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. When you think about that, psilocybin and psilocin are natural but they're still poisons that nature is using.
 Not true. They're chemicals that are very closely related to our own neurotransmitters, not poisons.
Right... interpretation does not equal fact.
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Your statement that psilocybin and psilocin are natures poisons is correct in my opinion. Not to say that they are toxic or damaging to humans, but their evolutionary purpose is likely to cast away animals that would otherwise eat them. Good post, most people don't understand that a molecule is a molecule and how "natural" it is is largely irrelevant as far as drugs go.
Exactly how I was framing it in my mind.
We still gotta be carefull with the new RCs though cause there's not a lot of papers about the most recents one. Stay safe, experiment with low doses first (Shulgin style) to see how your body react. Stay safe and have fun guys.
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 Re: 25C-NBOMe WOW!!!  [Re: blankk]
#15890675 - 03/02/12 04:30 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Right... interpretation does not equal fact.
Because there closely related to your neurotransmitters
doesn't mean nature created them for you to get high loll.
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i'm wondering why the governments of the western world aren't rushing to control and criminalize DOx/2C/nBome compounds as they did so steadfastly in the early years after the development of LSD...hmm...
i mean they really didn't want that shit in anyone else's hands...
RCs on the other hand, not so much.
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Because there closely related to your neurotransmitters
doesn't mean nature created them for you to get high loll.
That's not what I meant. "Poison" is your interpretation of a chemical and nothing more.
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Re: 25C-NBOMe WOW!!! [Re: blankk]
#15890736 - 03/02/12 04:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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exception: 2c-B
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I was referring to psilocybin
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. When you think about that, psilocybin and psilocin are natural but they're still poisons that nature is using.
Not true. They're chemicals that are very closely related to our own neurotransmitters, not poisons.
LOL  you guys gotta get your facts straight. For example 5,7-dihydroxytryptamine is remarkably similar to serotonin yet its a selective toxin specifically targeting serotonergic neurons (used in neuroscience research).
Psilocybin is just an oxidation resistant phosphate ester of something meant to induce toxicity in little bugs and their larvae that munch on the growing mushrooms. Its why we pick the mushrooms right after their veil breaks open. Since the spores are released no more need to defend itself against pests and thats the best time to pick shrooms (otherwise it gets diluted).
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Some people prefer actually 25i over acid
probably because they either A) never had a full fledged LSD experience or B) have never any ingested real LSD because the scene is flooded with RCs, that less sensitive heads gobble up like candy and swear that its that "L-25 brah!!!"
There are more educated people than you and me and some of those people know their science really well. We can sit all day and night long talking about karma, bad and good vibes, voodoo bullshit and whatever but in the end it all boils down to receptor affinity profile. It just happens that LSD has a very unique receptor profile and the subjective experience is a function of this profile. Tregar looked into that and modulated the receptor affinity using some kickass combo of 25i+mescaline and said it was better than acid by far.
I'm all for acid too but we have to constantly expand our horizon. There is a lot more to be discovered, probably waaay better than LSD. And for once I like the idea of 25x-NBOMes since they're specific 5HT-2A agonists and as such should not induce proliferation of the tricuspid valve cardiomyocytes. That happened with some weird metatrifluoromethoxy amphetamine thang with affinity for 5HT2B and caused people to have hear attacks and stuff so it was pulled out of circulation.
TL;DR get over yourselves, you don't know everything about the best drugs that exist.
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Re: 25C-NBOMe WOW!!! [Re: blankk]
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nah, i was referring to my own post. 2c-B is one RC that has actually been banned.
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i'm wondering why the governments of the western world aren't rushing to control and criminalize DOx/2C/nBome compounds as they did so steadfastly in the early years after the development of LSD...hmm...
i mean they really didn't want that shit in anyone else's hands...
RCs on the other hand, not so much.
LSD was legal and used recreationally for over 20 years.
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i'm wondering why the governments of the western world aren't rushing to control and criminalize DOx/2C/nBome compounds as they did so steadfastly in the early years after the development of LSD...hmm...
i mean they really didn't want that shit in anyone else's hands...
RCs on the other hand, not so much.
LSD was legal and used recreationally for over 20 years.
Yeah its idiots like Leary and Kesey that ruined it for everyone.
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it was not used recreationally on a large scale before it was made illegal, it was known only to the chemistry world and in a select few circles until the early 1960s.
before that the western powers had the scoop on it and since it wasn't in the hands of the masses, they had no reason to take such action. they knew very well of its enormous potential which is why (U.S. in particular) ordered a shit ton of it.
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. When you think about that, psilocybin and psilocin are natural but they're still poisons that nature is using.
Not true. They're chemicals that are very closely related to our own neurotransmitters, not poisons.
LOL you guys gotta get your facts straight. For example 5,7-dihydroxytryptamine is remarkably similar to serotonin yet its a selective toxin specifically targeting serotonergic neurons (used in neuroscience research).
Psilocybin is just an oxidation resistant phosphate ester of something meant to induce toxicity in little bugs and their larvae that munch on the growing mushrooms. Its why we pick the mushrooms right after their veil breaks open. Since the spores are released no more need to defend itself against pests and thats the best time to pick shrooms (otherwise it gets diluted).
Yeah but we're not bugs, so the label poison doesn't apply to us.
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nBome componds aren't going to achieve that level of popularity amongst the general population, mostly because they simply aren't as good.
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Re: 25C-NBOMe WOW!!! [Re: blankk]
#15890848 - 03/02/12 05:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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absinthoman said:
. When you think about that, psilocybin and psilocin are natural but they're still poisons that nature is using.
Not true. They're chemicals that are very closely related to our own neurotransmitters, not poisons.
LOL you guys gotta get your facts straight. For example 5,7-dihydroxytryptamine is remarkably similar to serotonin yet its a selective toxin specifically targeting serotonergic neurons (used in neuroscience research).
Psilocybin is just an oxidation resistant phosphate ester of something meant to induce toxicity in little bugs and their larvae that munch on the growing mushrooms. Its why we pick the mushrooms right after their veil breaks open. Since the spores are released no more need to defend itself against pests and thats the best time to pick shrooms (otherwise it gets diluted).
Yeah but we're not bugs, so the label poison doesn't apply to us.
poi·son
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a substance with an inherent property that tends to destroy life or impair health.
But its original intention was to work as a poison against bugs. Its not particularly toxic but still can do some damage although statistically its not very likely to occur in people.
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I suggest we keep the subject on 25C here. It ain't a LSD 101 class.
Do you guys use the freebase or HCl salt when using 25X non complexed sublingually?
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nBome componds aren't going to achieve that level of popularity amongst the general population
i dare anyone to refute this. 
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Then when referring to it as a poison, it should be referred to as a poison to bugs, not a poison in general. Last thing we want is the general public being mislead (yet again and again) 
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nBome componds aren't going to achieve that level of popularity amongst the general population
i dare anyone to refute this.
They're cheaper, easier to make and will flood the acid market. So the general population will get exposed to them.
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poor bastards will think they're taking real acid but wont know any better, welcome to the scourge of the last 2 years in the psyche scene.
why the need for all these newb ass custy's to go around passing off their shit as L ?????
exactly.
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