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StevenMichael said:
The constitution was made of horse shit and inscribed with blood and piss for ink. All you kids who want a revolution though, you must understand that you will need to start from the ground up. You are still halfway believing in a fairy tale. What kind of leader or societal influence are you personally? What kind of guerilla forces do you support to rule in a dictatorship after the powers that be are destroyed?

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But seriously, the constitution was printed on hemp most of the "four fathers" grew it.

And they were not as stupid as you insinuate, I think, though they really had no clue what they were doing. Some were angry businessmen in political clothing, some were intellectuals, Classicists with a deep knowledge of Latin/Greek, and a want to rebuild some sort of historical republic. But the pushes for this change were not necessarily about "freedom"; more about the freedom to tax our own profits and not send it overseas to England . They did not free slaves or give blanket equality, right?

They also never mentioned drugs though . They had no idea the beast that they were unleashing upon the world, though it took a long time for us (the country) to grasp anything, really~

And @Nullface; Nothing ever changes except with violence? That is childish dude, grow up~

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LongStrangeTrip said:

And they were not as stupid as you insinuate, I think, though they really had no clue what they were doing.

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StevenMichael said:
Well not really, that's just how they told you it used to be. It used to be just as, if not more, corrupt. The constitution is a bunch of thinly veiled bullshit, and we don't really have any constitutional rights in reality, it's just a lot of pretty talk. If they want you, you will be jailed or killed, regardless of whether you've even done anything against the law. By your logic, if you shoot a guy in a Mickey Mouse suit then the Disney corporation will crumble and fall.

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This and what I said are not that far off I don't understand what you think "I have been told" . What are you one of those dudes that thinks books and an education are horrible things?

But on this topic

More precisely what I was insinuating was that our Constitution was structured to cater to business interests; its been that way since day one. It is the leading cause as to why we had the revolution in the first place; those who had become monied + powerful were sick of sending cuts back to the empire overseas. I also said that there was really nothing that protected citizens rights, except for in the most basic of ways (freedom of speech, yadda yadda); it was "ahead" of its times, in comparison to other nations in the late 1700's, but it was really not that "special" in the rights that it gave. Like I said, we were still ripe with hypocrisy, slavery being one of the biggest things that stands out in the forefront of my mind. But that would have hurt business  

I really don't understand what you mean "by your logic"; what do you think I was saying?

There was a lot of intelligence amongst some of the framers, Franklin being a great example. He had a side of wanting to protect "business", but he was one who stood out in his progressiveness. If it was not for influence like his, many of our basic rights would probably be different.

And it is completely childish to blame THEM as well, seeing as how we have had 200+ years for legislators and judges to play and change around and make the constitution fit their own viewpoints. If you think ANYONE could have the "forethought" to predict what a country would be like in 50, 100, 250 years, your nuts. In the war of 1812 the White House was burned down and the whole country nearly with it. The civil war was absolutely ridiculous, some things FINALLY coming to a head. We had no real power till after ww2. Our history is very short~

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What? They were not as stupid as YOU insinuate. It's pretty clear they knew exactly what they were doing in regards to cultivating a false sense of power/choice in the common man, when really he has none. It's all horse shit; pimping at it's finest

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I don't agree at all you are giving them way too much credit I think.

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I don't care about politics though, the average person in general has such a low level of critical thinking skills that they will never see most facts about it, or that a revolution will be misguided and only make things worse.

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Your right.

How about instead of being in the ranks of the thoughtless, when it comes to History/Politics, you join us on the thinking side. We could use you

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StevenMichael said:
Well not really, that's just how they told you it used to be. It used to be just as, if not more, corrupt. The constitution is a bunch of thinly veiled bullshit, and we don't really have any constitutional rights in reality, it's just a lot of pretty talk. If they want you, you will be jailed or killed, regardless of whether you've even done anything against the law. By your logic, if you shoot a guy in a Mickey Mouse suit then the Disney corporation will crumble and fall.

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No, but it will put fear back in ZOG.

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StevenMichael said:
I didn't even read all the way through that post because you can't comprehend reply tags and are responding to two different posts mixed up together, when one of them is in reply to someone else in response to something they said. Take another stab at it.

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Well there is no insulting of you or anything like that

And it was directed at you, I just ramble a lot

you give it a shot

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Nullface said:
Not gonna happen.

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that belongs on a poster.

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StevenMichael said:
By your logic, if you shoot a guy in a Mickey Mouse suit then the Disney corporation will crumble and fall.

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Nullface said:
Drugs will never be legal without violence. NOTHING will ever change without violence. We've all been conditioned to think that violence isn't the answer yet have ANY peaceful protests worked in the past? Remember Vietnam? Remember all those cops calling the protestors hippie scum and beating them while they cried with their signs? What about Occupy Wallstreet? What did that solve? NOTHING. They laughed down at them on the balcony and drank champagne. The usual rebuttal to this argument usually goes back to 'being non-violent like Gandhi'. Have you taken a look at India lately? It's a huge shithole with living conditions ALMOST on par with a uncleaned McDonalds bathroom in most areas. He did NOTHING. Or how about the pictures of the monks setting themselves on fire to protest? That sure solved a lot. So now we can establish holding signs and suicide solves nothing. How about the offensive approach for once? Our country is in the shitter and it's only going to get worse with these corrupt politicians holding office. People seem to forget that they aren't immune to bullets. Keep crying on the internet demanding things to change while they send your emails straight into the Spam folder.

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Magick said:
I don't think legalization is the answer either. Legalization means just that, it's completely legal - as legal as a pack of skittles. A child can have a pack of skittles, eat those skittles, sell them, buy them, etc. There are no restrictions on when you can eat skittles, or what you can do after you've eaten them. There's nothing saying how many skittles you can eat, or saying that we can't eat skittles or have a sugar rush in public.

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LongStrangeTrip said:

And they were not as stupid as you insinuate, I think, though they really had no clue what they were doing.

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What? They were not as stupid as YOU insinuate. It's pretty clear they knew exactly what they were doing in regards to cultivating a false sense of power/choice in the common man, when really he has none. It's all horse shit; pimping at it's finest. I don't care about politics though, the average person in general has such a low level of critical thinking skills that they will never see most facts about it, or that a revolution will be misguided and only make things worse. So just let people who believe in politics get rattled up over their new favorite candidate and waste their time with it.

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Obama's trip to Colombia made headlines Friday night when a dozen Secret Service agents providing security on the trip were relieved of duty because of allegations of misconduct. the misconduct involved prostitutes in Cartagena, site of the Summit of the Americas.

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Obama said he doesn't "mind a debate" over drug legalization even though he doesn't believe it “is going to be the answer."

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