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 Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide?  [Re: Envix]
#16359757 - 06/10/12 08:06 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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I dunno what a court mandated lifestyle class is, is something to do with probation? or a slap on the wrist for a small crime? a rehabilitation thing?
anyways, I don't see why everyone's saying "no" to DMT? If it's something to do with the above that I've missed then fair enough. otherwise, you could say you saw "The Spirit Molecule" and it fascinated you. Made you think more about existence and God and life and were interested in all the legal research that's been going on about it.
Or if they're likely to get pissed of with you being anti-societal, and anti-christian (fuck knows, some places are fucked up like that) then talk about alcohol. that's a drug. keep your head down. do as little as possible and get out.
just my very badly informed opinion
(DMT Fundamentally rocked my world - for the better)
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16359811 - 06/10/12 08:50 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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DMT is not some top-secret Matrix bullshit that some people think it is.
Rofl'd hard. My thoughts exactly. Why is everyone so bugged out over one dude giving a presentation to what sounds like a drug diversion course.
Seriously guys, if Alex Jones cant talk nonsense about DMT I think OP is more than welcome to give some "thugs" a brief overview of the chemical.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: mrckb]
#16360171 - 06/10/12 11:29 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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hmmm, he is talking a load of shit there isn't he?
perhaps he should listen to Stanhope and Rogan a bit more closely. or try it.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: keeno]
#16360219 - 06/10/12 11:48 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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yea i would definitely do it on DMT. but for safety just say that you have heard about it and that you might like to try its over anything else. but don't say your are regular user or that you've tried it before.
even ibogaine would be good  i think i would choose that actually and i never tried it before because many people have used it successfully to get off heroin.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: SurReality]
#16360395 - 06/10/12 12:32 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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DMT would be a great one but i kind of feel others on the whole "they don't know about it so don't tell them about it thing". perhaps talk about mushrooms or acid and do NOT neglect to bring your research in. this is your chance to educate someone don't walk in like a rambling hippy telling them stories of these incredible adventures and how LSD is good for your soul, etc whatever without backing up your claims with research.
walk in there and look educated. the only way anyone will ever take you seriously on these things is if you present yourself as educated. personal opinions and first hand experience doesn't mean shit in the legal system... well neither does science, but it means more than the former
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16360649 - 06/10/12 01:34 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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do it on datura
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: Ghostwriter]
#16360669 - 06/10/12 01:38 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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HAH! i literally laughed out loud to that. you should tell them your worship satan and take datura ritually during satanic orgies.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16361059 - 06/10/12 03:11 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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Whoa hold on, I gotta go against the flow here and off the top of my head, say maybe you should do your presentation on DMT. Why are people on here so opposed to this
Let me point out the positives to doing it on DMT:
- Many people don't know about DMT. Educating these "thugs and gangsters" on a drug they probably don't know about, and explaining the awesome nature of the drug experiences in a positive light may result in them seeking it out and trying it. Besides, a lot of your stereotype of these people as thugs and gangsters is a presumption. Maybe some of them are intelligent, well-educated people that would be intrigued and could possibly benefit from DMT.
- Doing a presentation on DMT with a positive bias would be a good "fuck you" to the legal system and court establishment, because unlike other drugs, such as MDMA, even the LE's in your classroom probably don't know what DMT is and won't have pre-scripted bullshit to counter your information about the drug.
- Also, it would just be an interesting presentation.
I don't why posters on here are saying "Don't tell the courts about DMT." It's already illegal, so why the fuck does it matter. If the police search you and find a baggie full of orange crystals, they're going to arrest you for possession of drugs, and when the lab tests comes back positive for DMT, you will still have a felony drug charge on your record.
DMT is not some top-secret Matrix bullshit that some people think it is.
Let me ask you a question, would giving a positive presentation on DMT affect your court deal in any way, or make your sentence any less lenient?
If not, then I don't see any reason why not to do it on DMT.
when DMT gets more and more rep as a street drug rising in popularity, it will be that much easier to prohibit us from getting ayahuasca analogues
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- Doing a presentation on DMT with a positive bias would be a good "fuck you" to the legal system and court establishment, because unlike other drugs, such as MDMA, even the LE's in your classroom probably don't know what DMT is and won't have pre-scripted bullshit to counter your information about the drug.
I would agree with you, if it weren't for the fact that I don't want to see ayahuasca analogues banned, which are already becoming harder to obtain
and IMO/IME, ayahuasca and Jurema both have a lot more to offer than DMT. DMT can remain illegal forever for all I care, but what hurts is how the popularity of DMT (which tends to be the choice for convenience/pleasure-seekers) could alert the authorities of the need to address ayahuasca analogues as a serious problem,
have you ever been to a drug class about marijuana? The general perception of marijuana in these classes equates it to other dangerous drugs which destroy families, or at the very least a marijuana "addict" is equated to a drunk who doesn't care much about life and how they hurt themselves and others
"Whoa hold on"
that's what I say to anyone who thinks they are making the most of their MHRB by extracting the DMT from it. It's all good now, but one day when you can't so easily obtain MHRB, you might not even get the chance to know what you're missing
am I being paranoid? not really, already several vendors are shying away due to fear of the DEA, which wasn't an issue before rising trends in chemicals that fall under grey areas of the law have sparked rising trends in trying to prohibit them
I just think the potential good of doing a presentation on DMT in drug court is outweighed by the potential bad down the line. Being in drug court, there is already a certain assumption about your character, and trying to glorify your drug of choice doesn't make much sense to people who only hear about "expanding your consciousness", especially when it looks to them like you're just trying to justify your habit. Nobody takes an 18-year old drug user very seriously, although they do keep track of what drugs they like to use, and what the new trends are.
Look into the average lawman's take on LSD and mushrooms, despite how many positive things people have been presenting about them for the past 50 years
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: spiritguru]
#16361065 - 06/10/12 03:12 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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Doing a DMT presentation is so stupid. Just do what you have to do and get through it. Why fuck with your own sanity and get people up in your shit that way? To "prove a point". Lol, talk about juvenile.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: the bizzle]
#16361075 - 06/10/12 03:14 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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I guess that makes sense. My main point was that his presentation would positively benefit his fellow classmates though, not the LE officials. The purpose of what I said wasn't to properly benefit or educate law enforcement in any way...I already know that's futile.
But I guess what you say does make sense.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16361915 - 06/10/12 06:22 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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I doubt many people in there are psychonauts interested in using DMT to better themselves.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: withoutawire]
#16361957 - 06/10/12 06:32 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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withoutawire said:
I doubt many people in there are psychonauts interested in using DMT to better themselves.
It sounds like OP might be one.
I would, too.
Psychonauts that use psychedelics face the very real risk of getting arrested for drugs, so there will be some of these type of people in the system, even if the majority do not fit this description. And some of these just might happen to end up in the class.
Even if everyone in the class were thugs and gangsters, I don't think it would be be a disaster if OP did his presentation on DMT anyway. I don't really see any significant risks to the idea.
Yes, telling the police chief that there's a new drug called DMT ravaging the town, or telling a media outlet might not be a good idea. But having a couple of cops that are sitting in the room overhear the lecture will probably not start anything huge and unwanted.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16362021 - 06/10/12 06:47 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Why get everyone up in your shit that way? It's attention seeking behavior that's not worth the very possible shit storm.
Thug sees 18 year old present on dmt. Conclusion: I am going to go on the shroomery and read how to use this drug to better my criminal behavior. 
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: withoutawire]
#16362034 - 06/10/12 06:50 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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I don't think doing his presentation on DMT would necessarily be "attention-seeking behavior."
Going through court-mandated drug classes is a pain in the ass anyway. Might as well make it as fun as possible while he's at it, and doing it on a drug he's fascinated by.
Either way it's not that big of a deal. I don't see it being a major disaster were he to go through with the idea.
And I don't see how thugs will use DMT to better their criminal behavior...
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16362043 - 06/10/12 06:52 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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If this was a presentation he wanted to do for his Biochem class I'd be in full support, but it's not. It's for his court mandated drug class with all the other people there for drug abuse issues which is run by government employed drug counselors.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16362044 - 06/10/12 06:52 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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i do think dmt is special, but i'm coming from a practical standpoint in that i'd rather spare myself the frustration that would inevitably follow from doing a presentation on dmt to a room full of drug counselors and thugs. i mean seriously, who cares? do your report on alcohol or weed, tell them what they wanna hear and just get it over with and get the hell out of there.
i don't even think this is a battle that needs to be fought. dmt will find those who are interested in it. i don't mean that in some hippy b/s way, but people who are serious about psychedelics know about it already.
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: millzy]
#16362048 - 06/10/12 06:53 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: millzy]
#16362063 - 06/10/12 06:57 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Just finished my dmt presentation, as expected, I was the only one. Everyone else did cannabis, codenine and shrooms with the exception of one doing it on amanita muscaria. Nobody really cared about dmt, and the only feedback I got was from the teacher who kept asking me about "bad side effects".
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: spiritguru]
#16362066 - 06/10/12 06:59 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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the only feedback I got was from the teacher who kept asking me about "bad side effects".
what did you expect
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Re: DMT presentation for lifestyle drug court class. What info should I provide? [Re: Ghostwriter]
#16362099 - 06/10/12 07:09 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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Tell them you really like ibuprofen because it rids you of joint pain and headaches
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