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 Re: Conspiracy theories  [Re: Learyfan]
#2311053 - 02/07/04 07:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is an edited old post I made in a similar thread... I didn't want to write it all again.
He was hit on the right side of his head. In the back. This is what the autopsy shows. I think it is public information now. Take a look. The explosion happened as the bullet went out the front of his melon. That alone woulda' moved him left.
Learn your exit wounds. Follow the bits of brain flying from jfk's head. They are following the bullet's trajectory... foreward and to the right. Then... when he jerks back... the big floppy part of his head spurts on the back of the car.
Also, His head does move foreward for a couple frames before moving back... and to the left.
There are three or so frames of foreward movement I've seen 'em. Frame by frame. Don't know what it means, but he DOES go foreward first. Not like he moves when he goes back, but he does go foreward.
Another thing I want to mention 'cause nobody ever does. The President and Governor had a minimal reaction to The Magic Bullet and they both were shot. What would make you think the reaction would be much bigger for JFK's head shot? I think JFK's body is reacting to being DEAD. Like a chicken with its head cut off.
By the time of the head shot, you can bet JFK's muscles had tensed a lot from the firt shot. He was hunched foreward. He couldn't go much more foreward when he got the head shot. Leary's clip is very short compared to the whole Zapruder film. It seems obvious to me, Kennedy's head jerks left... like a pool ball that was hit on the right side. Watch the video again. His whole body jerks back and to the left. Not just his head. It easily could've been a muscle reaction after his brain popped.
Do I think there was a conspiracy? Well, I want to believe. I've studied the hell out of this subject. I directed a play about the JFK assassination. The more I study, the more I think it WAS a lone gunman.
I just think a lot of the conspiracy talk surrounding this event is based on misinformation. Like the Magic Bullet Theory (Pretty well disproven by now). The magic bullet came about because nobody noticed the front seat in the Lincoln convertable was six inches to the left of jfk's seat in the rear and jfk's seat was a few inches higher.
The magic bullet was created because it was ASSUMED the Governor was sitting directly in front of Kennedy. He simply wasn't. The car wasn't constructed that way. With the correct blueprints for the car, the injurys from the magic bullet match up perfectly with LHO's view from the schoolbook depository.
That tags Lee Harvey as the shooter... at least of the magic bullet.
Then, THIS IS IMPORTANT, nobody could have shot Kennedy's right rear side of his head from the grassy knoll. Sure, he could've been shot from there but, at the time of impact, the only view from the grassy knoll was of the right FRONT side of the president's head not the right. This is true. It is not arguable. It is fact.
Watch the film a few more times... you can follow the trajectory of the bullet by following the bits of jfk's head. Gross? Yes. Convincing? I think so.
Kennedy leaned left after the magic bullet too... this clip doesn't show it, but he does, he goes to Jackie. He went left after both shots.
Worth noting... It looks like the Governor bonks his head on the windshiled before ducking too.
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Edited by Cervantes (02/10/04 02:42 AM)
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Cervantes]
#2311494 - 02/07/04 02:02 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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He was hit on the right side of his head. In the back. This is what the autopsy shows.
kennedy's autopsy was a joke. it was conducted by 3 inexperienced military doctors "overseen" by civilian and military authorities. dr. milton helpern, who was once the chief medical examiner for new york city, and had overseen 60,000 autopsies, described it like this:
"it's like sending a 7-year-old boy who has taken three lessons on the violin over to the new york philharmonic and expecting him to play a tchaikovsky symphony. he knows how to hold the violin and bow, but he has a long way to go before he can make music"
dr. cyril h. wecht, a coroner and former president of the american academy of forensic medicine wrote:
"[kennedy's autopsy was] extremely superficial and sloppy, inept, incomplete, incompetant in many respects, not only on the part of the pathologists who did this horribly inadequate medical-legal autopsy but on the part of many other people. this is the kind of examination that would not be tolerated in a routine murder case by a good crew of homocide dectectives in mose major cities of america."
the autopsy was a complete sham.
Learn your exit wounds.
a large hole is blown from the back of the head when a bullet enters from the front and leaves through the back. a hole the size of a grapefruit was seen in the back of kennedy's head by dozens of witnesses and medical examiners. their testimony was officially "disputed" by the warren commission.
Also, His head does move foreward for a couple frames before moving back... and to the left.
back and to the left, consistant with a shot from the front right.
The more I study, the more I think it WAS a lone gunman.
what have you been reading? the warren commision? 
That tags Lee Harvey as the shooter... at least of the magic bullet.
lee harvey oswald could not have been the shooter unless he could fire the fatal shot from the sixth floor, run to the opposite corner of that floor, stash the weapon, race down 5 flights of stairs, get some change from a fumbling attendant, buy a coke, and be standing on the floor of the first floor lunchroom, calmly drinking his coke, when he was seen there by police 90 seconds after allegedly shooting the president of the united states in the head with a high-power rifle. oswald wasn't either of the two gunman in the school book depository. it simply does not add up.
Sure, he could've been shot from there but, at the time of impact, the only view from the grassy knoll was of the LEFT side of the president's head not the right. This is true. It is not arguable. It is fact. He only could have been shot in the left side if there was a knoll gunman.
look at an overhead map or photograph of dealey plaza. the grassy knoll was to front-right of the motorcade, not the front left, as it would have to be to make only the left side of kennedy's head visible from the knoll. several witnesses saw men with rifles by the grassy knoll. dozens heard shots from that direction and saw smoke.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: ]
#2311703 - 02/07/04 03:08 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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My answer with (gasp) links from (gasp) credible sources. I tried to use NEUTRAL sources... no conspiracy OR government links.
*He was hit on the right side of his head. In the back. This is what the autopsy shows.
Here's the autopsy link... http://www.jfklancer.com/aphotos.html
and here are two photos...
As you can see... the back of his head caved in while the front of his head exploded outward. Sure the doctors lost his brain... but the photos weren't doctored. Well, if they were, they were doctored better than Life magazine doctored the infamous LHO W/ gun photo.
*a large hole is blown from the back of the head when a bullet enters from the front and leaves through the back. a hole the size of a grapefruit was seen in the back of kennedy's head by dozens of witnesses and medical examiners. their testimony was officially "disputed" by the warren commission.
Not from what I see. Looks like the back of his head has a small hole and the front has a big one. I am only using my eyes to make this decision.
*lee harvey oswald could not have been the shooter unless he could fire the fatal shot from the sixth floor, run to the opposite corner of that floor, stash the weapon, race down 5 flights of stairs, get some change from a fumbling attendant, buy a coke, and be standing on the floor of the first floor lunchroom, calmly drinking his coke, when he was seen there by police 90 seconds after allegedly shooting the president of the united states in the head with a high-power rifle. oswald wasn't either of the two gunman in the school book depository. it simply does not add up.
You are holding on to old, misinformation. The magic bullet theory has been disproven. Here is a quote I took from this link.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/WorldNewsTonight/jfk_beyond_conspiracy-1.html
"Single Bullet Theory
Myers' animation has introduced a new way of investigating the Kennedy assassination ? and debunking the conspiracy theories which have flourished over the last 40 years.
Many Americans believe Kennedy and Texas Gov. John Connally were hit by different bullets from separate guns, suggesting a conspiracy of more than one gunman. Myers' simulation, however, proves they were hit from behind by the same bullet.
The animation shows, from the positions of the two men in the car, that any bullet that struck the president in the upper right back and emerged out of his throat, would have continued forward and hit Connally in the back near his right armpit ? exactly where the governor was in fact hit. In addition, the fact that both men reacted at the same time clinches it, said Myers.
"So it's not a magic bullet at all," said Myers. "It's not even a single bullet theory, in my opinion. It's a single bullet fact."
If the two men were hit from behind by the same bullet, where did it come from? Using the men's body positions and the locations of their wounds, Myers isolated the source of the shot.
We can start with, for instance, Governor Connally's entrance wound on his back, connect that with the point of exit on the president's throat, and then take that line and project it rearward," said Myers. "What we end up with is a line that goes right back through the sniper's nest window, the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository."
Dozens of witnesses pointed to the School Book Depository, where Oswald had been working as a clerk, after hearing the shots. One witness reported seeing a gun in the sixth floor window."
Check this link out too... it leads to photos and animations that show how the grassy knoll is at the WRONG angle. JFK could not have been shot from there. Well, he could have but he would have been hit in a different place. The shot would have come from the front and hit JFK in a different spot. Simple. Indisputable... if you LOOK and THINK about the EVIDENCE. Surely the grassy knoll has remained unchanged since the assassination... or did the feds cover it up too?
The magic bullet and the grassy knoll have been disproven... well I guess there could have been a knoll gunman... but he didn't hit anything.
http://abcnews.go.com/jfk_conspiracy/jfk_conspiracy_index.html
*what have you been reading? the warren commision?
Have YOU read it?
Oh and as for his head moving foreward before it jerks back... all you have to do is watch the video. It is right there on the Zapruder film. Like 2 or 3 frames of foreward movement before his whole body spasm's back.
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Edited by Cervantes (02/07/04 03:51 PM)
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Cervantes]
#2311904 - 02/07/04 03:58 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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^Pictures of the doctors at Parkland Hospital describing where the exit wound was.
 <---- Bill Newman, closest spectator to the president at the time of the head shot:
"And then as the car got directly in front of us, gunshot apparently from behind us, hit the President in the side of the temple."
Not to mention people smelled gun smoke wafting from around the grassy knoll
BTW, those pictures come from this site.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Learyfan]
#2311919 - 02/07/04 04:03 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Leary,
http://grandsubversion.com/index.htm#MyReview
Here's the link to the homepage for the info you provide.
With all due respect Leary (I love your music) I'll stick with my links.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Learyfan]
#2312234 - 02/07/04 06:16 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Learyfan said:
How can you look at this clip and not take conspiracy theories seriously?
Look at this clip with your own eyes. You're seeing footage of President John F. Kennedy being shot from the right front. It's right in front of your face. This five seconds or so of footage is proof of the fact that the US government does conspire to commit reprehensible crimes.
AGain with the word proof, oy vey! While that could be evidence that he was shot from the front (which i will discuss in a moment), that is all that it proves. If you have evidence that the US Gov't LIED about something, that would prove that it's a conspiracy. Proving that they were wrong doesn't prove a conspiracy.
Now, with the forensic matters of this. FIrst, where did you aquire your forensic training at? I'd like to know because I've seen numerous specials on the Hitler and Discovery channel that have the "elite FBI forensic teams" dealing with the matte rof the kennedy assassination. One of the things that they do is acquire a Mannlicher-Karcanno(sp) rifle of the same model and scope that Oswald allegedly used and had a marksman take the exact same shot (time, angles, distance and target size) to determine if it was possible. He found that it was. They also dealt with the "head snap" issue, but I didn't pay particular attention to it.
Also, if you could name the people involved in this conspiracy that you've thought out so well, and show how they are still a part of the government and still lying, that'd be great. Note: Pictures of the smoking man from the X-files are NOT PROOF.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Learyfan]
#2312239 - 02/07/04 06:18 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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No expert marksman has ever been able to duplicate what Oswald is said to have done with the gun he had and in the time that he had.
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The week of the anniversary of Kennedy's assassination either the Discovery or Hitler channel ran a special in which this WAS DONE. IT's also been done numerous times before in tests, but this was, in my opinion, the most accurate.
Perhaps if conspiracy theorists didnt' lie constantly, it would be a cunthair easier to believe them.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Learyfan]
#2312270 - 02/07/04 06:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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To me that picture shows a large chunk of blood spatter, gristle and brain matter being blown out of the front of his head. I'd have to know the actual type of ammunition used in the assassination to know exactly how the bullet performed. The type of explosive hit is characteristic of either a high powered rifle being used at a range where the bullet has had a chance to slow down (if not, a ball projectile will just make a clean hole) or it is characteristic of a hollow-point bullet.
Either way, the explosion of dura mater is going forward, I don't see any evidence in this picture to show that he wasn't shot from behind. If you put a gun to a mans face who is facing you and pull the trigger, the vast majority of the blood/brains will splatter on the wall behind you, certaintly not splattering towards you.
The splatter and dura mater explosion is cause by a force moving through the body (inthis case a high powered bullet) and they follow the same path as the force. If I punch you in the stomach, your stomach doesn't swell outward when I hit you, it gives.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Learyfan]
#2312384 - 02/07/04 07:13 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about the throat wound that was in the front of the
neck with no exit (it was used as a tracheotomy during
resusitation attempts)?
What about the doctor at the 1st press conference after
the announcement of JFK's death, saying the shot entered
the right temple (there is a pic of him pointing at his own temple
saying this)?
All of the Dallas doctors saw JFK first yet their testimony is
totally different than Humes et al at Bethesda. Why the difference?
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*To me that picture shows a large chunk of blood spatter, gristle and brain matter being blown out of the front of his head.
I can't believe how many conspiracy buffs fail to miss that big chunk of head moving in the trajectory of a bullet shot from the Texas Schoolbook Depository. I mean... it is only the biggest chunk of head you can see fling through the air.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: ]
#2312415 - 02/07/04 07:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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When was Crossfire written?
Many studies have been done since then you know?
JFK was a good movie though... wasn't it?
It was cool how Stone seamlessly mixed fact with fiction. I bet the DVD offers some commentary on how he did it.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Cervantes]
#2312417 - 02/07/04 07:26 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
*To me that picture shows a large chunk of blood spatter, gristle and brain matter being blown out of the front of his head.
I can't believe how many conspiracy buffs fail to miss that big chunk of head moving in the trajectory of a bullet shot from the Texas Schoolbook Depository. I mean... it is only the biggest chunk of head you can see fling through the air.
If you shoot someone, there is no one direction that the blood and guts go. Just think about those mafia movies where someone shoots someone else at point blank range and they get blood splattered all over themselves. Was the blood supposed to all come out the exit wound?
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Cervantes
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Tw0 things:
1: I don't care about splatter... the HUGE CHUNK OF HEAD flew foreward.
2: Mafia movies are works of fiction. This is why Ray Liota continues to act even though he died in Goodfellas.... Joe Pesci too.
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 Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Cervantes]
#2312426 - 02/07/04 07:32 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Tow things:
1: I don't care about splatter... the HUGE CHUNK OF HEAD flew foreward.
And I'll bet you other skull matter went inside the brain, and others came out the other side.
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2: Mafia movies are works of fiction. This is why Ray Liota continues to act even though he died in Goodfellas.... Joe Pesci too.
:P
It's just an example.
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Cervantes
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*And I'll bet you other skull matter went inside the brain, and others came out the other side.
No need to bet... this we agree on.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Cervantes]
#2312481 - 02/07/04 07:53 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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When was Crossfire written?
it was written 15 years ago. none of the book's content is based on reenactments or any of that sort of thing. it's based completely on historical events and witness testimony. when the book was published, the guy that wrote it had been a dallas journalist for 25 years, and had been teaching a course about the kennedy assassination at the university of texas for 13 years. the book is over 600 pages of incredibly well researched, objective, and thorough content. i highly recommend it to anyone interested in kennedy's assassination.
JFK was a good movie though... wasn't it?
never saw it.
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: Learyfan]
#2312509 - 02/07/04 08:04 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Any good theories on what might have happened if they had missed?
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Re: Conspiracy theories [Re: GabbaDj]
#2312757 - 02/07/04 09:41 PM (9 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kennedy would have been re-elected.
Vietnam may have been different...
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No expert marksman has ever been able to duplicate what Oswald is said to have done with the gun he had and in the time that he had.
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The week of the anniversary of Kennedy's assassination either the Discovery or Hitler channel ran a special in which this WAS DONE. IT's also been done numerous times before in tests, but this was, in my opinion, the most accurate.
Perhaps if conspiracy theorists didnt' lie constantly, it would be a cunthair easier to believe them.
did i mention that you were WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG?
If Not, you are WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONGWRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG
Wait, what are you trying to say?
Look, even if i'm wrong about gun thing, that doesn't change the fact that he was hit in the right temple. It couldn't be more obvious. I know you feel threatened because you're being shown overwhelming evidence that shows that the people who run this country are above the President, and that they are soulless power-hungry, murdering, cash whores. This causes your world view to calapse.
It's hard to accept at first, but this was bound to happen. Perhaps you've come to this website subconsciously for the purpose of being awoken from this illusion.
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