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 concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... 
#16264026 - 05/21/12 07:52 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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I'm using a 66 QT. 26 1/2" x 16" x 12 1/4". I drilled each hole (2") 4 inches from the bottom of the tub.
I'm using 1 brick of coir, 2 quarts of verm, 4 or so quarts of spawn, and 1/4 cup of gypsum as my substrate.
Did I drill my holes too low? I'm a bit concerned that the substrate will be too deep for the holes...
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16264057 - 05/21/12 07:58 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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You want 4-5 inches of substrate, so I'd say your holes are too low. 
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: Doc_T]
#16264067 - 05/21/12 08:01 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Your holes are in a good spot...don't worry. Even with all your ingredients it still wont reach the holes at 4 inches. 
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16264079 - 05/21/12 08:04 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Sounds like you should be fine. You ideally want the top of the substrate at the same height as the bottom of your holes, but my substrates very often are up to 1/2" below the bottom of my holes because I guesstimate a lot of my measurements.
If you end up with too much substrate (i.e. your substrate height will reach above the bottom of your holes) just don't use all of the substrate. Pour it in gradually, adding more as you need it.
If you end up with not enough substrate (i.e. your substrate height is below the bottom of your holes) you should be fine as long as it's no more than about an inch a gap.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: the_damn]
#16264121 - 05/21/12 08:12 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Sounds good guys. Hopefully it works out.
While I have your attention, I've also ran into a problem with my coir preparation. I'm using the Elementry Coir Tek by Damion. I broke up my brick of coir a good amount before hand, poured the boiling water over the subtrate mixture, lidded up, and just stirred (40 minutes later). Problem is, there are a few chunks of coir that don't seem to be hydrated at all. Will this be a problem? Should I fish these out, or just leave them in?
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16264137 - 05/21/12 08:16 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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I fish them out when that happens.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: redcat]
#16264180 - 05/21/12 08:24 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Not to hijack this thread but do the holes need to be "EXACTLY" at the height of the sub or can it be a few inches above?
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: bongjuice420]
#16264211 - 05/21/12 08:31 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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As long as the total hole area is large enough relative to the volume of air contained, it'll diffuse.
Having the holes at top and bottom helps create a current of air flow which will help induce pinning.
Does it "need" to be right? Do you "need" to follow the tek?
Well... it sure helps.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: bongjuice420]
#16264504 - 05/21/12 09:20 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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bongjuice420 said:
Not to hijack this thread but do the holes need to be "EXACTLY" at the height of the sub or can it be a few inches above?
Listen hijacker....try to get it as close to the holes as possible but don't worry if your an inch off. Keep your polyfil loose during fruiting with an oscillating fan on a timer set to go off 4x a day and it's maintenance free. 
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: redcat]
#16264561 - 05/21/12 09:33 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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You don't need a deep substrate if you're using horse manure.
I got a 27qt monotub going right now, uneven as crap (not very level like I should have made it) and I've probably got about 300 pins.
Deeper substrate allows for supporting larger fruits, more surface area = more pins.
But I digress... Horse manure > coir based mix
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: Project]
#16265733 - 05/22/12 01:54 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Thanks for the help everyone.
So.. right now I have 2 2" hole on each long side of the tub (in the middle, one 4" from bottom and the other an each above the first), and 2 2" holes on each short side, one higher and one lower.
How many holes should I have for a 66 quart?
I feel sort of stupid. I drilled the holes on the long side directly in the middle, instead of drilling two at each end. What do you guys suggest?
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16266172 - 05/22/12 04:53 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Quote:
psychoanomaly said:
Thanks for the help everyone.
So.. right now I have 2 2" hole on each long side of the tub (in the middle, one 4" from bottom and the other an each above the first), and 2 2" holes on each short side, one higher and one lower.
How many holes should I have for a 66 quart?
I feel sort of stupid. I drilled the holes on the long side directly in the middle, instead of drilling two at each end. What do you guys suggest?
Huh? Maybe a picture would help you with the thousand word thing. I picture your holes on the long sides of the tub on top of each other and the holes on the ends being...... well shit, I don't know..... somewhere on the ends. I think. LOL
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: MushroomNSwiss]
#16266220 - 05/22/12 05:26 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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psychoanomaly said:
Thanks for the help everyone.
So.. right now I have 2 2" hole on each long side of the tub (in the middle, one 4" from bottom and the other an each above the first), and 2 2" holes on each short side, one higher and one lower.
How many holes should I have for a 66 quart?
I feel sort of stupid. I drilled the holes on the long side directly in the middle, instead of drilling two at each end. What do you guys suggest?
Huh? Maybe a picture would help you with the thousand word thing. I picture your holes on the long sides of the tub on top of each other and the holes on the ends being...... well shit, I don't know..... somewhere on the ends. I think. LOL
I'm sorry, I'm totally exhausted. I'll try to make more sense tomorrow.
Just finished the monotub. I was a bit surprised to find that my WBS smelt a bit sweet... it wasn't very strong, but if I stuck my nose close, I could definitely smell an odd sweet smell. I hope they're alright.
Goddamn, this has been a pain in the ass... I don't know why, but it's been much more stressful than it should be... ugh...
I'll update in more detail tomorrow..
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16268326 - 05/22/12 05:05 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Okay guys, so the holes in my tub are actually too high.
It's a bit concerning, they are a whole 1 1/2" above the substrate. What should I do? Make more substrate and add it? I finished the tub 11 hours ago.
Also, the jars smelled slightly sweet close up. I had to get close to smell it, but it was a bit odd.
What should I do about the substrate depth problem?
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16268521 - 05/22/12 05:42 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Less you mess with it, the better off you'll be.
WBS has a rather odd smell compared to rye.
Doesn't mean it's necessarily bad, you'll get familiar with it.
But a bad smell, as opposed to a weird one, might be a sign of trouble.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: Doc_T]
#16268855 - 05/22/12 06:59 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
Less you mess with it, the better off you'll be.
WBS has a rather odd smell compared to rye.
Doesn't mean it's necessarily bad, you'll get familiar with it.
But a bad smell, as opposed to a weird one, might be a sign of trouble.
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call it "bad". It didn't smell sour or rotten, but it was sweet, and possibly a little stale. Thing is, the odor was not very strong, and even when I had all of the spawn dumped into the monotub, I had to stick my head pretty close to smell it. Unfortunately I'm not experienced enough to know what healthy WBS jars smell like.
I guess I'll just have to wait and see. These jars have been behaving strangely.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16268944 - 05/22/12 07:15 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Sweet isn't good either. It should just smell mushroomy once the WBS is colonized.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: Kizzle]
#16268964 - 05/22/12 07:19 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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^^^ but not as distinctly mushroomy as rye, in my experience.
It's a different smell. But it's hard to talk about smells in words.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16274191 - 05/23/12 07:01 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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psychoanomaly said:
Okay guys, so the holes in my tub are actually too high.
It's a bit concerning, they are a whole 1 1/2" above the substrate. What should I do? Make more substrate and add it? I finished the tub 11 hours ago.
Also, the jars smelled slightly sweet close up. I had to get close to smell it, but it was a bit odd.
What should I do about the substrate depth problem?
This isn't a problem. I've had them like that many times and everything went well. Just leave it and you'll be fine provided that your spawn is ok.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: redcat]
#16274520 - 05/23/12 08:20 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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Thanks! Hopefully within the next two weeks I'll be posting pics of a nice, healthy monotub!
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16274571 - 05/23/12 08:30 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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My holes are at least an inch above my sub, because I completely guesstimated and didn't want to fill my tub, mark holes, then empty to drill. It hasn't given me any problems, you will be fine dude.
Just remember to measure it out better next time you make a tub. Fan more often to compensate for your misplaced holes.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: orange771]
#16281203 - 05/25/12 12:29 AM (1 year, 13 hours ago) |
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I've definitely learned a lot from this project. Next time I hope things go A LOT smoother..
I don't know what my deal has been, but this project has been a major pain in the ass. I've been making all kinds of little mistakes left and right.
Hopefully I still get some fruits  I can't wait to check on the tub's progress at the end of the month.
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: psychoanomaly]
#16281274 - 05/25/12 12:39 AM (1 year, 13 hours ago) |
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I never did get that kind of monotub to work right, don't sweat it. 
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: Doc_T]
#16281454 - 05/25/12 01:22 AM (1 year, 12 hours ago) |
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Start using horse manure... You pasteurize it and at worst you have too much and you can just toss the extra.
That way you don't have to plan your setup around a 1 brick of coir + added ingredients formula. You can drill your hole wherever (2", 4", whatever) and just fill with poo/spawn until you get to the level of the holes. Leave the top layer mostly all poo. Let colonize. Let consolidate. Fruit. Success... Horse poo is so easy and sooo nutritious (for myc anyway!).
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Re: concerned I drilled my monotub holes too low... [Re: Doc_T]
#16281861 - 05/25/12 03:40 AM (1 year, 10 hours ago) |
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Project said:
Start using horse manure... You pasteurize it and at worst you have too much and you can just toss the extra.
That way you don't have to plan your setup around a 1 brick of coir + added ingredients formula. You can drill your hole wherever (2", 4", whatever) and just fill with poo/spawn until you get to the level of the holes. Leave the top layer mostly all poo. Let colonize. Let consolidate. Fruit. Success... Horse poo is so easy and sooo nutritious (for myc anyway!).
I'll definitely consider horse poo next try! It seems like it produces larger fruits in greater quantities than coir does. Is this true?
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I never did get that kind of monotub to work right, don't sweat it.
Interesting Doc. What kind of issues do you typically run into using this method? What methods would you recommend?
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