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 Re: Death Penalty-Did you know such a lack of sense was poss  [Re: Phred]
#2096863 - 11/12/03 01:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not to quibble, but so far you are not arguing any such thing. You are asserting it baldly as if it is self evident. It is far from self evident.
true enough. what do you think about that? is revenge alone a justifiable use of force?
What comments do you have on my "alternate days of the week" thought experiment?
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If you think the death penalty is not a deterrent, ask yourself if the distribution of murders committed by day of the week would change if the law were altered so that murders committed on a Sunday, Tuesday, and Friday were punishable by death and those committed on the other days of the week were punishable by life imprisonment.
i think there would probably be less crime commited on the days where the death penalty was in effect.... but persuading a killer to switch what day of the week they commit their crime is alot different then persuading them not to commit it altogether...
but this does prove at least some level of deterrence, and this alone could be enough to justify the execution of murderers i suppose.
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#2097801 - 11/12/03 05:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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To assert that, since murders still take place, the death penalty isn't a deterrant, is to say that since all crime takes place, the entire criminal justice system isn't a deterrant.
Another reason that it's not as effective as a deterrant as it could be. It hardly ever happens! Most murderers end up with life in prison, rather than an execution. If people knew that the system DID punish murderes by execution, rather than a 15 year average sentance before the execution, it would be a more tangible form of punishment. People would be able to connect the murder that happened 2 years ago with the man being executed. The way it happens now, people have no mental tie between the crime and the punishment.
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Re: Death Penalty-Did you know such a lack of sense was possible [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2098038 - 11/12/03 06:43 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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It is really warped because many people who commit crimes A. don't think they are going to get caught so they dont have to worry about teh death penalty and B. Might just not care or even think death is better than living. A lot of times criminals are very strung out people so death to them seems like the only way out. It is even more ridiculous that we allow the state to kill someone but not let someone who is not a criminal kill themselvs. It would imply to the criminal that if you want to kill yourself you can do something really bad and just have the state do it for you.
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Re: Death Penalty-Did you know such a lack of sense was possible [Re: Diemos]
#2099862 - 11/13/03 02:52 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Death Penalty-Did you know such a lack of sense was possible [Re: Hanky]
#2100060 - 11/13/03 04:14 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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but it beats an eye for a tooth.
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Re: Death Penalty-Did you know such a lack of sense was possible [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#2100156 - 11/13/03 04:56 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/Articles/Pataki.htm
A snippet from this, a letter by Gov Pataki of NY when he reinstated the death penalty. Stats are at the link, this struck me tho...
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Arthur Shawcross (left) was paroled after serving 15 years for the brutal rape and murder of two children in upstate New York. In a subsequent 21 month killing spree, he took 11 more lives before being caught. Serial killer Nathaniel White triggered this outburst from the mother of one of his victims: "I have to go to the cemetery to see my daughter. Nathaniel White's mother goes to jail to see him and I don't think it's fair." With the death penalty reinstated in New York, such ruthless killers will face execution, rather than being released from prison for good behavior.
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Had he been executed, 11 more people would be alive. It's just that simple.
sorry but this is crap reasoning. it means he should have been put in prison for LIFE instead of 15 years.
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Re: Death Penalty-Did you know such a lack of sense was poss [Re: enimatpyrt]
#2110159 - 11/15/03 11:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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No one needs to be executed.Modern society has the means to incarcerate the criminally insane.The rest can be rehabilitated.Ah,Fuck it.It's so much easier to kill them and forget them.
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