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Satanism...
    #16136092 - 04/25/12 01:30 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

So I started thinking today. My whole like I was raised in a Roman Catholic household (no wonder I turned out the way I did.) All my life I was told if you are good and don't sin, then you will go up to heaven, a beautiful place and live with god and his angels forever in happiness.

If you are bad however, you go to a fiery place where the dead wish they were dead and you're tortured and raped by demons.

I abandoned these views when I was younger. I think Christianity is a crock of shit. I believe in spirits and the like, but not Christianity. For christ sake one of the most common stories is Adam and Eve, they fuck right? And have kids right? Then those kids fuck and have kids... And so on and so forth. I do not support a religion that tells children lies about inbred little fucks running around.

Anywho... It got me thinking, I've never heard the other side of the story... I researched a little but still never got an answer, what are the benefits of worshiping Satan/lucifer/what ever his/her original name was before people tweaked it with other religions? What are the teachings? I'm not talking about satanism like the satanic bible that one fuck made up. I'm talking true original satanism. Are there roots to pagans at all? I have family who practices "paganism".


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136096 - 04/25/12 01:32 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136098 - 04/25/12 01:32 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

pagans are non christians, broad term..


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136104 - 04/25/12 01:34 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Christianity isn't bullshit, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  The modern church is 90% bullshit, you're right about that. 

Look into Gnostic Christianity.  Satanism is fine but it's going to lead you down a weird, lonely road.


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Atheist]
    #16136107 - 04/25/12 01:36 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Well I'm very unfamiliar with the shit I wasn't brainwashed with from an early age. From what I understand there are supposedly multiple gods/entities? I'm really curious about "Satan".


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136113 - 04/25/12 01:37 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

over 200,000,000 gods in Hinduism


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136121 - 04/25/12 01:38 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

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Mescalean said:
Well I'm very unfamiliar with the shit I wasn't brainwashed with from an early age. From what I understand there are supposedly multiple gods/entities? I'm really curious about "Satan".




well then read the wikipedia bro


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Atheist]
    #16136131 - 04/25/12 01:39 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

No shit. I actually think that's interesting. Are they all "God" gods? Or more so like the main boss gods and then there are their bitches? Hundres I could picture, Millions is just insane (not in a bad way).


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Re: Satanism... [Re: g00ru]
    #16136134 - 04/25/12 01:40 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

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I'm talking true original satanism. Are there roots to pagans at all? I have family who practices "paganism".




paganism was around before christianity, and there have been many variations in different cultures.  Satanism began in response to christianity, from what I understand, and there are/were two main branches of satanism which go about it differently. I don't remember the specifics, but it shouldn't be too hard to look up


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Atheist]
    #16136139 - 04/25/12 01:41 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

I was watching this recently, and you might find it interesting.

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Michael W. Ford discusses Thelemic Magick and Luciferianism with specific relation to the removal of the Judeo-Christian absolutes of "Good vs Evil"




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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136147 - 04/25/12 01:41 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

^ I don't want to read the Wikipedia.

And I tried looking it up and there were so many "modern" types that it didn't give a straight answer. Half the shit was just plain bashing it and a one sided view.


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136158 - 04/25/12 01:44 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Satanism like all other religions is silly. Lucifer actually was the name of an ancient Babylonian King. He was a real guy, not a mythical evil creature. Cuneiform tablets prove this.

Basically there is no benefit to worshiping Satan, except maybe for the low self esteem girls. Fuck 'em for the devil, lol, if I can bust my nut I'll go along with their dumb shit, at least for a while. Lolz


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136163 - 04/25/12 01:45 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

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^ I don't want to read the Wikipedia.

And I tried looking it up and there were so many "modern" types that it didn't give a straight answer. Half the shit was just plain bashing it and a one sided view.




Wikipedia is a very balanced source :shrug:


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Rail_Gun]
    #16136177 - 04/25/12 01:49 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

look up aleister crowley if you want to get into serious anti-christian. he was a practitioner of sex magic and other occultist activities. he was also pretty fuckin brilliant.

satanism is pretty much all propoganda but crowley was actually for real with his practices.


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136181 - 04/25/12 01:50 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

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Satanism is a group of religions that is composed of a diverse number of ideological and philosophical beliefs and social phenomena. Their shared feature include symbolic association with, admiration for the character of, and even veneration of Satan or similar rebellious, promethean, and liberating figures.

Satanist groups that appeared after the 1960s are widely diverse, but two major trends are Theistic Satanism and Atheistic Satanism. Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity. In contrast, Atheistic Satanists[3] consider themselves atheists, agnostics, or apatheists and regard Satan as merely symbolic of certain human traits.










from Anton LeVey's modern Church of Satanism (this would fall under atheistic satanism, I guess)


Satanism: A five-point program:

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In recent years, we’ve wasted far too much time explaining that Satanism has nothing to do with kidnapping, drug abuse, child molestation, animal or child sacrifice, or any number of other acts that idiots, hysterics or opportunists would like to credit us with. Satanism is a life-loving, rational philosophy that millions of people adhere to. Now we’re ready for something that goes quite a few steps beyond just explaining our principles. Every revisionist movement needs a set of goals/guidelines that are clear, concrete, and that will effect significant changes.

The following Five-Point Program reflects attitudes which allow others to decide whether they wish to align themselves with Satanism or not. Each is necessary for Satanic change to take place. When asked what we’re “doing,” here’s the answer:

1. Stratification—The point on which all the others ultimately rest. There can be no more myth of “equality” for all—it only translates to “mediocrity” and supports the weak at the expense of the strong. Water must be allowed to seek its own level without interference from apologists for incompetence. No one should be protected from the effects of his own stupidity.

2. Strict taxation of all churches—If churches were taxed for all their income and property, they’d crumble overnight of their own obsolescence, and the National Debt would be wiped out as quickly. The productive, the creative, the resourceful should be subsidized. So long as the useless and incompetent are getting paid, they should be heavily taxed.

3. No tolerance for religious beliefs secularized and incorporated into law and order issues—to re-establish “Lex Talionis” would require a complete overturning of the present in-justice system based on Judeo-Christian ideals, where the victim/defender has been made the criminal. Amnesty should be considered for anyone in prison because of his alleged “influence” upon the actual perpetrator of the crime. Everyone is influenced in what he or she does. Scapegoating has become a way of life, a means of survival for the unfit. As an extension of the Judeo-Christian cop-out of blaming the Devil for everything, criminals can gain leniency, even praise, by placing the blame on a convenient villain. Following the Satanic creed of “Responsibility to the responsible,” in a Satanic society, everyone must experience the consequences of his own actions—for good or ill.

4. Development and production of artificial human companions—The forbidden industry. An economic “godsend” which will allow everyone “power” over someone else. Polite, sophisticated, technologically feasible slavery. And the most profitable industry since T.V. and the computer.

5. The opportunity for anyone to live within a total environment of his or her choice, with mandatory adherence to the aesthetic and behavioral standards of same—Privately owned, operated and controlled environments as an alternative to homogenized and polyglot ones. The freedom to insularize oneself within a social milieu of personal well-being. An opportunity to feel, see, and hear that which is most aesthetically pleasing, without interference from those who would pollute or detract from that option.

This is the encapsulated version of the current thrust of Satanic advocacy. So when someone asks you, “Well, what do Satanists do?”, you will be qualified to tell him.







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THE NINE SATANIC SINS

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.







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THE ELEVEN SATANIC RULES OF THE EARTH

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.





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THE NINE SATANIC STATEMENTS
1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!


9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!





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Re: Satanism... [Re: the bizzle]
    #16136186 - 04/25/12 01:51 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

^^^ my friends were into that in high school but grew out of it


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136198 - 04/25/12 01:55 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Just google satanism. As for satanism being pagan, what does pagan even mean? Worshiping nature spirits? I was raised catholic and after researching ancient rituals from Egypt and Sumeria I saw to many similarities.  Amen Ra the sun god, Madonna and child worship etc etc and some would have you believe Catholicism is remnants of reptile religions lost:wow: anyway but to be honest I am not entirely sure what it is to be a pagan. I picture rituals and herbs, being in  nature and the progress of the seasons.:shrug:


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Re: Satanism... [Re: cacharstar]
    #16136250 - 04/25/12 02:08 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

check these lyrics out. this band is fucked up, but amusing. :lol:

supposedly theyre satanists but its all for propaganda. like i  mentioned before.

Sunsets in Scorpio
The new day is gone
This world was dead and done before I was born
All around me is misery
The living dead trying to drag me down

I stalk the streets at night be afraid it's knife or be knifed
Cities graveyards the dead will rise
Grinning ghouls that I despise
Children raped and mothers killed
All around us animals blood will be spilled

This world is dead, this world is bled

Children worship deadeyes and cocaine
Lucifer laughs this is his domain
Dead fill the streets up to the sky
Tears fill my eyes but I will not die

This dead black asteroid crawling with maggots decayed
Black seas spew up leviathan
Even new gods are stillborn
When the earth finally crashes into the sun
Tears of joy at last as I burn

This world is dead, this world is bled

Children worship deadeyes and cocaine
Lucifer laughs this is his domain
Dead fill the streets up to the sky
Tears fill my eyes but I will not die

You've never known
You've never shown
You've never bled
You've never dead
You've never been
You've never seen
You've never had a fucking chance


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Re: Satanism... [Re: Mescalean]
    #16136260 - 04/25/12 02:10 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Satanism is for atheists with too much free time on their hands.


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Re: Satanism... [Re: the bizzle]
    #16136264 - 04/25/12 02:10 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

From what I read today Anton is full of shit, I mean the original entity that was later called satan. Basically the roots of Theistic Satanism. Who was satan in earlier religions and views before Christianity? This stuff is interesting to me. Not in the sense that I wish to practice it, but I just want to see different views, and this one fascinates me.

And that's how I always viewed it. I have one aunt in particular who practiced shit like that and voodoo for a little while, I was never allowed to meet her ):


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