extract ourselves from this problem simply because our enemies won't let go.
If Iraq chooses failure, we can leave. But we'll be back, somewhere in the Middle East. Because, as we saw on 9/11, the Middle East will continue to come to us. Blame is the opium of the Arabs, and the sweetest blame for their failures is that directed at the United States (and, of course, Israel). It is our power itself, not its uses, that enrages Arabs trapped in their self-made weakness.
The oft-cited examples of the Arab world's problems, from a lack of interest in secular education and a poor work ethic to staggering corruption and the oppression of women, are symptoms, not root causes, of Arab failure. Past a certain analytical point, we come up against the wall of our own taboos - we cannot admit that the psychological premises of an entire civilization might be dysfunctional. Arab failure isn't about that which has been done to the Middle East, but that which the Middle East has done to itself.
Iraq still has a chance, if a slimmer one than we had hoped. But even if Iraq's Arabs disappoint our ambitions, our efforts will have been worthy and our losses not in vain. Intervention was unavoidable, whatever the critics say. Continued passivity in the face of the Middle East's implosion would only have made the price higher in the end.
We all would be better off were the Arabs to surprise us by building healthy, prosperous, modern societies. We would be foolish not to wish them well. But we would be equally foolish not to prepare ourselves for the consequences of their accelerating failure.
Ralph Peters is the author of "Beyond Baghdad: Postmodern War and Peace."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04232004/postopinion/opedcolumnists/19362.htm
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Go that 15 minutes, with an open mind...you can do it!
Well I find your retorts amusing considering your original post was essentially the dressing up of a put down. In the throws of which you spend more time talking about Muslim terrorists than asking a simple question; and yet when anyone else broaches this same subject matter you deem they are going off track.
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While I don't hate muslims (the average muslim who holds the beliefs that "allah" supposedly teaches, which is a small minority.)
So the average muslim is a small minority?
Do some research man
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I do dind it harder and harder to understand what their goal is as a culture. The one goal I know they have is the elimination of Jews and those that are allied with them (Zionists, infedels or what other key phrases that ignorant people use) for the mere reason they aren't them.
'The one goal I know they have is the elimination of...'other cultures'..'for the mere reason they aren't them.'
Sounds like you reading some US Administration rhetoric into Islam.
Do some research Propaganda Boy.
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What inventions are they coming up with to provide it's people with an easier life? I honestly don't know.
Comfort being the main goal of your life...no wonder your outlook is so infantile and demanding.
Well one thing they have certainly provided modern society with is a challenge, one you are rising to rather poorly.
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99.99999999999999999999999% of terrorism is caused by these dosile people
So your mainstream Muslim, who is not the average Muslim, yet is in the majority and still further yet does not belive that 'allah' teaches - these are the people doing all of this?
Convoluted xenophobic bullshit or what - do some research!
hey, and ok, a mosque of 300 may not be massive by Meccan standards, but at the end of a row of terraced houses it is pretty freakin big, and a lot larget than the christian church 200m up the road.
And you beleive the Mosque's congregation are not mainstream muslims? I guess not by that convoluted way you look at the culture, fashioning it to your fears.
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Mainstrem muslims live in the middle east.
ok right. Look simpleton - go do some research. Of the 'billion or so' you quote, a lot actually live around the world. Hey are you actually trying to tell me that some wierd cult extremists live 15 mins down the road from you? No wonder you are scared. Wake up Propaganda Boy!
It seems that despite my global travels through several muslim nations, and now living in a city of nearly 20 million with a massive muslim population, and actually within a million strong district with at least a third of that being muslim. (While in the microcosm) working right next door to a mosque that towers into the sky, on streets with largly muslim owned shops and houses amongst the many faiths present.
It seems that despite this you believe I have not experienced mainstream Islam, only the minority? Do some research please! Look at the real world man, not some piped-paranoia-pulp-feed-tv.
Try to stop thinking in 2D - yes that bit from my first post that you had trouble with - it does have import.
'What have muslims contributed to modern society?'
Well modern muslims have quite clearly contributed a challenge to you, as I said, you are not doing to well on that one though.
Muslims as the larger entity reaching back into time (as in the question) have contributed many things we rely on as primary ingredients for the functioning of all modern thought and technology.
Do some research...open your eyes...turn off the TV....go down the road with an open mind- you CAN do it!
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 Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society [Re: Great_Satan]
#3165987 - 09/22/04 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh please.....I almost cried. How noble and just the US government and military has been in its recent graciousness toward these now ungrateful Iraqis.
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If Iraq chooses failure, we can leave. But we'll be back
until the oil runs out anyway
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from a lack of interest in secular education and a poor work ethic to staggering corruption and the oppression of women,
might as well say this about the 'West' too, of the not too distant past. Why was that ever allowed to evolve?
There are extremists on both sides of this cultural divide, today. That is more like the problem blocking a peaceful future than any one culture in itself.
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The time has not yet come, but, contrary to the sort of diplomatic wisdom that so long protected Saddam, we can walk away
Which nation entered the 'love affair' with president Saddam???
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Iraq has been given a chance to break free
Some 'chance' the US government has given this lot! Some chance! Heheheheheheheheheh
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Innvertigo]
#3166102 - 09/22/04 07:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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C: you misquoted Gazz quite substantially
I: No shit!
oh, and please try to stop deliberately misquoting people....
Putting words into their mouths, one might say, is an extremely poor tactic.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3166121 - 09/22/04 07:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Zahid said:
He's not a Muslim.
yes he is... not a hard liner, but he is muslim....
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3166156 - 09/22/04 08:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Does he pray?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: KingOftheThing]
#3166452 - 09/22/04 09:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He is not a muslim unless zahid says he is. What have muslims contributed, please?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
#3166460 - 09/22/04 09:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What have you contributed?
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: Zahid]
#3166516 - 09/22/04 09:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I built a few houses and came up with a few ideas about how to do it. I'm petty clever for a slacker. What have several million bending-over five times a day whackadoos contributed in several hundred years? That IS the theme of this thread, not what zappaisgod has done. Feel free to pop up with something.
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Re: What have muslims or islam contributed to modern society? [Re: zappaisgod]
#3166538 - 09/22/04 09:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, for starters Muslims pay Alms.
What have people with your agnostic/atheist beliefs have done?
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