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PEYOTE DOSAGE?

#16181665 - 05/04/12 02:54 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

Hi, have a look at this Lophophora Williamsii here.

Would it be enough for a trip? If so, a mellow; moderate or strong trip? I have been searching the net quite a bit on peyote dosage but I read things like 1-3 buttons being enough, then somewhere else I read 15 up to 20 buttons needed for a trip. How big/old should these buttons be anyway?? Confusing...

The peyote I showed you is quite old (I don't know how old exactly) and about 8 cm diameter. Afaik that's pretty big already. Anyone with a lot of experience/knowledge on this willing to help me out?

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16181764 - 05/04/12 03:22 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

eat it and find out. the whole thing, root and all.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16181824 - 05/04/12 03:37 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

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Fresh Peyote Dosages

Light
3 - 6 mid-sized buttons
50 - 100 g

Common
6 - 12 buttons
100 - 150 g

Strong
8 - 16 buttons
150 - 200 g

Heavy
15 + buttons
200 + g

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Don't eat it.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16181827 - 05/04/12 03:37 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

Actually the potting soil contains mescaline sulphates, you should take Ferrel's advice and then make a smoothie out of the soil! :grin:

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16181862 - 05/04/12 03:50 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

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RourkeAnderson said:
Actually the potting soil contains mescaline sulphates, you should take Ferrel's advice and then make a smoothie out of the soil!

funny you should say. i remember reading somewhere that the mescaline from the soil actuually seeps into the pot.

now i'm no expert but if the pot is ground up really fine, be it plastic or clay, this could be a good source for mescaline too.

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#16181921 - 05/04/12 04:04 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

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Don't eat it.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16181926 - 05/04/12 04:05 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

Ok then, not eating it is :wink:

I have two others like these exactly as big.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16181936 - 05/04/12 04:08 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

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clapauc said:
Ok then, not eating it is I have two others like these exactly as big

that big one you got has got a pup.

graft it. see it take off. let it flower and plant the seed.

when you have a mighty peyoot garden then partake of it all you want.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16181960 - 05/04/12 04:14 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

I'm guessing a "Button" is a horizontal section about 1/2" thick. If that specimen were made into buttons it would equal @ 6; Right?

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16182002 - 05/04/12 04:25 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

No, a button is the green part of the plant, without the roots.

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#16183197 - 05/04/12 09:44 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

Thank you very much for your reactions. It seems there's much more needed than I thought.. I have 2 other peyotes just as big, one being with a lot of pups. You think even all that wouldn't be enough? I can post some pictures if anyone would like to see them. I Guess maybe it's better not touch them and wait for my seedlings to mature... Got some peruvians about a year old, and some peyotes now almost two years old and they're still only as big as a pea...

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16183592 - 05/04/12 11:16 PM (1 year, 17 days ago)

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clapauc said:
Thank you very much for your reactions. It seems there's much more needed than I thought.. I have 2 other peyotes just as big, one being with a lot of pups. You think even all that wouldn't be enough? I can post some pictures if anyone would like to see them. I Guess maybe it's better not touch them and wait for my seedlings to mature... Got some peruvians about a year old, and some peyotes now almost two years old and they're still only as big as a pea...

glad you changed your mind , you wouldve felt like a right muppet if you had have killed them for nothing.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16184047 - 05/05/12 01:01 AM (1 year, 16 days ago)

Buy some Bridgesii from one of our sponsors to take your journey and treat the Loph to the respect it deserves..

Edited by golfin_ernie (05/05/12 01:02 AM)

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16184890 - 05/05/12 07:22 AM (1 year, 16 days ago)

Yea I have a bridgesii here as well and a torch. Both at about 10 cm. Also a pachanoi cristate. I have eaten 4 pachanois in the past, always a foot. Three trips being very mellow but enjoyable and one being really amazing. Can't wait for my next cactus experience since that one :wink:

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I won't touch the peyos tho.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16185375 - 05/05/12 11:48 AM (1 year, 16 days ago)

lets see some pics of all of them

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16186526 - 05/05/12 05:19 PM (1 year, 16 days ago)

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clapauc said:
Thank you very much for your reactions. It seems there's much more needed than I thought.. I have 2 other peyotes just as big, one being with a lot of pups. You think even all that wouldn't be enough? I can post some pictures if anyone would like to see them. I Guess maybe it's better not touch them and wait for my seedlings to mature... Got some peruvians about a year old, and some peyotes now almost two years old and they're still only as big as a pea...

i think i can recall reading somewhere that a peyote plant can take up to 50 years for it to reach adulthood, hence the need to consume larger amounts of the buttons.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16190072 - 05/06/12 01:40 PM (1 year, 15 days ago)

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churchblotter said:
Quote:

clapauc said:
Thank you very much for your reactions. It seems there's much more needed than I thought.. I have 2 other peyotes just as big, one being with a lot of pups. You think even all that wouldn't be enough? I can post some pictures if anyone would like to see them. I Guess maybe it's better not touch them and wait for my seedlings to mature... Got some peruvians about a year old, and some peyotes now almost two years old and they're still only as big as a pea...

i think i can recall reading somewhere that a peyote plant can take up to 50 years for it to reach adulthood, hence the need to consume larger amounts of the buttons.

So you are actually saying one could be enough if it's old enough? I'll upload some pictures of all of them soon.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16190368 - 05/06/12 03:11 PM (1 year, 15 days ago)

So for those willing to see my little cacti collection, here it is :smile:

These are my peruvian torch seedlings.

Then here are the other two big peyotes.

This is supposed to be a peruvian torch

This is my bridgesii, very beautiful I think :smile:

2 of my 6 peyote seedlings, very little

Here another peyote. I went on a holiday for three months, had my brother looking after my cacti. When I came back it had this white stuff on it as you can see. I think it had a little bit too much water. When I touched it it would feel soft, now two months later it feels hard again so it should survive.

Then this is my pachanoi cristate

As you can see this one unfortunately had gotten some white stuff on it too. It had a part left below rotting, because it was touching the soil. I cut the rotting part of. I hope it will be fine.

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#16191469 - 05/06/12 08:14 PM (1 year, 15 days ago)

So from the info I gathered, the six or more pups around IMG_jpg_5048 would be more potent than the larger parent plant.

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Re: Would this peyote contain enough mescaline etc to trip from?

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#16191485 - 05/06/12 08:17 PM (1 year, 15 days ago)

curious to hear explanation

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So from the info I gathered, the six or more pups around IMG_jpg_5048 would be more potent than the larger parent plant.

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#16191540 - 05/06/12 08:30 PM (1 year, 15 days ago)

That is hard to believe. Then what would be the point in grafting for example? ..

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#16191787 - 05/06/12 09:24 PM (1 year, 15 days ago)

They grow to flowering faster when grafted? resulting in a quicker supply of seedlings to be harvested?

Or the trauma of grafting reults in an increased abundance of seeds?

Edited by Buster_Brown (05/06/12 09:25 PM)

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#16191928 - 05/06/12 09:50 PM (1 year, 15 days ago)

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Buster_Brown said:
They grow to flowering faster when grafted? resulting in a quicker supply of seedlings to be harvested?

Or the trauma of grafting reults in an increased abundance of seeds?

they grow faster on a stock. you get more flowers and more seeds. you scrifice mescaline though.

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#16205790 - 05/09/12 07:03 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

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islanduniverse said:
curious to hear explanation

Because we eat the buttons and not the fatties. Correct?

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#16208564 - 05/10/12 06:49 AM (1 year, 11 days ago)

Would this specimen plump up and reproduce when it's pups are removed?

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#16210602 - 05/10/12 05:43 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

nice li'l garden...
harvesting just the tops... cut off the pincushion part... the root will grow a living layer of pups... maybe dust the scar area with sulpher powder...
you could graft tops or pups onto san pedro stock for faster loph. growth...
3 big buttons might give a threshold trip (maybe 100-150 mg mesc base?)
you could add some san pedro (maybe 6 inches or so?) to boost mesc up past threshold level...

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#16214516 - 05/11/12 12:42 PM (1 year, 10 days ago)

your big plants would be big enough if you took 2-3 of them for 1 person. this last year has had me experimenting more with peyote, and i was amazed how much needed to be eaten to get "strong" effects.

some good rules of thumb:
never go by buttons unless you have a lot to use. size varies too much. its like saying i will buy a car without knowing if its a smart car or a full size caddy.

take more than 200g fresh of cultivated plants (ie plants that are watered).; that will be a low dose, which is still often nice

always have more on hand, if its not doing a thing after a couple hours, eat some more.

i remember in fear and loathing when they went swimming on mesc, and he said good mescaline comes on slow. i never really gave it much thought, but it seems true.

for faster effect dry, grind, make tea. eating fresh/dry cactus makes it take a while to kick in. hard to swallow with the taste too, but not THAT bad.

fast. dont eat all day. i fast for 24 hours no wand dose lower for most things, and the nausea is far far better on you.

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#16238550 - 05/16/12 07:19 AM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Buttons, pincushions, bleeps, blorpz ?? I believe Buster_brown is saying those smaller ones are possibly more potent than one of these big ones? Then gnrm23 and kadakuda are saying the three big ones would only give a threshold trip. So what if one ate them all three including the pups? What if one ate only the pups? I'll check what I can find on the smaller ones being more potent than the big ones.

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#16238825 - 05/16/12 09:21 AM (1 year, 5 days ago)

I preconceived the notion that collected from the wild all buttons were aprox' the same size and that the large one would easily meet the requirement for the common fresh dosage of 100-150 grams. Now I think I'll need a lot more than I thought.

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#16238845 - 05/16/12 09:30 AM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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Buster_Brown said:
So from the info I gathered, the six or more pups around IMG_jpg_5048 would be more potent than the larger parent plant.

This is what you said. Why would those collected from the wild all be the same size? Also I see a lot of people talking about 'mid-sized buttons' but how big is mid-sized? It all only gets more confusing to me. :stoned2:

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#16239285 - 05/16/12 11:44 AM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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ferrel_human said:
eat it and find out. the whole thing, root and all.

Not a good idea. The roots of Lophophora have been known to harbor Clostridium botulinum, a bacterium which releases neurotoxins and is responsible for food poisoning.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/peyote/peyote_media6.shtml

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#16239343 - 05/16/12 12:04 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

Everything harbors botulism. It says in the erowid article that the peyote was improperly stored in jars for months before eating. Pretty much the reason why canning/preserving food was invented.
Not sure why the indians or anyone would think peyote would be immune to food born illness. Silly barbarians :smirk:

Ferral wasn't seriously suggesting that anyway.

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#16240541 - 05/16/12 04:33 PM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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Big L said:
Everything harbors botulism. It says in the erowid article that the peyote was improperly stored in jars for months before eating. Pretty much the reason why canning/preserving food was invented.
Not sure why the indians or anyone would think peyote would be immune to food born illness. Silly barbarians

Ferral wasn't seriously suggesting that anyway.

Weird, afaik they were pretty smart. Maybe you trip way harder from those bad peyos lol. I know ferrel was joking.

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#16246331 - 05/17/12 07:13 PM (1 year, 4 days ago)

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Big L said:
Everything harbors botulism. It says in the erowid article that the peyote was improperly stored in jars for months before eating. Pretty much the reason why canning/preserving food was invented.
Not sure why the indians or anyone would think peyote would be immune to food born illness. Silly barbarians

Ferral wasn't seriously suggesting that anyway.

i was not. but it made him think didnt it. :wink:

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