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 Soulecho
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 Re: Gay Marriage  [Re: muhurgle]
#2378512 - 02/26/04 10:10 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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a secular nation like the United States
Hehe, that's funny.
I know, I realized the irony of what I said before I posted it, but there is supposed to be seperation of church and state in the US, so it isnt that far of a stretch 
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But republicans will still continue to stand against one and for the other. See if you can figure out why? (hint: social eugenics)
Now that's silly as it's not hard in a country where the majority thinks gay marriage should not be allowed, to find Dems (individuals and politicians) who oppose gay marriage.
I'm just saying, gays dont form neat little nuclear families that breed more republicans and can be easily manipulated by the politics of "family values". That's why Republicans dont cater to them: Republican Eugenics.
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: DoctorJ]
#2378970 - 02/26/04 12:15 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.lcr.org/
here's a shock to the system...homersexumal republicans!
think of all the internal dissonance. 
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: GabbaDj]
#2380030 - 02/26/04 04:40 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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A far as gay marriage is concerned, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Why not let 'em get married?
But when you propose using the Constitution to discriminate against a select group, you are just plain wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong! 
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Phred]
#2380174 - 02/26/04 05:34 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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there are government benefits AND penalties that come with marriage.
All of them should go away.
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: ToiletDuk]
#2380205 - 02/26/04 05:45 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said:
A far as gay marriage is concerned, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Why not let 'em get married?
But when you propose using the Constitution to discriminate against a select group, you are just plain wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong!
If the majority of the US doesn't want gay marriage to be allowed, then what is YOUR justification for having it become legal?
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: ToiletDuk]
#2380210 - 02/26/04 05:46 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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But when you propose using the Constitution
to discriminate against a select group, you are
just plain wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong!
I'll second that emotion.
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: afoaf]
#2380224 - 02/26/04 05:53 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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afoaf said:
But when you propose using the Constitution
to discriminate against a select group, you are
just plain wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong!
I'll second that emotion.
If the question "Do you support a Constitutional Amendmant that clearly defines marriage as the union between a man and a woman, and excludes other types of relationships?" were put on the ballot, and the majority said Yes, what would you say then/
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ToiletDuk said:
A far as gay marriage is concerned, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Why not let 'em get married?
But when you propose using the Constitution to discriminate against a select group, you are just plain wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong!
If the majority of the US doesn't want gay marriage to be allowed, then what is YOUR justification for having it become legal?
That rights should be protected in spite of the will of the majority. This is why we are NOT a democracy.
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TheOneYouKnow said:
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ToiletDuk said:
A far as gay marriage is concerned, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Why not let 'em get married?
But when you propose using the Constitution to discriminate against a select group, you are just plain wrong, wrong, a thousand times wrong!
If the majority of the US doesn't want gay marriage to be allowed, then what is YOUR justification for having it become legal?
That rights should be protected in spite of the will of the majority. This is why we are NOT a democracy.
Who should we have to deem that the majority is incorrect? Don't say the electoral college :-)
But seriously, if the majority of the people in this nation still have the moral values to abhor calling such a non-natural thing as homosexual "marriage", should the whiny left wing "we are always right" minority have a veto power over this? Of course not.
Homosexual (males) have AIDS at a much higher rate than any other group (second only to, well, bah, guess what race of men, just guess SS old buddy).
Homosexuality used to be considered a mental disease, until a doctor rallied as hard as he could to get i removed from the DSM-IV. Now that same doctor is trying to get pedophilia removed as a disorder and classified as a "preference". The reason that people are against gay marriage is because it's just another "brick in the wall" of decadence in America.
I personally think that AIDS will cure the homosexual population pretty thoroughly in the next few years.
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Who should we have to deem that the majority is incorrect? Don't say the electoral college :-)
The Constitution, or maybe just anyone with any respect for individual rights.
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But seriously, if the majority of the people in this nation still have the moral values to abhor calling such a non-natural thing as homosexual "marriage", should the whiny left wing "we are always right" minority have a veto power over this? Of course not.
This isn't a matter of BEING right. It's a matter of HAVING rights. Religious moral values should be kept out of politics.
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Homosexual (males) have AIDS at a much higher rate than any other group (second only to, well, bah, guess what race of men, just guess SS old buddy).
And that has what to do with them wanting to have the right marry?
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Homosexuality used to be considered a mental disease, until a doctor rallied as hard as he could to get i removed from the DSM-IV. Now that same doctor is trying to get pedophilia removed as a disorder and classified as a "preference". The reason that people are against gay marriage is because it's just another "brick in the wall" of decadence in America.
They used to consider pretty much any type of abnormal behavior to be a mental disease. Now they're coming to realize that people are just different. And if there's a "brick in the wall" of decadence in America, I think it would be the fascist desire of people like you to suppress others' rights in the name of so-called "morality."
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I personally think that AIDS will cure the homosexual population pretty thoroughly in the next few years.
So does that mean that Herpes will "cure" the straight population? Seems to me that it's a lot more common to have than AIDS. BTW, even if AIDS did wipe out the entire homosexual population, there would still be homosexuals in the next generation.
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you know, it is quite telling when an individual demonstrates such an extreme hatred for homosexuality.
Got any repressed, deep secrets, TheKnowYouKnow, that conflict with your social conditioning so much that you have to mask it with a facade of anger and self-righteousness?
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Xochitl]
#2380562 - 02/26/04 07:25 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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who is that a picture of? He looks insane.
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If the majority of the US doesn't want gay marriage to be allowed, then what is YOUR justification for having it become legal?
You're making a pretty big assumption when you say a majority of people don't want to allow gay marriage.....
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: GabbaDj]
#2380965 - 02/26/04 09:52 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/politicalmenu.htm
I was checkimg out this site and found a list of gays. This can't be true, can it? Anyone know?
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GLBT's, we "Liberals Like Christ" support you. [Re: mabus]
#2381174 - 02/26/04 10:55 PM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Liberals Like Christ" believe in loving GLBT brother and sisters as we do ourselves. See http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/equality4gays/
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If the majority of the US doesn't want gay marriage to be allowed, then what is YOUR justification for having it become legal?
My justification is the fact that the Constitution was designed with the intent of protecting the minority from the tyrrany of the majority.
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Xochitl
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Re: Gay Marriage [Re: mabus]
#2381805 - 02/27/04 03:13 AM (9 years, 2 months ago) |
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ever see American Beauty?
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Soulecho
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Who should we have to deem that the majority is incorrect? Don't say the electoral college :-)
No, the courts do.
This is all already spelled out in the Constitution, I suggest you go read it
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But seriously, if the majority of the people in this nation still have the moral values to abhor calling such a non-natural thing as homosexual "marriage", should the whiny left wing "we are always right" minority have a veto power over this? Of course not.
Well, majority rule is a trait of a democracy. A good example of democracy in action is three wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.. The USA is a republic and has been since 1787-- a fact that has been pointed out several times already in this thread. Our constitution is designed to protect the minority from the tyrrany of the majority.
And I believe the word you are grasping for is unnatural, not non-natural. Unnatural as opposed to what? Heterosexual marriage? I'd say that, by the way that you seem to define natural vs unnatural, ALL marriage is unnatural.
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Homosexual (males) have AIDS at a much higher rate than any other group (second only to, well, bah, guess what race of men, just guess SS old buddy).
This is one hell of a bold claim, cite some real sources. And real sources won't include organizations that have the word "Family" in their name. Personaly, I suggest you start with the WHO or the CDC.
You gave an ambiguous statement about the ethnicity of the group that has the second highest rate of new infection-- I'll throw caution to the wind now and guess that that group is black people, but only because Africa is hardest hit by the disease and a shitload of black people live in Africa.
An interesting factoid to point out is that homosexual females have the lowest new infection rate.
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I personally think that AIDS will cure the homosexual population pretty thoroughly in the next few years
Two points I wish to make about this statement
First, it shows a complete and utter misunderstanding of the nature of communicable diseases, and of the nature of HIV itself. HIV doesn't discriminate.
You say that gays have a higher rate of infection, while that may or may not be true, I'd like to point out that more heterosexuals will die this year from AIDS than homosexuals.
Second, it indicates that you wish death on homosexuals. That is hate. You tout morality? Hatred always, always leads to immorality, it does not pass go, it does not collect $200, and it does not lead people to a moral life, ever.
You sir, are full of contradictions. The logical progression of my thoughts leads me to believe that you are a closet case, and by far, a worse one than I ever was. 
And I don't intend to insult you. You have way too much hatred built up inside of you and honestly it frightens me. It frightens me because I was the same way, and it almost killed me. I don't wish the kind of pain I went through on anybody. Get some help man, please.
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During the 60's the 'majority' of the people in this country were opposed to ending segregation. Luckily people with common sense and compassion prevailed and it was ended. So the whole "the majority are opposed to gay marriage" idea is totally bunk..because ending segregation was the right thing to do  Just like letting gay people marry is also a just cause. gay people getting married doesn't hurt anyone, the issue of religion isn't a factor if you believe in this country's values, and if gay people make you feel uncomfortable, then don't go to the wedding! 
The idea of adding an ammendment to the constitution over this issue is probably the saddest thing i've heard in ages.
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