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Seanfu said:

This implies that all drugs make you dumb or reduce cognitive function. Ever heard of Adderall, piracetam, even tobacco can be a mental stimulant. All I can get from this is trolling, I cant imagine this is serious.

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Far from trolling Sean

All I am attempting to do is have a discussion about the intelligence about doing drugs, stimulants, that decrease our cognitive ability to reason. In other words, reduce our intelligence.

I am not attacking the pharmaceutical industry as a whole. I wish to enter no debate on that validity of drugs which are beneficial to our heath. I merely speak of drugs that we take for recreation that tend to make our thinking more inhibited and our minds weak.

It can be clearly shown in history that drugs and alcohol have been supplied to naive people to subdue them.

examples: -Opium trade in China by the British Empire
                -Alcohol to Indian's in America

I believe that I can demonstrate that in American culture that drugs, tobacco, and alcohol have always been portrayed in the media over all as "the right thing to do in successful societies.








All I am attempting to do is have a discussion about the intelligence about doing drugs, stimulants, that decrease our cognitive ability to reason. In other words, reduce our intelligence.

Could it be possible that like laboratory rats, we really are being controlled in ways we are not fully aware of?

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Absent Minded said:
You think they smuggled and dumped all the dope into the ghettos of this country during Vietnam for shits and giggles?

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Seanfu said:
If you ask me a little ganja and psychedelic experiences are the least of our concern.

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HarveyWalbanger said:
As near as I can tell,  You took the drugs on your own; despite them being quite illegal and relatively expensive.  ...Regardless of anyone else's intentions, you did it to yourself.

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HarveyWalbanger said:
As near as I can tell,  You took the drugs on your own; despite them being quite illegal and relatively expensive.  ...Regardless of anyone else's intentions, you did it to yourself.

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The_Aviator said:
This doesn't make sense to me. My friends and I mainly use drugs for the change in perspective so that we can learn more about ourselves and reality. A couple of trips concurrent with a good philosophy course is just great for those that love to think. Psychedelics and dissociatives have both helped me to see the absurdity of our existence and the fecund contradictions that define our ambiguous relationship with reality.

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HarveyWalbanger said:
As near as I can tell,  You took the drugs on your own; despite them being quite illegal and relatively expensive.  ...Regardless of anyone else's intentions, you did it to yourself.

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This is very true. Any drug user can have a different reason to use drugs. Drugs affect people in a variety of different ways but it all comes down to the specific person's thoughts and actions.

A lot of people are stupid. With or without drugs.

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Excellent, thank you.

One of the reasons I post things on here is to allow folks to use a bit of that grey matter inside their heads to reason their reality and determine if things make sense.

We know during the early part of the twentieth century there was an epidemic of the population that smoked tobacco and consumed alcohol.
One would have to wonder what factors motivated folks to follow this behavior?

Like I said earlier, If I could sell a pill that made folks 30% smarter, one would assume the world would beat a path to my door to buy it.

If I was to sell a pill that makes people stupid, you would wonder why folks still continue to beat a path to drug dealers door to buy it?

Has anyone ever wondered why the media tends to advertise and show us television shows that over all, program us to be stupid?


I am of the opinion that many people that do drugs that cause them to be stupid, have been conditioned to think, that somehow it is the popular thing to do to fit in.

You see it everywhere. Look at the unwise folks that put them selves in vast debt so they can show off to their buddies how fashionably unwise  they are.



Look at shows like...."love it or list it", or "Property virgins"


Few of us have been taught to think and reason. We just learn to mimic.
So what we see on television, etc, we mimic to fit in.


I use to smoke cigarettes, pot, do acid, LSD, etc, etc, because I was under the impression that it made me cool, and would impress the girls etc. The influence of that behavior was by the media, television, magazines, radio.

One day I woke up and asked myself. Why am I smoking or putting things into my body that make me over all less intelligent.

So here we are having a discussion about it.

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resonant111 said:
no government would ever support a boundary dissolving drug like psilocybin...

they want people to drink beer (makes people territorial as fuck in large doses, just go to a bar and see) and watch television (opiate of the masses). they want the people to be numb to reality, not expanded psychically, physically and emotionally.

no government supports psychedelics...opiates and depressants, yes, but boundary dissolving drugs, no way sir.

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resonant111 said:
no government would ever support a boundary dissolving drug like psilocybin...

they want people to drink beer (makes people territorial as fuck in large doses, just go to a bar and see) and watch television (opiate of the masses). they want the people to be numb to reality, not expanded psychically, physically and emotionally.

no government supports psychedelics...opiates and depressants, yes, but boundary dissolving drugs, no way sir.

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But do they really want people to drink beer and watch television? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and I see none. I think the governments of the world are largely impartial and it is the people that want to drink beer and watch television. On the other hand, many corporations and capitalist machines probably want people to drink beer and watch television. It is all about the money.

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I suppose I should explain my theory of the machine in charge.

Ruling Elite = Kings + Queens [which in turn make Corporations]
           
              Corporations create > Industrial Military Complex.

              Industrial Military Complex > Government

              Government > Controls the peasants

In this process the people are actually trained lab rats who are under the misconception that they control the process.

In conclusion, most people have no idea that the reality in which they exist is not at all, what is real. Our behavior, knowledge, perception is quite controlled.





The evidence is out there, but you have to do some research to understand it.




It is not the magician's job to explain to you how he pulls the rabbit out of the hat.




It would be naive to believe that television does more than just entertain our feeble mind.

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sloantbone said:

Few of us have been taught to think and reason. We just learn to mimic.

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sloantbone said:

Few of us have been taught to think and reason. We just learn to mimic.

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Yes. Yes. Quote of the year.

Psychedelics in particular I do not feel necessarily make you dumber. At least in moderation. Television, media, and mainstream ideals all seem to work together in distracting a person and discourage critical thinking. It isn't cool to analyse a social situation (i.e. a party.) It isn't funny to question how Loony Tunes would be if physics were applied. As a whole the population exposed to commercialism and bombarding advertisements seems to be losing the ability to reason. It is not the drugs. At least... that's not the main cause.

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Thank you, I actually now don't feel so isolated in this room.

Psychedelics, as well as other stimulants help to allow us to see reality from a different perspective.
Seeing reality from a different perspective gives us that ability to compare and question things that don't add up.
Most folks clue in that normal reality doesn't add up to smart logic.



Like how these idiots walk around with their pants down ....looking like they just shit their pants.