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Nefertem said:
Why are you even posting this?  It sounds completely ridiculous and unnecessary.  The Pub is suppose to be a place to relax.  It sounds like you belong in the "Girl Drama, Drunken Fights and Flings' forum.

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luvdemshrooms said:
Why should one have to run from someone intent on doing them harm?

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luvdemshrooms said:
Why should one have to run from someone intent on doing them harm?

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Why should one have to run from someone intent on doing them harm?

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Well you always have a choice.

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No you dont, not legally.  Depends on what the states laws are.  Many states do not legally give you the option to fight back (not that it matters much).

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luvdemshrooms said:
Why should one have to run from someone intent on doing them harm?

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It's better than a law that says you have to run away and hide while hoping you can call 911.
Fuck living in a state that makes you flee your own house.

Personally I am all for protecting my property and myself.

Sure with the stand your ground laws there is bound to be some sketchy situations. But lets not let a few spoil the rest.

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It's better than a law that says you have to run away and hide while hoping you can call 911.
Fuck living in a state that makes you flee your own house.

Personally I am all for protecting my property and myself.

Sure with the stand your ground laws there is bound to be some sketchy situations. But lets not let a few spoil the rest.

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DeadHearts said:
I surly am not going to go follow around a potentially suspicious suspect which brings us
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Well that's good, and how many people actually do that. Well maybe one person recently in the news did it.
But I would rather have that law on the books than not.

Sounds like you are just starting more threads relating to the other 2 or 3 in the pub.
I already hid those ones and I will do the same here.

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stayhigh89 said:
Whats crazy is you're most likely not a black gangsta that needs to get shot. There's a thread for that nigger. Keep all your trayvon (sp) shit their.

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I surly am not going to go follow around a potentially suspicious suspect which brings us
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Well that's good, and how many people actually do that. Well maybe one person recently in the news did it.
But I would rather have that law on the books than not.

Sounds like you are just starting more threads relating to the other 2 or 3 in the pub.
I already hid those ones and I will do the same here.

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OP is probably the same kind of person who bitches about the Government making a drug illegal because it killed someone. Yet you want to use Trayvon as an example for this law and make everyone else pay the price for it. If someone comes in my house I am going to kill them. I would probably have no remorse about holding them down and sawing their head off with a knife while they scream for mercy. Your home is supposed to your safe and private place where you can be comfortable. It's an ultimate betrayal if an intruder breaks into it.

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Who says you have to run?

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stayhigh89 said:
Whats crazy is you're most likely not a black gangsta that needs to get shot. There's a thread for that nigger. Keep all your trayvon (sp) shit their.

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United States
A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The difference between immunity and a defense is that an immunity bars suit, charges, detention and arrest. A defense permits a plaintiff or the state to seek civil damages or a criminal conviction. More than half of the states in the United States have adopted the Castle doctrine, stating that a person has no duty to retreat when their home is attacked. Some states go a step further, removing the duty of retreat from any location. "Stand Your Ground", "Line In The Sand" or "No Duty To Retreat" laws thus state that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be, or to give up ground to an assailant. Under such laws, there is no duty to retreat from anywhere the defender may legally be.[1] Other restrictions may still exist; when in public, a person must be carrying the firearm in a legal manner, whether concealed or openly.
"Stand your ground" governs U.S. federal case law in which self-defense is asserted against a charge of criminal homicide. The Supreme Court ruled in Beard v. U.S. (158 U.S. 550 (1895)) that a man who was "on his premises" when he came under attack and "...did not provoke the assault, and had at the time reasonable grounds to believe, and in good faith believed, that the deceased intended to take his life, or do him great bodily harm...was not obliged to retreat, nor to consider whether he could safely retreat, but was entitled to stand his ground."[2][3]
In a Minnesota case, State v. Gardner (1905), where a man was acquitted for killing another man who attempted to kill him with a rifle, Judge Jaggard stated:
The doctrine of "retreat to the wall" had its origin [in Medieval England] before the general introduction of guns. Justice demands that its application have due regard to the general use of and to the type of firearms. It would be good sense for the law to require, in many cases, an attempt to escape from a hand to hand encounter with fists, clubs and even knives as a justification for killing in self-defense; while it would be rank folly to require [an attempt to escape] when experienced persons, armed with repeating rifles, face each other in an open space, removed from shelter, with intent to kill or cause great bodily harm[4]
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. declared in Brown v. United States (256 U.S. 335, 343 (16 May 1921) a case that upheld the "no duty to retreat" maxim that "detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife".[5]

Many states have some form of Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground law. {{Alabama,[6] Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa[7], Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,[8] South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah,[9] West Virginia and Wyoming have adopted Castle Doctrine statutes, and other states (Iowa[10], Montana,[11] Nebraska,[12] New Hampshire, Virginia,[13] and Washington) are currently considering "Stand Your Ground" laws of their own.[14][15][16]
Some of the states that have passed or are considering "stand your ground" laws already implement "stand your ground" principles in their case law. Indiana and Georgia, among other states, already had "stand your ground" case law and passed "stand your ground" statutes due to possible concerns of the case law being replaced by "duty to retreat" in later court rulings. Other states, including Washington, have "stand your ground" in their case law but have not adopted statutes; West Virginia had a long tradition of "stand your ground" in its case law[17] before codifying it as a statute in 2008. These states did not have civil immunity for self defense in their previous self defense statutes.


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2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[18]
776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

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stayhigh89 said:
Whats crazy is you're most likely not a black gangsta that needs to get shot. There's a thread for that nigger. Keep all your trayvon (sp) shit their.

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DeadHearts said:
Its crazy to step back and think about living in a place with a stand your ground law.

If I see a suspicious person walking down my street I can follow this person with no
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If I decide to attack this person I can shoot him dead and
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Why shouldn't you be allowed to follow someone?

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No.  If you did that you would be arrested.

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DeadHearts said:
Its crazy to step back and think about living in a place with a stand your ground law.

If I see a suspicious person walking down my street I can follow this person with no
proof he did anything wrong. If I decide to attack this person I can shoot him dead and
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Whats crazy is you're most likely not a black gangsta that needs to get shot. There's a thread for that nigger. Keep all your trayvon (sp) shit their.

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Its crazy to step back and think about living in a place with a stand your ground law.

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The Fuck are you talking about.
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Nefertem said:
Why are you even posting this?  It sounds completely ridiculous and unnecessary.  The Pub is suppose to be a place to relax.  It sounds like you belong in the "Girl Drama, Drunken Fights and Flings' forum.

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What in the good Christ are you talking about?  One cannot talk about current events in
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Why are you even posting this?  It sounds completely ridiculous and unnecessary.  The Pub is suppose to be a place to relax.  It sounds like you belong in the "Girl Drama, Drunken Fights and Flings' forum.

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What in the good Christ are you talking about?  One cannot talk about current events in
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Please don't talk about current events when there's multiple threads concerning the same event.

And yes, current events usually, especially concerning a controversial comment seems like drama to me, when you're saying it in a sarcastic tone.

Btw, this shit isn't needed. Go to the trayvon Martin thread, not open up a new one.

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trip forever said:
If it isn't related to the trayvon Martin case then your original post is false.

Sure, go ahead, try that and see where it gets you. I have a strange feeling you only posted that in relation to trayvon Martin

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trip forever said:
Please don't talk about current events when there's multiple threads concerning the same event.

And yes, current events usually, especially concerning a controversial comment seems like drama to me, when you're saying it in a sarcastic tone.

Btw, this shit isn't needed. Go to the trayvon Martin thread, not open up a new one.

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DeadHearts said:
Its crazy to step back and think about living in a place with a stand your ground law.

If I see a suspicious person walking down my street I can follow this person with no
proof he did anything wrong. If I decide to attack this person I can shoot him dead and
claim self defense as long as no one actually seen the scuffle.


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