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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: MacMerdin]
#16569308 - 07/22/12 06:30 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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Macmerdin, oy veh! Single data points??
I could find even bigger differences in humidity from my front yard, to my back yard. And that's just open air. Even a single bed of mulch has many microclimates... Slight differences in elevation, underlying soil, ground cover and forest canopy are going to be more important than the relative humidity at the airport.
I don't think even the experts gve a satisfactory answer as to why these seasonal fruiting mushrooms do what they do. Temperature, humdity and substrate are just not suitable answers by themselves. I think these guys get a lot of environmental cues from other sources, like plant growth stages, light/dark cycles, etc.
ovoid myc grows very aggressively at temps that everyone assumes is toxic - air temps near 100 and additional heating from sunlight.. As long as there is moisture (but not too much... One thing I've noticed consistently is that very wet, water logged mulch conditions pretty much halts myc growth).
Edited by koods (07/22/12 09:49 PM)
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: koods]
#16570434 - 07/22/12 09:28 PM (9 months, 28 days ago) |
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We've had three days of constant rain and mist and today I went out to some spots... Didn't see any mush, but noticed a lot of little white puff balls of myc on much of the wood that had produced this spring... Then I noticed that there were the same puffs on some the mulch I had sprayed with spores at the end of may. These areas I had become to believe the spores didn't take , but now I'm thinking that maybe it took this long to get to the stage. Can it take more than a month before spores produce easily visible manifestations of growth? I should add that before Thursday, we had gone 13 days with no rain and five of those days had temps over 100.
Also, i am pretty certain this stuff isn't some sort of mold... This stuff is more rounded and fluffy with little tiny fibers like down feathers.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: koods]
#16572484 - 07/23/12 05:57 AM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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koods said: One thing I've noticed consistently is that very wet, water logged mulch conditions pretty much halts myc growth).
Maybe that is what I'm noticing. Most of the mulch beds near me are irrigated daily.
Also, you mentioned light cycles.....I too have had this thought.
BTW....I am only going off my own observations so far (in April and May I saw about every mushroom that grows that time of year in the mulch beds here but no ovoids?). I could be totally off the mark. But your comment about water logged mulch really made sense of why I might not be seeing them in mulch beds near me.
Also, I didn't mean it can not be done.
Just that I doubt we can do what Sporulator did (or people in the PNW do) and just spread myc around and in the following years go back and pick mushrooms. I think we have to help them along in our climate. Or make our beds near streams if we want mother nature to do the job.
I'm always open to the idea of a southern mulch bed made by mother nature (spores landing on mulch themselves and germinating)that fruits by mother nature, but I have yet to see anyone post it. And I don't think there is a thread/post/information on the webs that I haven't read regarding ovoids or caerulipes (again, I can be totally wrong though).
I'm still sticking with having a much better success rate building your patches near streams rather than your back yard though.
Edited by MacMerdin (07/23/12 07:02 AM)
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: koods]
#16573358 - 07/23/12 12:51 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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koods said: Didn't see any mush, but noticed a lot of little white puff balls of myc on much of the wood that had produced this spring
I also went out today and noticed the same thing.
Do these look familiar?
 
Due to our discussion, I went out and made a patch with some Scott's Mulch where I found some ovoids in May (well...beside the spot...I didn't want to disturb the good myc).
Here is the area undisturbed:

I dug a ditch and filled it with partly colonized Scott's mulch:
 
Then I layered some sand on top of it:

We'll see if mine fruit before yours. 
On a side note: I have some in containers that I started with Scott's mulch and then filled with sand about a month ago. Both looking good so far I think:
 
I also started a multi spore inoculation into PF jars. 6 of 12 didn't contaminate. I took 2 of the jars last monday and layered them in with Aspen Snake Bedding topped off with wet cardboard to keep it from drying out too fast. My pride and joy so far (only one week later):
  
And lastly some fruits I saw today.
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Yes....I'm bored today at work.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: MacMerdin]
#16573943 - 07/23/12 03:10 PM (9 months, 27 days ago) |
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Yep, that's what I'm talking about.
They finally opened the park after closing it for derecho cleanup and there are three mulch piles that are about 25 feet tall. In addition, thy have spread fresh mulch over everything.
Isn't it amazing how fast that myc grows when conditions are right?
Edited by koods (07/23/12 03:16 PM)
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: koods]
#16583340 - 07/25/12 12:40 AM (9 months, 26 days ago) |
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I don't think anyone has the explanation on how/why ovoids appear in mulch beds except when they're planted. The coincidence of temperature and adequate moisture are essential regardless of the location. Optimal habitat/substrate that's too warm or too cold and possibly too wet won't fruit even if spores or myc is present. The question is how do the spores or myc get to mulch beds that are not even cLose to being streamside. I'm leaning towards Koods' on this - natural dispersal and deposition is a significant factor and maybe the predominant one. Others have proposed that some of the wood that somewhere along the path of making chips "naturally" inoculated wood entered the mix. This is logical and might account for some spots but I'm not certain much streamside debris from natural habitat ends up in wood chip piles and landscape mulch., especially landscape mulch.
In general, I'm wondering if there's any documentation on the distance spores have traveled and re-established a viable mycelial mass. Happy hunting and spreading the love. Pls keep us posted on those experiments either here or elsewhere.
Peace out and thanks to all that have left a bread trail so to speak. G FWIW: a quick hot + sour soup seems to be a decent way to eat those interesting but somewhat nasty-tasting non-ovoids like these
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: gman]
#16584986 - 07/25/12 11:18 AM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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There were at least two reports in previous threads of ovoids found in east coast mulch beds. One was near a stream, and one or two others were not.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: Hygrocybe]
#16585687 - 07/25/12 01:39 PM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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It's becoming very apparent to me that he optimal temperature for mycelial growth is much higher than the optimal temp for fruiting.
Just stuck a digital probe into the area of fastest my growth and it registered 38c or 100.4f... And today is the coolest day we've had in a week... I think the myc loves temps pushing 110F.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: koods]
#16586211 - 07/25/12 03:03 PM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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I've heard Alan mention before that ovoid myc loves high temps.
BTW...thanks all for the stories of east coast mulch bed fruits. I guess it is time to rethink my theory.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: MacMerdin]
#16586567 - 07/25/12 04:15 PM (9 months, 25 days ago) |
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These were all found in western pa over the last few seasons,in landscaped wood mulch areas.You can see some of them get massive.
These were found about 100 ft from the river bank in a campground area,






Found in mulch bed no where near a river or creek,



 Definitely check through landscaped areas in the fall,chances are you'll find them there before you find them in their natural habitat.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: avidpicker]
#16595348 - 07/26/12 09:51 PM (9 months, 24 days ago) |
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avidpicker said: Definitely check through landscaped areas in the fall,chances are you'll find them there before you find them in their natural habitat.
Thanks for the good advice.
I wonder what causes that to happen?
If anyone hasn't figured out yet, I am trying to figure these guys out. And you've all been very helpful.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: MacMerdin]
#16604432 - 07/28/12 08:47 AM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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MacMerdin said: Good to know.
I wonder what kind of maintenance is required to get them to fruit in east coast mulch beds?
Could I spawn to a mulch bed that I know has daily irrigation with minimal effort on my part as far as watering it?
I'm still thinking that clandestine patches in their natural habit would work better though.
you clearly never listened i have only found them in mulch beds , the best way to find them on the east coast is find wine caps, then just constantly watch the beds around the wine caps as well and you will most likely find them, i followed one for a month then one day theres some down the street in another bed with wine caps where i hadnt seen wine caps the hole season
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: tweekingTwak]
#16604640 - 07/28/12 09:52 AM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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MacMerdin said: Good to know.
I wonder what kind of maintenance is required to get them to fruit in east coast mulch beds?
Could I spawn to a mulch bed that I know has daily irrigation with minimal effort on my part as far as watering it?
I'm still thinking that clandestine patches in their natural habit would work better though.
you clearly never listened i have only found them in mulch beds , the best way to find them on the east coast is find wine caps, then just constantly watch the beds around the wine caps as well and you will most likely find them, i followed one for a month then one day theres some down the street in another bed with wine caps where i hadnt seen wine caps the hole season
Sage advice. The first time I found them was just outside a huge bed of wine caps. I was looking for some more when I stumbled over the ovoids.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: akumushi]
#16604662 - 07/28/12 10:00 AM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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yeah they love the same stuff. i think they two are dating and having some crazy interspeices erotica putting all those spores all over each other and living in the same house
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: tweekingTwak]
#16604681 - 07/28/12 10:12 AM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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Nice pics avidpicker! Man you ovoid hunters sure are something, all I have to do to find actives here in Florida is walk into a pasture. I wish ovoids grew down here.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: tweekingTwak]
#16604754 - 07/28/12 10:35 AM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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That's good news. In May I dumped a woodlover smoothie in a huge mulch bed that had some winecaps in it. I saw winecaps growing near ovoids so I figured this mulch bed would have some of the right conditions. Glad to know my deduction was a sound one.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: MacMerdin]
#16604969 - 07/28/12 11:33 AM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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 tho in my other case the bed that had ovoids didnt have wine caps but the adjacent beds did
those two pictures are different location the one has albino wine caps and the weird looking ovoids and the other has the normal wine caps and average looking ovoids but ...
FYI albino wine caps taste alot better and have a unique smell and taste compared to their red counter parts
OH another observation was the NJ ones had purple brown prints while the NY were always strictly brown which is a good sign they are different strains
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: tweekingTwak]
#16605355 - 07/28/12 12:58 PM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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I do remember seeing wine caps but not exactly close or in the woodchip habitat but also I could most likely document about a hundred different types of fungi that do grow in the chip bed . No stream just a mulchbed at the bottom of a hill with tall furs
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: divo]
#16608500 - 07/29/12 01:02 AM (9 months, 22 days ago) |
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I always found plenty of wine caps growing wild in the same spots as the ovoids... So it's not just mulched areas, but along the creek in the sand and woody debris. They definitely share the exact same habitats and fruiting times.
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Re: ** OFFICIAL OVOID SEASON 2012 THREAD ** [Re: koods]
#16609358 - 07/29/12 08:24 AM (9 months, 21 days ago) |
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Went for a walk around the old spots and noticed a recent flood had deposited a lot of debris at its high-water mark, creating an easily visible continuous contour through grasses and trees:
 
What surprised me is how far back, in a few places, the flooding dropped debris. And, as I followed the debris path I realized that it was a perfect road map to all the best areas from last season. Even the areas deep in the woods that I thought of as disconnected from the finds close to the creek turn out to be at the same level.
This seems to be strong supporting evidence that ovoids spread the species almost exclusively by distribution of mycelium and not by spores. In fact, I have not found any ovoid spot that could only be explained by deposition of spores. Some people have noted that they have found mulch ovoids in areas where mycelium couldn't get to naturally and therefore they must have come from spores. But, where did that mulch come from? If it is in a public area, it most likely comes from wood collected from parks, from ulitity work, etc. At least in this area, they always try to clear fallen trees in parks and along paths. Some of these trees fall in ovoid rich areas. That wood ends up in mulch piles like this:

Where do commercial suppliers get their wood for mulching? The same places. (you don't think they have special trees just for their special mulch?) everything can be explained by spreading the mycelium.
Imagine one of those big trucks with a wood chipper on the back spending a day chopping up storm debris, and then one log that as been colonized thoroughly by ovoids goes through the chipper. Bamm... You've instantly got a truckload full of wood chips being sprayed with mycelium. It's not that different than some of the methods I've seen here involving blenders.
Edited by koods (07/29/12 08:31 AM)
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