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 Batty Koda
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 Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here.  [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16100934 - 04/17/12 09:04 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Batty Koda said:
He is not a friend of the left.
That is one of the best things about him.
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old people will die in the hundreds of thousands.
There are 56 million Americans on Social Security, if Ron Paul gets his way and takes this away from them a very large percentage will become destitute. Will they all get spurred on by Ron Paul kicking them out of their homes and on to the cold street, set up their own businesses and become filthy rich like Romney and Paul? I don't think so, I think this belongs to the economic fantasy land I mentioned earlier. A lot of them will die of cold, suicide or malnutrition. Hundreds of thousands of them.
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: Batty Koda]
#16100943 - 04/17/12 09:09 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Right.
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“In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients.
Thomas Sowell
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Batty Koda
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16100956 - 04/17/12 09:20 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Right.
It's ok that you don't have time to respond to me with any arguements or anything. I know you right wing Republicans are busy shooting possums from the back of your Cheveys while this plays in the background.
I understand.
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luvdemshrooms
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Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 24,847
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: Batty Koda]
#16100963 - 04/17/12 09:24 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I'm neither right wing nor Republican. I don't drive a Chevy, and have never shot a possum.
Your claim is simply far too stupid to deserve more.
Arguing with someone who can't get beyond hyperbole is pointless. It's far more satisfying to laugh at those that take that path.
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“In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients.
Thomas Sowell
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Batty Koda
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Registered: 08/16/09
Posts: 191
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16100969 - 04/17/12 09:26 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
I'm neither right wing nor Republican. I don't drive a Chevy, and have never shot a possum.
Your claim is simply far too stupid to deserve more.
Arguing with someone who can't get beyond hyperbole is pointless. It's far more satisfying to laugh at those that take that path.
Oh I'm sorry, it's just your political views suggested otherwise.
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luvdemshrooms
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Posts: 24,847
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: Batty Koda]
#16100980 - 04/17/12 09:33 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Really? So in addition to saying stupid things, you think you know my political views?
I doubt you do, but here they are:
Opposed to "entitlement" spending.
Atheist.
I think abortion is OK, except for very late term.
Don't care if gays wed or are in the military.
Don't care where mosques are built.
Don't think all practitioners of Islam are evil.
Think drugs should be all legal.
Think marriage is a dumb idea.
Think government should mind it's own business.
Despise most politicians. I find them to be self-serving hacks who pass laws based on what will get them re-elected, rather than basing them on what is best for the country.
I vote for who best conforms to my beliefs, rather than what party they belong to.
Base my opinion on what the laws do, rather than by who proposed or voted for them.
Have voted for Dems on a number of occasions.
I'd describe myself as a fiscal conservative, social liberal who just wants his politicians to leave me the fuck alone. Don't regulate my personal behavior until it affects others. Don't regulate others behavior until it affects me. Don't forcibly take what I have earned, to hand out to those who have not.
Really. Stop saying such stupid things. You'll be better for it.
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“In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients.
Thomas Sowell
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Batty Koda
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Posts: 191
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16101018 - 04/17/12 09:52 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Atheist.
I think abortion is OK, except for very late term.
Don't care if gays wed or are in the military.
Don't care where mosques are built.
Don't think all practitioners of Islam are evil.
Think marriage is a dumb idea.
Despise most politicians. I find them to be self-serving hacks who pass laws based on what will get them re-elected, rather than basing them on what is best for the country.
I vote for who best conforms to my beliefs, rather than what party they belong to.
Base my opinion on what the laws do, rather than by who proposed or voted for them.
Have voted for Dems on a number of occasions.
All irrelevant in my opinion. Just distractions.
This is the one I care about.
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Opposed to "entitlement" spending.
People need that money and the American people have earned that money. The welfare system is a thank you to all the people who died fighting fascism in WW2. They were promised a better living standard for normal everyday people in return for their sacrifices in the war. Now people like you want to strip people of their economic rights and condemn them to death and poverty because you're so selfish you can't bare to give up a little bit of your paycheck to support them and the country as a whole. The country that provided you with education, roads, relative safety from crime, water, electricity and much more. But you don't want to give anything back.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't want to live in a country run by a government then leave. Go and live on some Pacific island where the government won't bother you. Build your own infrastructure without the government doing it for you. Take the other anti "entitlements" people with you.
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luvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?
Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 24,847
Loc: Lost In Space
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: Batty Koda]
#16101030 - 04/17/12 10:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Nonsense. The 'entitlement" mentality has been a great drag on society. Taking from those who do, to give to those who don't, has burdened society with an ever expanding pool of "victims" with their hands out.
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Now people like you want to strip people of their economic rights and condemn them to death and poverty because you're so selfish you can't bare to give up a little bit of your paycheck to support them and the country as a whole. The country that provided you with education, roads, relative safety from crime, water, electricity and much more. But you don't want to give anything back.
You keep spewing stupidity and talking as if you know me. Each year I give away more than the average family of four takes in. That doesn't include what I pay in taxes.
Congrats though... you manage to say something dumber with each post. That's a rare ability. Not one to be proud of though.
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“In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients.
Thomas Sowell
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 qman
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: Batty Koda]
#16101139 - 04/17/12 10:47 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Batty Koda said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Batty Koda said:
He is not a friend of the left.
That is one of the best things about him.
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old people will die in the hundreds of thousands.
There are 56 million Americans on Social Security, if Ron Paul gets his way and takes this away from them a very large percentage will become destitute. Will they all get spurred on by Ron Paul kicking them out of their homes and on to the cold street, set up their own businesses and become filthy rich like Romney and Paul? I don't think so, I think this belongs to the economic fantasy land I mentioned earlier. A lot of them will die of cold, suicide or malnutrition. Hundreds of thousands of them.
Your understanding of economics and RP very limited in my opinion. We are in a economic trap, like you said earlier, if we cut spending in countries in Europe and the US, we suffer economically.
What happens if we don't cut spending? The US is now borrowing .50 cents for every $1 it spends, how long can this continue? If history is any measure, not much longer. How much longer can we borrow when GDP to debt is now over 100% in the US?
Entitlements like SS are going to be reduced in the future, today politicians don't have the guts or support to make the changes, but guess what makes the changes for them? A economic crisis in the financial markets, just watch the Euro zone situation, it's happening already.
What was the recent headline out of your country yesterday, devalue the British pound by 25%, so we can compete better, sounds like a fun time.
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luvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?
Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 24,847
Loc: Lost In Space
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: qman]
#16101167 - 04/17/12 10:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You cruel and heartless bastard! Don't you know hundreds of thousands will die??????????
Won't someone PLEASE think of the seniors!
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“In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients.
Thomas Sowell
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LloydChristmas
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16102010 - 04/17/12 03:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
Really? So in addition to saying stupid things, you think you know my political views?
I doubt you do, but here they are:
Opposed to "entitlement" spending.
Atheist.- Yes he is Christian, but doesn't believe in shoving his beliefs down everyone's throats. He follows the passage that states something along the line that a religion is a private matter, and one shouldn't be boastful about it.
I think abortion is OK, except for very late term.-Is pro-life, but believes the issue should be handled by the states, not the fed.
Don't care if gays wed or are in the military.
Don't care where mosques are built.
Ron Paul back Ground Zero Mosque
Don't think all practitioners of Islam are evil.
Why Islamophobes Hate Ron Paul
Think drugs should be all legal.
Think marriage is a dumb idea.-covered that in the gay marriage vid
Think government should mind it's own business.-This is basically one of his taglines. Hates how we meddle in other sovereign countries' governements. Also hates how the U.S. is quickly turning into a nanny/police state.
Despise most politicians. I find them to be self-serving hacks who pass laws based on what will get them re-elected, rather than basing them on what is best for the country.
I vote for who best conforms to my beliefs, rather than what party they belong to.
Base my opinion on what the laws do, rather than by who proposed or voted for them.
Have voted for Dems on a number of occasions.
I'd describe myself as a fiscal conservative, social liberal who just wants his politicians to leave me the fuck alone. Don't regulate my personal behavior until it affects others. Don't regulate others behavior until it affects me. Don't forcibly take what I have earned, to hand out to those who have not.
This is pretty much RP's platform.
Really. Stop saying such stupid things. You'll be better for it.
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LloydChristmas
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: LloydChristmas]
#16102052 - 04/17/12 03:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Oh, also.
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Despise most politicians. I find them to be self-serving hacks who pass laws based on what will get them re-elected, rather than basing them on what is best for the country.
I like this one.
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16102541 - 04/17/12 05:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
Really? So in addition to saying stupid things, you think you know my political views?
I doubt you do, but here they are:
Opposed to "entitlement" spending.
Atheist.
I think abortion is OK, except for very late term.
Don't care if gays wed or are in the military.
Don't care where mosques are built.
Don't think all practitioners of Islam are evil.
Think drugs should be all legal.
Think marriage is a dumb idea.
Think government should mind it's own business.
Despise most politicians. I find them to be self-serving hacks who pass laws based on what will get them re-elected, rather than basing them on what is best for the country.
I vote for who best conforms to my beliefs, rather than what party they belong to.
Base my opinion on what the laws do, rather than by who proposed or voted for them.
Have voted for Dems on a number of occasions.
I'd describe myself as a fiscal conservative, social liberal who just wants his politicians to leave me the fuck alone. Don't regulate my personal behavior until it affects others. Don't regulate others behavior until it affects me. Don't forcibly take what I have earned, to hand out to those who have not.
Really. Stop saying such stupid things. You'll be better for it.
This is scary Phred. I always suspected I had a brother who was sold to pay the mortage when I was very young.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Batty Koda
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Registered: 08/16/09
Posts: 191
Loc: england, yorkshire
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: qman]
#16102584 - 04/17/12 06:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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qman said:
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Batty Koda said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Batty Koda said:
He is not a friend of the left.
That is one of the best things about him.
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old people will die in the hundreds of thousands.
There are 56 million Americans on Social Security, if Ron Paul gets his way and takes this away from them a very large percentage will become destitute. Will they all get spurred on by Ron Paul kicking them out of their homes and on to the cold street, set up their own businesses and become filthy rich like Romney and Paul? I don't think so, I think this belongs to the economic fantasy land I mentioned earlier. A lot of them will die of cold, suicide or malnutrition. Hundreds of thousands of them.
Your understanding of economics and RP very limited in my opinion. We are in a economic trap, like you said earlier, if we cut spending in countries in Europe and the US, we suffer economically.
What happens if we don't cut spending? The US is now borrowing .50 cents for every $1 it spends, how long can this continue? If history is any measure, not much longer. How much longer can we borrow when GDP to debt is now over 100% in the US?
Entitlements like SS are going to be reduced in the future, today politicians don't have the guts or support to make the changes, but guess what makes the changes for them? A economic crisis in the financial markets, just watch the Euro zone situation, it's happening already.
What was the recent headline out of your country yesterday, devalue the British pound by 25%, so we can compete better, sounds like a fun time.
But there are solutions that don't involve throwing people out of their houses and into poverty. Hve a look at this economic recovery plan written by Webster Tarpley.
Five point program to end the depression
The main point in my opinion is to nationalise the Fed and force them to give out 0% interest long term loans to businesses who want to produce a good or service. Nowadays the only people who can get credit are the people who don't need it. There's lots of business opportunities out there but no money available to get the projects moving because banks are more interested in financial speculation then lending.
Ron Paul's plans are indistinguishable from the austerity occuring in Europe. And they will not work they'll only make things worse. The real solution is to start making more stuff, not to impoverish everyone so that they can't afford to buy anything, that's terrible economics. Wealth is not numbers on a computer screen or bars of gold, it's physical products that people need and/or want for their everyday lives like toasters, houses, cars, railways, beds, food, water pipes and things like that. We should find ways to produce more stuff, that is the only answer.
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luvdemshrooms
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: Icelander]
#16102614 - 04/17/12 06:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
Really? So in addition to saying stupid things, you think you know my political views?
I doubt you do, but here they are:
Opposed to "entitlement" spending.
Atheist.
I think abortion is OK, except for very late term.
Don't care if gays wed or are in the military.
Don't care where mosques are built.
Don't think all practitioners of Islam are evil.
Think drugs should be all legal.
Think marriage is a dumb idea.
Think government should mind it's own business.
Despise most politicians. I find them to be self-serving hacks who pass laws based on what will get them re-elected, rather than basing them on what is best for the country.
I vote for who best conforms to my beliefs, rather than what party they belong to.
Base my opinion on what the laws do, rather than by who proposed or voted for them.
Have voted for Dems on a number of occasions.
I'd describe myself as a fiscal conservative, social liberal who just wants his politicians to leave me the fuck alone. Don't regulate my personal behavior until it affects others. Don't regulate others behavior until it affects me. Don't forcibly take what I have earned, to hand out to those who have not.
Really. Stop saying such stupid things. You'll be better for it.
This is scary Phred. I always suspected I had a brother who was sold to pay the mortage when I was very young.
Very touching. Except Phred didn't write that.
Some asshole did.
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“In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients.
Thomas Sowell
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16102681 - 04/17/12 06:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You're my asshole brother. 
Hey can I borrow a C note?
I goofed. 
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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luvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?
Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 24,847
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: Icelander]
#16102706 - 04/17/12 06:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Well, at the very least I am an asshole.
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“In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients.
Thomas Sowell
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LloydChristmas
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16102747 - 04/17/12 06:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Can I at least get some some sort of response to what I said about your quote earlier?
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#16102829 - 04/17/12 07:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
Well, at the very least I am an asshole.
 Hey now. I fill the asshole role around here. I have conceded to you the mini-dick role but I am clearly the asshole. There can only be one.
Batty Koda, soc sec is a Ponzi scheme. The Dems stole the funds and gave it to bums to buy votes.
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Re: Been a while since there was any Ron Paul discussion in here. [Re: Batty Koda]
#16102875 - 04/17/12 07:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Batty Koda said:
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qman said:
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Batty Koda said:[
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Batty Koda said:
He is not a friend of the left.
That is one of the best things about him.
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old people will die in the hundreds of thousands.
There are 56 million Americans on Social Security, if Ron Paul gets his way and takes this away from them a very large percentage will become destitute. Will they all get spurred on by Ron Paul kicking them out of their homes and on to the cold street, set up their own businesses and become filthy rich like Romney and Paul? I don't think so, I think this belongs to the economic fantasy land I mentioned earlier. A lot of them will die of cold, suicide or malnutrition. Hundreds of thousands of them.
Your understanding of economics and RP very limited in my opinion. We are in a economic trap, like you said earlier, if we cut spending in countries in Europe and the US, we suffer economically.
What happens if we don't cut spending? The US is now borrowing .50 cents for every $1 it spends, how long can this continue? If history is any measure, not much longer. How much longer can we borrow when GDP to debt is now over 100% in the US?
Entitlements like SS are going to be reduced in the future, today politicians don't have the guts or support to make the changes, but guess what makes the changes for them? A economic crisis in the financial markets, just watch the Euro zone situation, it's happening already.
What was the recent headline out of your country yesterday, devalue the British pound by 25%, so we can compete better, sounds like a fun time.
But there are solutions that don't involve throwing people out of their houses and into poverty. Hve a look at this economic recovery plan written by Webster Tarpley.
Five point program to end the depression
The main point in my opinion is to nationalise the Fed and force them to give out 0% interest long term loans to businesses who want to produce a good or service. Nowadays the only people who can get credit are the people who don't need it. There's lots of business opportunities out there but no money available to get the projects moving because banks are more interested in financial speculation then lending.
Ron Paul's plans are indistinguishable from the austerity occuring in Europe. And they will not work they'll only make things worse. The real solution is to start making more stuff, not to impoverish everyone so that they can't afford to buy anything, that's terrible economics. Wealth is not numbers on a computer screen or bars of gold, it's physical products that people need and/or want for their everyday lives like toasters, houses, cars, railways, beds, food, water pipes and things like that. We should find ways to produce more stuff, that is the only answer.
Point #1 is very good, point # 3 is also OK, but what the articale failed to mention, we have international competition now, which work for low wages.
If anything, we have overcapicity in production, and low demand due to weaker real incomes in developed nations. How can the US or UK compete with China and India, those jobs are never coming back, that's the problem.
We are competing for jobs, and now natural recources such as oil and food with these nations, there is nothing that will change that anything soon.
People landing in the streets due to economic depression is not a choice, it is the result of living economic lies, the citizens in Greece and Spain are now paying the price for the country living beyound their means.
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