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 CosmicJoke
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 Re: Is it possible to change the past?  [Re: cleaner]
#3127833 - 09/13/04 01:28 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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who's asking the question?
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 cleaner
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: Shroomerious]
#3128860 - 09/13/04 11:43 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomerious said:
Conclusion------------>WE NEED TO PERCEIVE MORE DIMENSIONS!!!! 
 <------------------->This is what we are.
Brilliant replies folks, absolutely brilliant
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: cleaner]
#3128981 - 09/13/04 12:46 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
cleaner said:
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Shroomerious said:
Conclusion------------>WE NEED TO PERCEIVE MORE DIMENSIONS!!!!
<------------------->This is what we are.
Brilliant replies folks, absolutely brilliant
I don't get it - why are we Kodamas though? 
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: ivi]
#3128995 - 09/13/04 12:51 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh, actually I don't know what a Kodama is but it is exactly the same as in the Pink Floyd movie "The Wall". If you see it you'll understand I think.
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: cleaner]
#3129051 - 09/13/04 01:03 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am saying that we can percieve more dimensions. They are only subtly different then this one and you do it all of the time and don't even know you are because there is this idea that other dimensions are radically different spatial places apart from this one, "in a physical sense". They are really just dimensions of counsiouness made up of light patterns that our thrid eye can translate into identifyable pictures of form like we see here with our physical eyes.
With that said, take marks idea of the cars on the road and the helicopter that can see where they all are and all of the roads to take from up above.
Like shroomerious posted we are bunch of multi D percievers as displayed by the multiple bodies.
You have a higher self in the helicopter, you have a self far back on the road, one in the car where you are now and selves up ahead who have taken many other roads. If you tune into your copter perspective you can see what those other roads lead to and give the guy far behind on the road or the one you are perciever yourself as now a traffic update of which roads to take.
Enter the post on black holes related to time travel. We have chakras beyond the standard 7, that act as interdimensional portals for conscious time travel. A chakra is a spinning vortex like a double sided black hole with a white holes. It's through these that we can time travel consciously.
They key to adopt here is realising you have already been living via the method and havn't even been conscious of it. start paying attention to the moments where you pause due to gut feelings that are telling you to make a different choice. It's happening then. Tune in to the multiple percievers of the self.
About changing the past, if you went back in the physical, you would not change this now, because it would result in a new time line shoot. But, if you go back and just change the energy through rewriting it in your mind, it can have a profound effect in this time line because your copter guy has new roads you've taken to view.
If you do it related to this life, you will have big direct effects.
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: cleaner]
#3129132 - 09/13/04 01:21 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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The only past we can change is the past that isn't here yet.
If you change things now, in the future your past will be different lol I dunno if that makes sense
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: cleaner]
#3129137 - 09/13/04 01:22 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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and hey dude fuck your past lives dude live in the NOW... look at your past lives as dreams, because that's what they were and that's what this one is
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: Strumpling]
#3129322 - 09/13/04 01:58 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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That makes sense but it's not the end of it. You can energetically rewrite the past which changes the energy of the now.
It's great to highlight the idea that this moment will become a past moment that will produce future results. It may give people more consideration for choices and actions they take and make from moment to moment and become better conscious co-creators of future Now moments.
It may help people to get over the blame game to as they make more connections between their choices, actions and outcomes. choices include what you choose to beleive.
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#3130900 - 09/13/04 08:16 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Time for my wacky views on time:
I view all occurences in the universe as a linear series of chain reactions. Yes, even thoughts and brain chemistry. There are no real choices. There are only reactions. So, there is only one possible future. This cannot be percieved by the human mind, because the human mind itself is bound to this process.
This of course means theres no changing the past. But why would you want to?
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Az0th
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 Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: Metatrad]
#3130918 - 09/13/04 08:19 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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What if instead of being linear, it was a cycle.. a continuous motion
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: Az0th]
#3130962 - 09/13/04 08:28 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomism said:
What if instead of being linear, it was a cycle.. a continuous motion
Elaborate, please.
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deff
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: Az0th]
#3130978 - 09/13/04 08:31 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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What if it is one giant pattern of which our consciousness interprets sections of as moments. We then relate these to previous moments via memories which are also a part of the pattern, to create a perceptually linear time transition, when on an objective level the pattern, or divine being, is complete and unchanging.
Our true conscious perception is beyond all physical illusions, beyond our mannerisms and behaviour, and beyond our thoughts and feelings. It is pure void scanning the depths of contrasted nonvoid.
Or that's what I heard...
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: deff]
#3131127 - 09/13/04 09:02 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I find it as one moment that has become fragmented by our current language.
Our current language system becomes fragmented through this moment at the same time - As TOOL says, we must "REDISCOVER COMMUNICATION"
I believe Terence Mckenna had the same idea. If we fix language up to be a bit more efficient    :P we are on the right track towards entering the moment again and realizing that the past and future are both a PART of this moment, the NOW, and that THE MORE WE FOCUS ON THE NOW (instead of dwelling on the past and dreaming about the future) THE BETTER THE PAST AND FUTURE WILL LOOK, and it will become perpetual....
If we got the past and future to look really really good, people would be even more willing to focus on NOW, because the past and future look great so there's nothing to complain about in either direction just do what you do and it'll be perfect.
We're already trying to head in this direction these days - we have people rewriting history and people elaborating on the future so that we can focus on the now - unfortunately they are full of shit at the moment and are forgetting that in order to create a good-looking past we have to look at the future for at least a while..
I say we fix the future, which will make the past look grand, and then we can deal with NOW.
rofl what a bunch of madness I just spewed out - ok I'm off to play pool
/disregard
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: Strumpling]
#3131717 - 09/13/04 10:58 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Another thing that I think of is this"
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: CosmicJoke]
#3133349 - 09/14/04 08:55 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said:
who's asking the question?
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hiya CJ !
how's by you, man?
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hmmmm, has anybody ever listened to firesign theater's wacky "i think we're all bozos on this bus" or "the further adventures of nick danger, third eye" ?
fisesign theater has done time travel in several of their comedy extravaganzas...
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and of course time travel is a staple of sci-fi novels...
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: cleaner]
#3135184 - 09/14/04 06:15 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok Im not as educated as some of you are on the subject. But from what some of the arguments state something to have to do with light and what not. I understand where you are coming from, but if you were to move beyond the speed of light, wouldn't everyone else have to as well because if not then they would cease to exist because you can not be in two places at once?
Anyway, the bottom line is that it is beyond our comprehension and until we are able to comprehend it we will never be able to. And by the time that happens we will no longer be here because that is tens of thousands if not millions of years or light years away. And IMHO that is playing god, therfore not possible.
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: Metatrad]
#3135226 - 09/14/04 06:23 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Time could be easily visualized as the orbit of a planet.
Is that orbit linear or cyclical in nature?
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: Az0th]
#3135268 - 09/14/04 06:30 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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All time exists at once, therefore past present and future are illusory. We are experiencing ourselves in this moment of now...thats all we have. Why would you want to change the past when you are the sum of all your experiences. Life is about experiencing all of it...so why change that for which you are here...It makes no sense.
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 Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: gnrm23]
#3135297 - 09/14/04 06:35 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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'Who? Wha...? Mr. Roach?! Yes it's all coming back to me now...Wait...I hear the ice cream man...Hey! Mister!...Mister!!...I want an ice cream......'
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Sauton - Know Thyself
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Re: Is it possible to change the past? [Re: cleaner]
#3135330 - 09/14/04 06:42 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why would you want to change that past anyway? Mistakes and learning from your mistakes is what makes you wiser and stronger. But if you want to revisit the past, then just keep making all the mistakes and there you are stuck in the past!!!
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