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 dwpineal
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 School wants to test all students for drugs 
#16105849 - 04/18/12 11:12 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120418/ARTICLE/120419606
School wants to test all students for drugs
SARASOTA COUNTY - Students as young as 11 years old would be tested for use of marijuana, pills, cocaine and heroin under a proposal by a North Port charter school that wants to institute the region's most aggressive student testing program.
Imagine School at North Port hopes to begin drug testing students at its junior high school campus next school year, including sixth-graders. Students would be required to pass a drug test to attend the school and pass at least one random drug test per year to remain enrolled.
The school has not finalized how its policy would work, but officials — who are seeking School Board approval of the program — want to test each student at least once a year.
Students randomly selected for testing would be required to submit urine for analysis. Typically such tests can reveal use of marijuana, cocaine and heroin and some prescription drugs. Each test would cost $4 per person. The school would pay for the program.
Students who tested positive would get referred to drug counseling. Students who continue to test positive would be remove from Imagine and asked to return to their zoned district school.
The proposal has raised questions about whether the testing would violate a student's Fourth Amendment right not to be subject to unreasonable search.
But boosted by two U.S. Supreme Court rulings, a small number of public school districts in Florida, including in Manatee County, already drug test athletes and students involved in extracurricular activities.
But the high court stopped short of allowing blanket testing of all students as proposed by Imagine School at North Port, which is run by a management company that operates 75 schools in 12 states including 17 in Florida.
"This potentially at least is violating constitutional rights of students," Sarasota School Board Attorney Art Hardy advised School Board members at a meeting Tuesday. "If they can do it, I don't know why others can't."
But any legal objections by the board would be murky because the district has allowed Sarasota Military Academy, also a charter school, to drug test its students since 2004.
Officials there began testing after obtaining a legal opinion from the Florida Department of Education's Office of General Counsel. It stated that students who elect to attend the academy with its rigorous dress code and discipline "subject themselves to a degree of regulation even higher than that imposed on students generally."
Hardy said the Imagine School has a more traditional school curriculum.
Justin Matthews, head of Imagine School at North Port, said drug testing would make the campus safer for students and provide children a cast-iron excuse to opt out when friends pressure them to try an illegal substance.
More than 70 percent of teenagers aged between 15 and 17 reported using alcohol or illicit drugs, according to the 2010 Florida Youth Substance Abuse Survey.
"It's very clear that students in this area at some time will probably be exposed to at least the potential to try illegal drugs," Matthews said. "This is one more thing the school is trying to do in our local area to be part of the solution."
Matthews said existing students whose parents objected to testing could be exempted, but the policy would not be optional for new students.
"We certainly are not looking to violate any person's civil liberties," Matthews said. "We're trying to create a culture of awareness and positive choices."
He said the final policy has not been written, including which grade levels would be tested. An email sent to the school district states that testing would be for grade six and up.
Advocates of drug testing students say it works by deterring students from trying drugs.
In Manatee County, 17 students out of 700 tested gave positive tests in 2008. The number fell to just 4 out of 872 tests in the last school year.
Sarasota Military averages about 3 positive tests per year, said Principal Dan Kennedy. "I know a lot of kids' futures have been saved by this policy," Kennedy said.
But civil rights advocates say the random tests are unconstitutional.
"They are inviting a legal challenge based on violation of the Fourth Amendment," said Derek Newton, a spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida.
Imagine's proposal could lead it into a clash with the Sarasota County School Board.
Charter schools - which are publicly funded but privately run — operate under a charter granted by the local school board or in some instances by the state.
Board members indicated Tuesday they have no intention of amending the charter for the Imagine school, mainly because they fear the district could then be liable if there was a legal challenge to testing.
"Our legal opinion is, 'no we don't drug test our students,'" said Board Member Shirley Brown.
But Matthews said he is prepared to apply for a charter amendment and would expect to get approval.
He said other charter schools, including Indian River Charter High School in Vero Beach, already drug test every student.
"Given there are schools in the state and in the county that already have this procedure in place, I wouldn't consider it to be a difficult decision, and it's one we wish to pursue fully," he said.
Matthews said the next step for the school would be to submit an amended charter for board consideration; that has not yet happened.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: dwpineal]
#16105892 - 04/18/12 11:28 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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civil rights advocates say the random tests are unconstitutional.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: rodfarva]
#16106021 - 04/18/12 12:14 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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haha what a fucking joke have no one learned based of trying to test all unemployment people or workers or schools is a 100% fail? Our worlds on repeat i swear. please it seems like anyone who isn't on this site has no idea what the fuck the real worlds like.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: mushiefeet]
#16106041 - 04/18/12 12:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Some how I think this random drug testing thing is a shake down. The company who makes the piss tests goes to some institution probably convincing/bribing the higher ups at the institution " it's for safety, if their doing nothing wrong then they have nothing to worry about" then boom! Big pay off for that drug testing company.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: Inspiration]
#16106088 - 04/18/12 12:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Inspiration said:
Some how I think this random drug testing thing is a shake down. The company who makes the piss tests goes to some institution probably convincing/bribing the higher ups at the institution " it's for safety, if their doing nothing wrong then they have nothing to worry about" then boom! Big pay off for that drug testing company.
My aunt works in a hospital, and she tells me pharmaceutical companies come in there ALL the time and bring doctors flowers, lunch etc.
Just as an incentive for them to prescribe their medication as much as possible.
So your assumption, would not surprise me if it were true.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: Big Worm]
#16106099 - 04/18/12 12:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Guess who owns a drug testing company? The governor of Florida obviously....
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/money/gov-rick-scotts-drug-testing-policy-stirs-suspicion-1350922.html
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One of the more popular services at Solantic, the urgent care chain co-founded by Florida Gov. Rick Scott, is drug testing, according to Solantic CEO Karen Bowling.
Given Solantic's role in that marketplace, critics are again asking whether Scott's policy initiatives - this time, requiring drug testing of state employees and welfare recipients - are designed to benefit Scott's bottom line.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: dwpineal]
#16106163 - 04/18/12 12:55 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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dwpineal said:
Justin Matthews, head of Imagine School at North Port, said drug testing would make the campus safer for students and provide children a cast-iron excuse to opt out when friends pressure them to try an illegal substance.
Yeah, little drug pusher Timmy is totally going to take your excuse that you want to suck up to those wussy teachers. That's really cool.
*snicker*teacher's pet*snicker*
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: dwpineal]
#16106227 - 04/18/12 01:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Every single student should refuse the drug test.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: thirtygoats]
#16106254 - 04/18/12 01:27 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Testing the students, but not testing the faculty eh? Haha. 
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: rodfarva] 1
#16106282 - 04/18/12 01:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Now that is fucked up!
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: dwpineal]
#16106302 - 04/18/12 01:40 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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"Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power."
~P.J O'rourke
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: trip forever]
#16106348 - 04/18/12 01:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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well didnt read the comments or article but just like to add........
dont get scared kiddies if yall all go in to those tests and fail the school systems alternative centers would run out of room thus theyed back file you into on campus suspension, once that back fires theyll have to set up special classes to house you bad bad non mainstream children
so basically nothing would change maybe sequirty would go up and things would get stricter but theres no way the school system could deal with that many suspended kids or ac'ed or ocs'ed kids
same thing goes for the prison system
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: senorcafe]
#16106502 - 04/18/12 02:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hah a sixth grade rebellion would be awesome!
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: Tranzfixed]
#16107094 - 04/18/12 05:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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 fuck this shit...
Stoner internet outrage. 
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: King Klick]
#16109248 - 04/19/12 12:38 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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These aren't public schools, these schools have incentive to select only the brightest students. Myth says thats the sober masses.
It would be interesting to see how such a policy would go down in public schools, and if the repercussions would be the final straw to unleash another civil rights movement.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: sk8ordude]
#16110313 - 04/19/12 08:03 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sk8ordude said:
These aren't public schools, these schools have incentive to select only the brightest students. Myth says thats the sober masses.
It would be interesting to see how such a policy would go down in public schools, and if the repercussions would be the final straw to unleash another civil rights movement.
This is what I was thinking too. I disagree with this but nobody is forcing you to put your kids in private schools. If you don't like the policy, pull your kids out. Now public schools, that would be absolutely nuts. For sure unconstitutional
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: sk8ordude]
#16110369 - 04/19/12 08:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sk8ordude said:
These aren't public schools, these schools have incentive to select only the brightest students. Myth says thats the sober masses.
It would be interesting to see how such a policy would go down in public schools, and if the repercussions would be the final straw to unleash another civil rights movement.
That's not entirely true...they are funded with public money...
I just would love to see the SCOTUS actually address this issue. It would be nice to know the contours of the 4th amendment with respect to searches without a prosecutorial purpose.
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: dwpineal]
#16110611 - 04/19/12 10:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Sarasota Military averages about 3 positive tests per year, said Principal Dan Kennedy. "I know a lot of kids' futures have been saved by this policy," Kennedy said.
How would kids futures be saved by kicking them out of the school?
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: digitalemu]
#16110620 - 04/19/12 10:17 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Sarasota Military averages about 3 positive tests per year, said Principal Dan Kennedy. "I know a lot of kids' futures have been saved by this policy," Kennedy said.
How would kids futures be saved by kicking them out of the school?
Its suggesting that the low number of positives are b/c the tests are there in the first place, so nobody gets into drugs so they don't get addicted. Sort of circular logic, and I bet you at least 2 if not all 3 of those positives are weed. But thats why
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Re: School wants to test all students for drugs [Re: bloodsheen]
#16111346 - 04/19/12 02:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Only in my state...
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