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Quote: DNKYD said: You still have to prove your claim of self defense in a court of law.
No. The state has to prove otherwise. Innocent until proven guilty.
-------------------- “In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients. Thomas Sowell
Quote: As commie said apparently there ARE laws that say you cannot fight back which is ludicrous in itself but more often then not you have the choice.
Not legally in every state.
Quote: I surly am not going to go follow around a potentially suspicious suspect which brings us back to the OP.
Most would not.
-------------------- “In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients. Thomas Sowell
Quote: stayhigh89 said: Whats crazy is you're most likely not a black gangsta that needs to get shot. There's a thread for that nigger. Keep all your trayvon (sp) shit their.
You should get a ban for you racist fucking remarks.
Has the world gone mad? I agree with you.
-------------------- “In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients. Thomas Sowell
It doesn't say "you can chase down minorities and shoot them because you're white"
don't twist this into a gun control issue
Quote: United States A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first. In some cases, a person may use deadly force in public areas without a duty to retreat. Under these legal concepts, a person is justified in using deadly force in certain situations and the "stand your ground" law would be a defense or immunity to criminal charges and civil suit. The difference between immunity and a defense is that an immunity bars suit, charges, detention and arrest. A defense permits a plaintiff or the state to seek civil damages or a criminal conviction. More than half of the states in the United States have adopted the Castle doctrine, stating that a person has no duty to retreat when their home is attacked. Some states go a step further, removing the duty of retreat from any location. "Stand Your Ground", "Line In The Sand" or "No Duty To Retreat" laws thus state that a person has no duty or other requirement to abandon a place in which he has a right to be, or to give up ground to an assailant. Under such laws, there is no duty to retreat from anywhere the defender may legally be.[1] Other restrictions may still exist; when in public, a person must be carrying the firearm in a legal manner, whether concealed or openly. "Stand your ground" governs U.S. federal case law in which self-defense is asserted against a charge of criminal homicide. The Supreme Court ruled in Beard v. U.S. (158 U.S. 550 (1895)) that a man who was "on his premises" when he came under attack and "...did not provoke the assault, and had at the time reasonable grounds to believe, and in good faith believed, that the deceased intended to take his life, or do him great bodily harm...was not obliged to retreat, nor to consider whether he could safely retreat, but was entitled to stand his ground."[2][3] In a Minnesota case, State v. Gardner (1905), where a man was acquitted for killing another man who attempted to kill him with a rifle, Judge Jaggard stated: The doctrine of "retreat to the wall" had its origin [in Medieval England] before the general introduction of guns. Justice demands that its application have due regard to the general use of and to the type of firearms. It would be good sense for the law to require, in many cases, an attempt to escape from a hand to hand encounter with fists, clubs and even knives as a justification for killing in self-defense; while it would be rank folly to require [an attempt to escape] when experienced persons, armed with repeating rifles, face each other in an open space, removed from shelter, with intent to kill or cause great bodily harm[4] Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. declared in Brown v. United States (256 U.S. 335, 343 (16 May 1921) a case that upheld the "no duty to retreat" maxim that "detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife".[5]
Many states have some form of Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground law. {{Alabama,[6] Alaska, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa[7], Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,[8] South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah,[9] West Virginia and Wyoming have adopted Castle Doctrine statutes, and other states (Iowa[10], Montana,[11] Nebraska,[12] New Hampshire, Virginia,[13] and Washington) are currently considering "Stand Your Ground" laws of their own.[14][15][16] Some of the states that have passed or are considering "stand your ground" laws already implement "stand your ground" principles in their case law. Indiana and Georgia, among other states, already had "stand your ground" case law and passed "stand your ground" statutes due to possible concerns of the case law being replaced by "duty to retreat" in later court rulings. Other states, including Washington, have "stand your ground" in their case law but have not adopted statutes; West Virginia had a long tradition of "stand your ground" in its case law[17] before codifying it as a statute in 2008. These states did not have civil immunity for self defense in their previous self defense statutes.
[edit]Florida 2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[18] 776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: (1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or (2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
this isn't a gun control issue, and I am personally not trying to pretend like i know what actually went on that night, but a neighborhood watch with a C&C who possibly used bad jjudgement doesn't mean we have to throw out a perfectly good law which falls in line with the constituion
Quote: stayhigh89 said: Whats crazy is you're most likely not a black gangsta that needs to get shot. There's a thread for that nigger. Keep all your trayvon (sp) shit their.
You should get a ban for you racist fucking remarks.
Has the world gone mad? I agree with you.
fuck, so do i.
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Quote: DeadHearts said: Its crazy to step back and think about living in a place with a stand your ground law.
If I see a suspicious person walking down my street I can follow this person with no proof he did anything wrong. If I decide to attack this person I can shoot him dead and claim self defense as long as no one actually seen the scuffle.
Good stuff.
The Fuck are you talking about.
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Quote: stayhigh89 said: Whats crazy is you're most likely not a black gangsta that needs to get shot. There's a thread for that nigger. Keep all your trayvon (sp) shit their.
You should get a ban for you racist fucking remarks.
Has the world gone mad? I agree with you.
fuck, so do i.
It's never too late.
-------------------- “In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients. Thomas Sowell
-------------------- “In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients. Thomas Sowell
Quote: DeadHearts said: Its crazy to step back and think about living in a place with a stand your ground law.
If I see a suspicious person walking down my street I can follow this person with no proof he did anything wrong. If I decide to attack this person I can shoot him dead and claim self defense as long as no one actually seen the scuffle.
Good stuff.
The Fuck are you talking about. Your one dumb nigger.
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-------------------- “In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients. Thomas Sowell
Quote: Nefertem said: Why are you even posting this? It sounds completely ridiculous and unnecessary. The Pub is suppose to be a place to relax. It sounds like you belong in the "Girl Drama, Drunken Fights and Flings' forum.
What in the good Christ are you talking about? One cannot talk about current events in a pub atmosphere?
Get real bruuuuu.
Please don't talk about current events when there's multiple threads concerning the same event.
And yes, current events usually, especially concerning a controversial comment seems like drama to me, when you're saying it in a sarcastic tone.
Btw, this shit isn't needed. Go to the trayvon Martin thread, not open up a new one.
Quote: Nefertem said: Why are you even posting this? It sounds completely ridiculous and unnecessary. The Pub is suppose to be a place to relax. It sounds like you belong in the "Girl Drama, Drunken Fights and Flings' forum.
What in the good Christ are you talking about? One cannot talk about current events in a pub atmosphere?
Get real bruuuuu.
Please don't talk about current events when there's multiple threads concerning the same event.
And yes, current events usually, especially concerning a controversial comment seems like drama to me, when you're saying it in a sarcastic tone.
Btw, this shit isn't needed. Go to the trayvon Martin thread, not open up a new one.
This thread is about the stand your ground law. Sure Martin is deff related but many didnt know this law was in effect like myself. Discussion about this law should be separate. from the Martin thread.
As in every thread, if you do not like the subject matter dont post dont read.
yeah, today has been pretty productive so that is probably why. i've been out doing a lot of things lately, things that will be extremely beneficial for me i think.
so maybe some day soon it will be often instead of sometimes.
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Quote: trip forever said: Please don't talk about current events when there's multiple threads concerning the same event.
And yes, current events usually, especially concerning a controversial comment seems like drama to me, when you're saying it in a sarcastic tone.
Btw, this shit isn't needed. Go to the trayvon Martin thread, not open up a new one.
It's a different topic, one not strictly related to the Martin/Zimmerman case.
Feel free to hide the thread should you wish.
-------------------- “In politics, few talents are as richly rewarded as the ability to convince parasites that they are victims. Welfare states on both sides of the Atlantic have discovered that largesse to losers does not reduce their hostility to society, but only increases it. Far from producing gratitude, generosity is seen as an admission of guilt, and the reparations as inadequate compensation for injustices – leading to worsening behavior by the recipients. Thomas Sowell
Quote: DeadHearts said: Its crazy to step back and think about living in a place with a stand your ground law.
If I see a suspicious person walking down my street I can follow this person with no proof he did anything wrong. If I decide to attack this person I can shoot him dead and claim self defense as long as no one actually seen the scuffle.
Good stuff.
Do you actually believe that? The whole concept of "stand your ground" or the castle doctrine is that if you reasonably and sincerely believe your life is in immediate and extreme danger, you can use lethal force to stop the threat. That's all it is, plain and simple. But you have to believe that if you didn't take action, you would most likely be dead.
I live in a state with pretty lenient gun laws, but I'm still required to make any attempt possible to retreat from the threat on my life before using deadly force. As an example, the only time I EVER pulled my gun out with the intention to use it was a few years ago when I was walking down an alley from one friends house to another a few blocks away in the city. A skeevy ass motherfucker came up to me, asked me for a cigarette and I said I didn't have any. He then said, give me your wallet and cell phone and picked up a very large piece of concrete that was laying in the alley.
I ran. Ran behind the apartments for about a block and realized he was chasing me. That was reasonable retreat. After that I poked my head out from the side of the building and he saw me, concrete in hand. He said once more, "give me your shit or I'm going to bash your fucking head in".
I drew down on the guy, pointed my gun at the ground next to his feet and said "you have 3 choices. Either you run the fuck away, lay down on the ground with your hands on your head until the police get here, or I will shoot you if you make another move at me".
He ran like a bat out of hell. I called the cops a while later and an officer arrived within 2 minutes. I told him what happened and he said that I did exactly what I was supposed to do. I tried to get the fuck away from the guy, he followed me and I pulled my gun with the intention of killing him if he came at me. I gave them a description and they caught the guy like 30 minutes later. The cop actually commented that I was within every legal right to kill the guy based on his and my actions in the situation. Fortunately it didn't come to that.
Now I am not hell bent on taking a life. But when it comes down to it and it's either the guy threatening or me, I'll shoot to kill. And I won't think twice about it. But by law I have to make any possible attempt to flee and get out of the situation before I'm allowed to use force.
Stand your ground is a bit different, but you still have to have a reasonable expectation that your life or someone elses is in immediate danger before using deadly force.
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