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#15848403 - 02/22/12 06:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Hola Pub.
Now we all know our government is a corrupt tyranny. To bring change in this country wont be through your presidents, wont be through voting, and it wont be through using a broke system.
I feel like this decade is mirroring the 60's in many ways.
I wont summarize how I see that, either you've been influenced enough by the counter culture at that time to see the resemblances, or you lived through it and can remember first hand.
In the 60's. First came the peaceful protest, which failed, spawning groups like The Weather Underground and other radicals deemed "violent revolutionaries"
Now, I wont say how I feel and whether these are right ways of change or not. But slowly more and more people will adopt the idea after peacefully being maced, shot, kicked, punched, battened by batons, and treated like an enemy by LEO (The ones who are to uphold the peace, now disturb it further) that maybe its a better idea to show up with a rifle instead of a peace sign.
and it will be spreading to Oakland or other parts of CA before too long I would assume.
"Occupy Oakland tactics forcing gun owners to take charge
San Francisco Chronicle
February 22, 2012 12:00 AM
Occupy Oakland activists have filed a lawsuit against the city and are seeking damages.
The American Civil Liberties Union-backed suit argues that protesters are engaged in "peaceful expressive activity" and that Oakland police have used "excessive force" that has inflicted "mental stress" on activists.
The lawsuit also complains that police have not warned activists sufficiently before dispersal orders. Thus, Occupy protesters "did not have an opportunity to gather their belongings and leave the camp without being arrested or harmed."
Of course, participants are aware that when they trespass on others' property or block streets to keep people from getting to work, police are supposed to arrest them. Yet they whine that they aren't given enough warning to get away - with all their stuff.
It's no problem when Occupy is violent. Its website has announced that certain protests will be "militant" and that those who "identify as peaceful" may want to stay home. Occupiers describe their mix of peaceful and hostile protesters as a "diversity of tactics" - which is doublespeak for violent anarchists hiding behind clueless lefties.
It's asymmetrical warfare. In the rest of the world, the dissident who fights City Hall is the hopelessly outgunned underdog. In Oakland, City Hall is the underdog."
This is really no surprise to me. And I feel it is of a sign of things to come.
What will Armed Protest achieve? I dont know. But I genuinely feel all hell will break loose in this country within the first year of the new presidency, If not sooner. It really doesn't take long for movements of change to gain mountainous momentum in no time.
"The first Occupy protest to receive wide coverage was Occupy Wall Street in New York City's Zuccotti Park, which began on September 17, 2011. By October 9, Occupy protests had taken place or were ongoing in over 95 cities across 82 countries, and over 600 communities in the United States."
It has become a very violent protest in other parts of the world.
So with that said, I merely wanted your thoughts and opinions on the probability of Occupy becoming more and more of an Armed Revolution?
Entertain the idea.
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#15848423 - 02/22/12 06:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I believe that government tyranny is obvious, but I don't believe in the socialistic values prevalent in the Occupy Movement and other counter-culture ideologies.
And as a side-note, I would take big business over big fed. any day.
Very cool post btw.
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#15848434 - 02/22/12 06:58 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Change won't come (nor is it needed) from the Occutards.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: bourgeo]
#15848443 - 02/22/12 06:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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thank you.
Did the Video of the Guys in Phoenix with AR-15s load? I put the url in like I do with all my youtube links and It wont play for me 
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#15848466 - 02/22/12 07:02 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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AbstraKt_I_Am said:
"Occupy Oakland tactics forcing gun owners to take charge
sounds more like the property owners are going to take control of occupy X as
one property owner did when he stood with a shot gun in the lobby of the
building he'd just dumped tons of money into renovating when occupy
protesters moved in to vandalize it... needless to say, the damage was
limited to a little paint on the walls
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#15848477 - 02/22/12 07:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Did the Video of the Guys in Phoenix with AR-15s load?
no, link to the site
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
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#15848501 - 02/22/12 07:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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which is doublespeak for violent anarchists hiding behind clueless lefties.
Sounds like a fair response to violent fascists hiding behind clueless nationalists.
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#15848528 - 02/22/12 07:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The American system has provided the highest standard of living to the greatest number of people of any government in the history of mankind.
I think you'll find that the "99%" is greatly outnumbered by the "silent majority" that really don't think this system needs to be overthrown, violently or otherwise.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Madtowntripper]
#15848542 - 02/22/12 07:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The American system has provided the highest standard of living to the greatest number of people of any government in the history of mankind.
I think you'll find that the "99%" is greatly outnumbered by the "silent majority" that really don't think this system needs to be overthrown, violently or otherwise.
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#15848569 - 02/22/12 07:17 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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People are gonna freak out when gas is like $4.50 a gallon later this year.
Also, reporters are going to use the godawful phrase "pain at the pump" ad nauseum.
These things shall come to pass
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#15848573 - 02/22/12 07:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Madtowntripper said:
The American system has provided the highest standard of living to the greatest number of people of any government in the history of mankind.
Says you, high on your Chinese made chair. Any government that puts itself before god, nature, and man needs to be destroyed. No need to fight or be violent, we will win 
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#15848579 - 02/22/12 07:19 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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recreate '68
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#15848597 - 02/22/12 07:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Change won't come (nor is it needed) from the Occutards.
Not them, but then again you cant say everyone who shows up to Occupy is unanimously part of the clueless lefties and unemployed. I feel it started out solely as the 1 vs 99% which I didn't care much for. But as politicians are targeting its own citizens, ordering police to remove protesters through violent means. Its becoming less about Wall Street, and more about the actual government . Its getting deeply personal for many people.
Your right about the Occuturds to an extent. But its creating a recruiting ground almost for more radical groups.
Someone goes to an Occupy protest and gets hurt badly by a police officer is no longer thinking "Fuck the rich people and this 99 vs 1 shit"... There now thinking "What the fuck Mr. Officer, your supposed to be on my side, protecting me and upholding the peace. Not swinging a baton at me." The anger and angst finds a new target. The Government.
So when you have privately funded organizations that are about Armed Protest, you dont think that it wouldn't be a little enticing for them to say to some of these Occuturds... "The peaceful way doesn't work, but look we have body armor and guns, find both strength and safety with us."
Hell I think it would be enticing to join for the people who now have far more personal issues with the Government as a result of Occupy protest.
So really this thread is more about an Armed Revolution then solely the Occupy Protestants bringing the change, armed or not.
I guess Im trying to say the Occupy Protest was the gateway to bigger, more transformative and possibly dangerous protest.
and heres the Video of the guys with guns. I know its nothing full of action or anything, but its just kind of surprising to see an armed citizen militia showing up to one of these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xkM7cdMgcEc
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#15848615 - 02/22/12 07:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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There will always be violence and riots related to protest movements and marches, but that's not planned, orchestrated violence. I don't think there will be planned violent revolution a la the Weather Underground simply because any group that engaged in activity like that now would be labeled terrorists - and the public does not support terrorism. Anybody smart enough to start a serious violent revolution would at least take that into consideration.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: moonrockmushy]
#15848634 - 02/22/12 07:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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which is doublespeak for violent anarchists hiding behind clueless lefties.
Sounds like a fair response to violent fascists hiding behind clueless nationalists.
Well said that
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the public does not support terrorism
For real, we kill and torture out of love.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: psyke101]
#15848678 - 02/22/12 07:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I find it hard to see any armed groups really being able to take a good swing at the US government to the extent of forcing change.
I think the US gov is too well equipped to ruthlessly put any such movement down. Such a group would be immediately branded 'terrorist' right? And doesnt that mean said groups would then be treated as enemy combatants or something, so the US could use the military to put them down, rather than civil authorities?
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#15848734 - 02/22/12 07:49 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The US Government is held together by a few overachieving elitist prep-school fratboy types. I don't imagine many good soldiers would go the distance for them, and you can't win a war with mercenaries says Machiavelli.
Change will happen, it always does. Life can still be good after the United States is not controlled by those people assuming they don't blow it up out of spite.
Maybe I am just optimistic because I don't watch TV  People need to stop caring so much and enjoy life.
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#15848805 - 02/22/12 08:01 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said:
The US Government is held together by a few overachieving elitist prep-school fratboy types. I don't imagine many good soldiers would go the distance for them, and you can't win a war with mercenaries says Machiavelli.
Change will happen, it always does. Life can still be good after the United States is not controlled by those people assuming they don't blow it up out of spite.
Maybe I am just optimistic because I don't watch TV People need to stop caring so much and enjoy life.
You can suppress an entire nation when the ruling party has a standing army that is loyal to the party, not the citizens: see Nazi Germany and their use of the Brown Shirts, SS and Gestapo to control the German populace in the 1930s - 40s.
Now look at the US. What you guys have there is a standing army that is not loyal to the nation and the people but is controlled by Big Business (see Blackrock and similar private paramilitary groups). These military groups are controlled by the same people who ultimately influence the US gov... the leaders of Big Business. They are not loyal to the US nation and it's people and not bound to protect the citizens of the US.
If the US people stand up and challenge the establishment in any serious way, it will only be a matter of time before private paramilitary groups and / or US military are used to suppress those uprisings.
There are numerous similarities between current US and Nazi Germany: See The End of America by Naomi Wolf. Compulsory reading for anyone who wants to be well informed.
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Black Bloc Confidential
February 20, 2012 at 11:29 pm · Filed under Read All About It, posted by ret marut
The past few months have seen a backlash led by professional journalists against diversity of tactics in the Occupy movement. Rebecca Solnit represented our Dear Occupiers pamphlet as “a screed in justification of violence” simply because it endorsed diversity of tactics. Chris Hedges followed up by calling “black bloc anarchists”—an invented category—“The Cancer in Occupy.” Both allege that a violent fringe is undermining the movement and must be excluded from it.
What is taking place here is a kind of silencing. Defining people as “violent” is fundamentally a way to delegitimize them; Solnit and Hedges feel entitled to spread falsehoods about their political adversaries because their goal is to shut them out of the discussion entirely. That’s why Hedges acknowledges he never spoke to anyone involved in a black bloc in the course of composing his diatribe. Perhaps we shouldn’t expect better from journalists with their own wikipedia pages and glamor shots, who have much to lose should popular movements cease to be managed from the top down.
To counteract this silencing, we sought out our comrades from the heart of the black bloc and asked them to tell their side of the story: where they come from, why they participate, how they see the world. We do not accept the terms set by the mudslingers: our intent is not to compete for ideological legitimacy on a battlefield of abstractions, but to foster mutual understanding grounded in personal experience. As the expression goes, God only knows what devils we are: He can’t know anything else.
A ’zine version is available as a pdf; a reading version is available here.
God Only Knows What Devils We Are
an apologia for the black bloc from the community that has no community
courtesy of the Institute for Experimental Freedom
Have you ever worn the mask one-two one-two,
(M) to the (A) to the (S) to the (K)
Put the mask upon the face just to make the next day,
Feds be hawkin me
Jokers be stalking me,
I walk the streets and camouflage my identity,
My posse in the Brooklyn wear the mask.
My crew in the Jersey wear the mask.
Stick up kids doing boogie woogie wear the mask.
Yeah everybody wear da mask but how long will it last.
-The Fugees
That’s why I live illegal
All my life I live illegal
Don’t give a fuck bout the law
When my pockets reaching zero
I’m fresh out the ghost town similar to your town
I’m probably where it goes down
He pretends he tolls down
-Ski Beatz & Freddie Gibbs
For thirteen years, for over a decade, I have donned the black mask. “Seattle”—that word still means “the days the world stood still” to me. “Genoa” still holds more terror and perversity than the North American September 11. In experiencing anonymous collective force, I have gained far more than a diversity of tactics in my tool box. The black bloc is not merely a tactic, as so many anarchist apologists claim; it’s more of an aesthetic development in the art of street confrontation. The black bloc is a methodology of struggle; it goes beyond a single color, and its intelligence reaches beyond the terrain of protests. The black bloc is irreducibly contemporary because only in its opacity can a ray of light from the heavens finally reach us. Allow me to explain.
I.
It’s the summer of 2000. Many of us have given up on both Democrats and Republicans. The sense is that “anti-globalization” poses the only alternative to advanced capitalism. The Democratic National Convention: I am marching, drenched in sweat, through the catacombs that hosted the Rodney King riots. Sadly, the only remnant of those fateful days is a militarized police force that anticipates our every move.
We walk into an enormous play pen—the “free speech zone”—surrounded on all sides by a sea of navy blue wielding pepper balls and batons. Amid the most dreadful speeches and rebellious rock music, we find each other: the stupid, isolated, alienated, and utterly lost children of capital, just beginning our downward spiral—just beginning a precarious life, without promise and without hope.
We organize ourselves at the center and proceed to the margin, where things are unpredictable. Someone climbs the tall fence, reaching the limit of free speech; and then another, and another. A black flag is unfurled, and a figure waves it with pride, claiming this as a site of freedom with that stupid gesture. The pepper balls crash against your skin; they collide against your frail bones, exploding on impact and releasing a furious burning that traps itself in your oily clothes and sweat. The crowd collectively gains intelligence and transforms the signs bearing socialist slogans into shields for cover. We brace each other and press the signs against the fence. Shot with pepper balls, a figure falls from the apex of the fence; arms and femur bones snap against the concrete.
That putrid smell, the eyes glossed over in tears, the stomach churns and nausea overwhelms you. Vinegar-soaked rags help to soak up the poisonous clouds, but you can hear screaming everywhere as the blue tide comes rushing in, and your nerves twist and vibrate as the CS gas and police mutate into a single hostile terrain.
Suddenly, I am with six or ten people. I don’t know who. We’ve found a large road sign and we’re lifting it slowly. Plastic bottles soar impotently overhead. A small rock or two hits an officer. We press with what was once our labor power, straining to hurl the worthless product of our grandparents’ toil back at our overseers. The object tilts over the fence and falls to other side: clong. We cheer and revel in our functionless gesture. “Fuck the police” resounds throughout the night, however foolishly. A few bank windows collapse in glittery confetti. Spray paint decorates a wall. We journey to the end of the night; at its perimeter, we share drinks and laughs over our absurd gestures. Finally, back at the union hall, we crash in our sleeping bags, exhausted and dehydrated, to dream of the abolition of capitalism.
I am irreparably transformed.
II.
Lets rewind. Sixteen years ago, I am an adolescent teenager. I have entered Alcoholics Anonymous—somewhat earlier than most of my family. There, I witness one friend’s overdose, another friend’s relapse and subsequent incarceration for manslaughter, and the spread of methamphetamines throughout my neighborhood. I watch Requiem for a Dream some years later, horrified by the cinematic juxtposition of “normal” and “marginal” addiction—it feels so familiar.
I am watching 20/20, an episode exposing Nike sweatshops. Through some extended leaps of logic, I recognize a link between those exploited by sweatshops and my own condition. With this heightened sensitivity, I conclude that
1) addiction has an economic function
2) the economy includes industries that tend to harm people—through exploitation, alienation, and immiseration, the reproduction of addiction being a subset of the last of these
3) the economy tends to hurt people generally.
My initial moral indignation passes; my sensitivity shifts from a moral compass faulting individuals for their choices to something more like class consciousness. The broke-ass cars in the yard appear starker. The drive-by shootings in our neighborhood gain a new meaning. The empty refrigerators’ sad grumble reverberating in our empty stomachs, my many stepbrothers’ sweet mullet haircuts—these bring me a certain revelation: I am white trash.
Seattle: the anti-globalization summits and corresponding riots. The beautiful rhythm: work, misery, chaos. They kill Carlo and we meet at the intersection of Colfax and Broadway to block traffic, frantically trying to show our tears and rage. The war. My sister is deployed to Iraq. We wear helmets and anachronistically chant “Bring the war home!” We spray slogans and burn effigies. We block the flows of the metropolis. As if to baptize our newfound agency, we are showered in pepper spray. Tear gas spreads across entire continents. We go from basement hardcore shows to warehouse parties. Our friends learn to DJ. Cocaine comes back into style and claims two victims; heroin gets a few more. The boredom and stupidity is suffocating. We attempt to wrest the noose from our necks. Democracy sweeps Bush back into office. We’re trashing a gentrified district of Adams Morgan. My friend records an MP3 of her heartbeat, shouts and heavy breathing accentuated by shattering glass and anxiety.
In the US, we hit a lull. Everywhere else the world burns.
As we get older, we find new ways to survive. A small meeting of coworkers transforms into an ambitious conspiracy. Without making any demands of the boss, we increase our pay and our quality of life. We eat well, we can afford cigarettes, we travel where we want to: Scotland and France, Italy and Germany. Can’t stop the chaos.
In Europe, the black bloc means “no media!” I watch a snitch in a tie go down among the kicks and punches of the hooded ones. A car burns. As the police battle two thousand rock throwers, a couple hundred advance through the marketplace, smashing everything. “Tremble Bourgeoisie!” is scrawled across a temp agency service.
Back home, our own temporary involvement in the economy—our precarious life—is reflected in the windows of the temp agency, the retail shop, and the café. The image of our desire is captured in the commodities to which we have no access. Our needs are displayed in advertisements that sell us happiness and grocery store aisles that mutate our tastes and relations to other living beings. Smashing, burning, and looting make sense to us in this context like nothing else could.
III.
What Chris Hedges fails to understand about black bloc activity is that it arises from a real need. The “cancer” that Chris finds so disturbing—the contagion of an anonymous collective force—is precisely why and how it continues to outlive every social movement from which it emerges. These generations—we who fantasized about Columbine and now only know metal detectors at school; we who expected September 11 and now only know the politics of terror; we who grew up as the world crumbled all around us and now only know the desert—we need to fight, and not just in the ways our rulers deem justified and legitimate.
As workers, we’re excluded from unions, from collective arrangements of any kind. When we manage to find employment at all, it is meaningless labor that corresponds to our own superfluousness in the economy. We were raised by a generation so thoroughly defeated that it feared to pass on its history. We are the inheritors of every unpaid bill, of every failed struggle, the products of the insanely selfish individualism of advanced capitalism in North America.
Our entire environment feels hostile. Hence our hostility.
Chris Hedges cannot understand this because he misses the real historical conflict expressed in contemporary struggles. As David Graeber points out, his exhumation of the decrepit journal Green Anarchy shows how out of touch he is. The black bloc spreads because of a real need to take back force, which has been monopolized by the police. The black bloc spreads because it is a living practice of collective intelligence, redistribution of wealth, and improvisation; it spreads because it interrupts the ways we are confined in our identities as subjects within capitalism. The black bloc is tuned to the uneasy pulse of our time.
A paradigm of life is coming to an end. The black bloc is irrevocably contemporary because our age of unrest is reflected in this gesture. Populations everywhere are becoming ungovernable and doing so by casting off the fundamental assumptions of government, the techniques of policing, and laws of the economy. The paradigm of sovereignty is collapsing.
To see what is changing, we have to understand the nature of sovereignty. The modern state is founded upon an anthropological fiction of human nature and the surgical extraction of violence from living beings. Thomas Hobbes argued that the establishment of the civil state conveyed the human being from the state of nature—a war of each against all—to the loving arms of the sovereign, rendering him a citizen-subject on the condition that he leave “nature” at the door. But this discourse separates each being from collectivity: the subject of sovereignty is always already an isolated individual. And the arrangement keeps war at the center of the state, as the sole dominion of the sovereign. Ironically, what the subject lays down in return for security—the capacity to use force—is precisely what the sovereign must wield in order to ensure it: and this is wielded above all against subjects.
The form of sovereign power shifted as democratic governments replaced autocracies, but the content of state sovereignty remains. The modern state has shifted from techniques governing territory to techniques governing populations.
It is increasingly difficult to distinguish between totalitarian and democratic governments, as policing is identical under both. The police have the power to let live or take life—biopower—and the distinction between democratic and totalitarian becomes even more muddled as management and medicine also gain this power, determining who can access fundamental human needs. The mediation of capital creates a hellish environment in which practically everyone is integrated into a single hostile terrain, subject to its violence and its justice. If the cause du jour is enunciated as “fuck the police,” this is because the police are the living embodiment of Hobbe’s Leviathan, the state that keeps us at arm’s length from our own potential.
“The police” includes all who police; policing is an array of techniques, not all of which demand uniforms. Hedges’ cancer metaphor exposes his penchant for order, translating it explicitly into the language of biopower. Remember how Oakland’s Mayor, Jean Quan, and other authority figures used the discourse of health and risk to justify the repression of occupations around the US? Hedges continues this work of policing with his metaphor of an unhealthy social body in need of surgery. Whenever the basic assumptions of sovereignty and capitalism are called into question by those who defy state violence and the sanctity of property, the police are mobilized to discipline them. This disciplining is carried out by both the armed wing and the necktied wing of the police. It’s not a coincidence that Hedges invokes biopolitical language just as a portion of the population is beginning to discover the power of their bodies.
Less than seven years ago, in New Orleans an entire population was forced into a concentration camp by militarized police forces acting on a juridical state of emergency. The ones who did not obey this order could be gratuitously shot down. The justification given during Katrina was the health and well-being of the population. One can’t help but notice this same paradigm at work, albeit with less racialized brutality, in the violent evictions of the occupations. Safety, Health, Security: Necessity knows no law. These police actions only deviate slightly from the norm in terms of intensity, frequency, and grammar of “protection.” The deaths of Oscar Grant and Sean Bell attest to the murderous day-to-day operations of the police. The other casualties, the forgotten, continue to haunt every city block, where the police function to eliminate useless surplus—either out of economic utility or biopolitical necessity.
There is no document of civilization that is not at the same time a document of barbarism, as Walter Benjamin spells out in Theses on the Philosophy of History. It is terrifying to face the wreckage of history that constitutes the present. One loses count of the tragedies. Despair, recoded as “happiness,” runs through every aspect of social life, increasingly reflected by Hollywood and ironic television sitcoms as if to anesthetize us.
The arguments for orderly, passive demonstrations by Hedges and other liberal pundits miss all this. One doesn’t sweep the floor in a house falling off a cliff. In a world that feels absolutely hostile and alien, every element of social life acquires a sinister glow. In this light, the black bloc appears as a ray of optimism because it creates an opening that leads through to the other side of despair.
The new struggles increasingly take place outside of legitimate and traditional venues. When the factory was the contested site, the workers’ movement was the most vibrant and decisive space of contestation. During the shift from a factory-centered economy to an economy integrating social life, we saw the emergence of social movements contesting social spaces. Now that social life has been fully subsumed within capitalism, the mutant offspring of the proletariat and the counterculture is appearing outside the legitimate parameters of the old movements. This explains the spread of anti-social violence, anomic play, self-destructive revolt, irony. Chris Hedges may wish to turn away his gaze, but society is imploding.
We accept our conditions and get organized accordingly. Compared to the fatal and fatalistic strategy employed by school shooters, terrorists, and isolated individuals marked as insane, the black bloc, rioting, and flashmobs are collective and vital forms of struggle. The Left is obsolete—rightfully so, as it still clings to this collapsing society at war with its population. Society is decomposing and nothing will or should bring back the the good ol’ days—the days of slavery, hyper-exploitation of women, apartheid, homophobic violence, Jim Crow. We wager that organizing our antagonisms collectively and attacking this society where we are positioned, without anything mediating our force, is our best chance for a life worth living.
Remarking on how the black bloc assaults the sanctity of property, Chris says “there’s a word for that: criminal.” Even here he is behind the times. Once, it seemed that crime designated specific transgressions of the law, such as breaking a window. Today, this fiction is evaporating as crime is openly integrated into the economy. The black market, the gray market, the war on drugs, the war on terror. Branding criminal is not simply a maneuver in a public relations war—though it is that too; crime is the excess of law. Security cameras and Loss Prevention are not there to stop shoplifting and workplace theft any more than borders exist to stop illegal immigration. The designation of criminal is simply one more tool for managing populations, another line along which to divide and exploit.
The cynicism of the justice system is surpassed only by capitalism itself. There’s not enough money circulating any more for us to be fully integrated, so entire economies of ultra-flexible, superfluous, and precarious work have arisen. We don’t do anything that appears to matter, but somehow we have to do it all the time. Just to count as people, we have to gain all sorts of stupid commodities—a cellphone, a laptop, a specific knowledge of culture. Because our wages are so low and we work so much, our only options are illicit. Petty drug dealing, sex work, and pirating movies and music have become at once a normal practice for us and a constant opportunity for the police to rein us into the justice industry. The black bloc makes sense to us because it offers an intelligent way to do what we always have to be doing without getting caught.
If Chris Hedges is really concerned about crime, perhaps he shouldn’t praise anything in the movement of occupations. What attracts us to the black bloc is exactly what draws us to the occupation of a public square: all the different people with different experiences coming together to steal back the time stolen from us by work and the spaces stolen from us by ownership and policing, the collective crime of revolt. Hum the national anthem all you want and sing “dissent is patriotic” to the media, but the reality is that anything that breaks with the way things are is categorized in the same sphere of crime as “violence” and treated accordingly. So why not do it together and with intelligence?
IV.
Above all, the black bloc is contemporary because it is a site of self-transformation. Even the abused corpse of Gandhi is in accord: if we want to change the world we must change ourselves. To take this further, we might say we have to abolish ourselves.
Capitalism has only managed to stave off revolution by constantly reordering and diffusing social antagonism. At the center of the economy, it is increasingly difficult to distinguish between citizens and police, yet at the same time they appear to be at war with each other. At the margins, everything that once made antagonistic groups into “revolutionary subjects” is extracted—think of the fate of the Black Panthers—and the remaining husk works to gain entrance to the center or manage the disorder of the margins. Only an immediate break with the process by which we become subjects can open a window of potential. This self-transformative gesture is where tactics and ethics meet. If liberal commentators can’t handle the implications of this, this just shows the widening abyss between those who would defend citizenship and those who refuse to be governed.
Allow me to elaborate from our side of the barricades.
The black bloc is an anonymous way of being together. Anonymity allows me to shed the mask I have to wear at school, at work, in your parents’ house, in casual conversations at the bar. The black bloc enables us to interrupt the processes that make us into subjects according to race, gender, mental health, physiological health. Here, we can cease worrying about how power will extract the truth from us, and we can reveal truth to each other.
The black bloc assumes an intense ethics of care. Hedges alleges that it is “hypermasculine.” Not everyone who dons the black mask reads feminist and queer theory—Bell Hooks, Judith Butler, Selma James, Silvia Federici, Guy Hocquenghem—but these are extremely influential on our discourse. Had Hedges taken the time to research his subject, he would have found multiple discussions about the gender of anonymity.
Via the black bloc, we open the space to play with power. We radically reverse its operations on our bodies. Casting off the assumption that our bodies need to be protected, that we should give them over to the care of the state, we collectively re-inscribe them as as source of power. We also reverse the notion that freedom ends at the boundaries of individuals. I want you to put me at risk: in this axiom, we find the basis of love, friendship, and death, the three irreducible risks of life.
The black bloc is the site for a new sentimental education: a political reordering of our sentiments. We learn new sensations of love, friendship, and death through the matrix of collective confrontation. In the obscurity of the black mask, I am most present in the world. This unfamiliar way of being compels me to focus and intensify my senses, to be radically present in my body and my environment.
In the black bloc, I have to reconceptualize geographies. The event of the riot gives us a new mobility and space, a laboratory in which to experiment with public space and the relations of property and commodities. Moving through a one-way street backwards, I note how a slight displacement causes the flows of capital to malfunction. The metropolitan environment ceases to appear as a neutral terrain: suddenly I can identify all the ways it functions to channel all activity into a very narrow range of possibilities.
Drifting thus through urban centers, I become attuned to all the apparatuses at work and to how they can be caused to break down. Newspaper boxes and dumpsters can be moved into the street, blocking police from entering the space we are creating. Cars—the individualizing apparatus par excellence—can be put to collective use. All the pretty commodities in the window, usually the breadth of an entire social class away from me, are now a mere hammer’s distance from my proletarian hands. I can move through these spaces in which I am not authorized to be, transforming them. I can dance with mannequins or use them to smash out the windows of a storefront. I can trade the insanity of everyday misery for a collective madness that devastates the avenues of wealth.
For those of us who were excluded from the community of good workers, there is the black bloc. Like the myth of the historical proletarian community, it has no single organization, no membership, no written constitution. Through the black bloc, we find collective power, a sense of camaraderie, a historical tradition of living and fighting. It offers the possibility of immediately changing our conditions and immediately changing ourselves. Those who say it doesn’t act in the workplace misunderstand the forms work takes today and where it takes place. The black bloc has been instrumental in the recent port blockades on the West Coast and in the occupations of universities through Europe, the UK, the US, and Chile; the method is constantly being appropriated and adapted. When coworkers outsmart the cameras to take money from the register to share—when the hungry pocket goodies from an expensive health food store—when Anonymous strikes the credit card companies—wherever we use anonymity offensively, there is black bloc.
As I write this, Greece burns yet again, and more of the flexible, unemployed, and immigrant populations appropriate the tactics of the hooded ones—and vice versa. The black bloc can’t be cut out of the movement of occupations: there is no surgery that can extract the need for redemption from history, and there is no method better tuned to that task than this vital opacity. On the contrary, the so-called cancer will grow, spread, and mutate—and the movement of occupations, like other movements, will increasingly be indistinguishable from the black bloc.
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The American system has provided the highest standard of living to the greatest number of people of any government in the history of mankind.
I think you'll find that the "99%" is greatly outnumbered by the "silent majority" that really don't think this system needs to be overthrown, violently or otherwise.
yea if youre american its pretty pointless to hate your own government right now since America is pretty Boss.
If your from one of the countries we're fucking or actually care aboot those folks then i guess i see where your coming from.
Im currently enjoying some rich chocolate cake while  on the interwebs.
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I could live in El Paso or something.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: psyke101]
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You can suppress an entire nation when the ruling party has a standing army that is loyal to the party, not the citizens: see Nazi Germany and their use of the Brown Shirts, SS and Gestapo to control the German populace in the 1930s - 40s.
Now look at the US. What you guys have there is a standing army that is not loyal to the nation and the people but is controlled by Big Business (see Blackrock and similar private paramilitary groups). These military groups are controlled by the same people who ultimately influence the US gov... the leaders of Big Business. They are not loyal to the US nation and it's people and not bound to protect the citizens of the US.
If the US people stand up and challenge the establishment in any serious way, it will only be a matter of time before private paramilitary groups and / or US military are used to suppress those uprisings.
There are numerous similarities between current US and Nazi Germany: See The End of America by Naomi Wolf. Compulsory reading for anyone who wants to be well informed.
It is troublesome, especially with those awful weapons they've got, but they're men like you and me (at least I am believing that for now, if they are aliens they are funny as hell for pulling this big prank on us and I will gladly work for them)
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Could be worse.....
I could live in El Paso or something.
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the occupy movement needs to do more shit like this. if bullets start flying, shit will get interesting
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An armed rebellion only brings more tyranny. Peaceful transition is the only way to fix government, and even then, people manipulating the system will be something that will always happen, until we are extinct.
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The American system has provided the highest standard of living to the greatest number of people of any government in the history of mankind.
I think you'll find that the "99%" is greatly outnumbered by the "silent majority" that really don't think this system needs to be overthrown, violently or otherwise.
yea if youre american its pretty pointless to hate your own government right now since America is pretty Boss.
If your from one of the countries we're fucking or actually care aboot those folks then i guess i see where your coming from.
Im currently enjoying some rich chocolate cake while on the interwebs.
Could be worse.....
I could live in El Paso or something.
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well the whole peaceful thing hasn't really done much so far. I think a little violence might wake america up
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well the whole peaceful thing hasn't really done much so far. I think a little violence might wake america up
I think it would result in the police state you are trying to prevent.
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Exactly, People would panic the government owuld take advantage shove through some ridiculous legislation's and turn the state into the very thing you fear.
See how Canada or the US treats its none violent protesters? Like scum. then they turn around and condemn the actions of governments like Syria's which has a completely legitimate ruler facing a violent uprising attempting to dispose him. I have no doubt in my mind that Canada and the US would turn around and do the same to whoever was attempting to violently dispose them.
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I hate to say it - but that's what they'd want you to be afraid of  (not that it isn't true)
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
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Stick to shitting in the working man's public park and making fools out of yourselves.
I'd love if this came to fruition. The "armed revolution" wouldn't last a day. Face it, the have too much to lose, and their version of leftist politics is what turned the public against them.
Went from "Protect Main Street" to a jumbled mess of cafeteria left politics quick.
Occupy is full of limp wristed cunts who probably never shot a gun in their lives. Let's see this armed revolution, more importantly let's see if it makes it past lunch. Just so you don't get it twisted, or accuse me of something I am not. I am liberal myself.
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Occupy needs to go away. All I can see it standing for now is "we are protesting to get our right to protest in the parks back"
It never evolved into any meaningful social message.
The 60's at least had Vietnam to complain about.
Occupy want to raise taxes on rich people and is pissed about loans our government mad that have already been paid back with interest? I mean, I'm anti corporatism but fucking seriously they need to actually have an issue worth fucking complaining about.
99% my ass. More like
"Occupy: the 1% that has no fucking clue what is going on."
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The first week or so was great. It was all about, look out for main street over politicians and their benefactors.
Now it's a jumbled pile of shit, and all the sensible people have left.
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Hmm I feel as though I should of changed the title, or emphasized less on the actual Occupy movement. Im more interested in what people think about radicals who think violent protest and violence is a productive way of change. You can't argue it isnt, because every current and past world empire was built on bloodshed.
And I guess I just dont find people who want to use force if nessacery, to remove thier leaders, as radicals.
Only a couple hundred years ago in this very country if you were a person in political power who did anything less but honestly represent the people and work for them... You could expect lynch mobs full of torches, pitch forks and rifles...
Ideally the thought was, If you want honest leaders and politicians. You have to instill the fear in them, that if they don't work for you, then they don't work at all.
Now our politicians aren't even scared of being voted out of office. Thats how fucking PATHETIC THIS COUNTRY HAS BECOME.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
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Yeah, probably. LOL. I agree with that last post.
Occupy trying to impose their will, I would definitively fight against.
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The 60's at least had Vietnam to complain about.
This generation has plenty to complain about. Vietnam was an issue in the 60s. Why is Iraq not rousing citizens to rebellion now?
Because the government and the people who control Big Business and Big Media have won the battle for your minds. They learned from the 60s and figured out how to stop dissent. Control the media, control the way the 'enemy' is portrayed and keep the masses well fed and well entertained. The masses become too comfortable, apathetic and lazy to rebel or even care. And the masses take all their education from biased 'news' channels controlled by the same people waging the wars.
During the Vietnam war there was true independent media. There were news outlets prepared to stand up to Nixon's government and show imagery and footage of atrocities being commited, to show how GI's and civilians were dying horribly for no real reason.
The same atrocities are being commited in Iraq right now. But the media is sterilised and controlled and everyone has been duped into believing that anyone who wears a turban is a terrorist and should die.
So who will be the target next? Iranins? Terrorists! Syrians? Terrorists! Maybe China? Maybe the UK if they dont tow the line? Maybe the Occupy movement are run by terrorists, that is US citizens are now terrorists.
Who will do anything about it? Who would rock the boat? The masses are too fat, complacent, comfortable, overfed and over entertained to even care let alone act.
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The 60's at least had Vietnam to complain about.
This generation has plenty to complain about. Vietnam was an issue in the 60s. Why is Iraq not rousing citizens to rebellion now?
1. No mandatory draft for the W.o.T.
2. We are out of Iraq.
3. More people are dieing in Mexico thanks to the war on drugs than there are people dieing in Afghanistan.
***mindless bullshit****
During the Vietnam war there was true independent media.
1. The internet has more fucking access points that piece of shit "media" from the 60's. We dominate access to information in 2012.
2. In, 2012 if someone fucking blows up a car in Sri Lanka or gives a blowjob in LA you can bet its on the internet within 10 minutes. That shit wouldn't even be known to Americans in the 60's.
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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
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dying is spelt dying not with an i e.
Civilian deaths in Iraq: http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
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dying is spelt dying not with an i e.
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dying is spelt dying not with an i e.
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Change won't come (nor is it needed) from the Occutards.
Or people like you.
Move on Shroomery. Nothing to see from this guy....
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The American system has provided the highest standard of living to the greatest number of people of any government in the history of mankind.
I think you'll find that the "99%" is greatly outnumbered by the "silent majority" that really don't think this system needs to be overthrown, violently or otherwise.
yea if youre american its pretty pointless to hate your own government right now since America is pretty Boss.
If your from one of the countries we're fucking or actually care aboot those folks then i guess i see where your coming from.
Im currently enjoying some rich chocolate cake while on the interwebs.
Could be worse.....
I could live in El Paso or something.
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I think it's true that in the 60s, people got outraged en mass and tried to force change.
That same outrage at injustice isn't present today. Generally people are more apathetic and maybe feel powerless and as a result dont act, and I think this plays into the hands of the powers that be.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: psyke101] 2
#15850390 - 02/23/12 01:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xkM7cdMgcEc
Back to the video. Who are these armed protestors? Usborderpatrol.com
Well I find it interesting that a privately paid border patrol would be at a rally. What other agendas could there be for their presence? Considering the lot of thees "armed protestors" are former veterans and currently do scouting and information gathering for the us customs and border patrol, I highly doubt the police and them would ever engage in gun play. Their main page even has police training information..
But I wouldn't mind having this on "our" side in Oakland.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: cacharstar]
#15850484 - 02/23/12 02:19 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xkM7cdMgcEc
Back to the video. Who are these armed protestors? Usborderpatrol.com
Well I find it interesting that a privately paid border patrol would be at a rally. What other agendas could there be for their presence? Considering the lot of thees "armed protestors" are former veterans and currently do scouting and information gathering for the us customs and border patrol, I highly doubt the police and them would ever engage in gun play. Their main page even has police training information..
But I wouldn't mind having this on "our" side in Oakland.
Thank You for posting this. I should have made the thread about them and not mentioned the Occupy thing so much.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#15850487 - 02/23/12 02:21 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I want to cruise that bitch in the streets.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: PatrickKn]
#15850494 - 02/23/12 02:26 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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dying is spelt dying not with an i e.
And it's incorrect to type out 'spelt'. It's spelled 'spelled'.
actually either one is acceptable.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spell
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Anthony]
#15850509 - 02/23/12 02:30 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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dying is spelt dying not with an i e.
And it's incorrect to type out 'spelt'. It's spelled 'spelled'.
actually either one is acceptable.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spell
if you're gonna be a nazi at least know what you're talking aboot
Right back at you, capitalize the first words in your sentences. 
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: PatrickKn]
#15850522 - 02/23/12 02:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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capitalization doesn't concern me
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: cacharstar]
#15850537 - 02/23/12 02:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Lol that's the longest dispute over a misspelled word Ive seen in a while.
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Back to the video. Who are these armed protestors? Usborderpatrol.com
Well I find it interesting that a privately paid border patrol would be at a rally. What other agendas could there be for their presence? Considering the lot of thees "armed protestors" are former veterans and currently do scouting and information gathering for the us customs and border patrol, I highly doubt the police and them would ever engage in gun play. Their main page even has police training information..
But I wouldn't mind having this on "our" side in Oakland.
No offense but I just wanted to let you know you got the website wrong lol. Its http://usborderguard.com/US_Border_Guard.html
I checked out your link and then ran it through wiki and was confused for a second because both sources say its part of the government. Which it is lol.
Kinda confusing with such similar URL names.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Anthony]
#15850538 - 02/23/12 02:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Once Occupy starts getting in this guys face I will consider them legitimate.... 
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: starfire_xes] 1
#15850547 - 02/23/12 02:40 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Once Occupy starts getting in this guys face I will consider them legitimate....
Fuck him.
Hes not worth the time of day.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: DeadHearts]
#15850550 - 02/23/12 02:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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HE IS the stereotypical one-percenter.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: starfire_xes]
#15850572 - 02/23/12 02:46 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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HE IS the stereotypical one-percenter.
They should move away from the 1% bullshit.
Lets work on the instability of multiple wars including the war on drugs that is a
complete detriment to the current state of the economy first? Social programs
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: DeadHearts]
#15850600 - 02/23/12 02:57 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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we need to cut spending everywhere.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Anthony]
#15850623 - 02/23/12 03:03 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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That pie chart is crap.
The numbers are wrong and again who gives a shit about Obama?
The national debt has pretty much been on a gradual increase since the 80s.
Its the whole fucking system. Guess what? You get another Romney or Santourm in there
the debt is going to continue to rise.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: DeadHearts]
#15850657 - 02/23/12 03:14 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Those numbers are accurate, they just don't include any state spending. They are only federal spending.
Who gives a shit about Obama and the mentally inept congress? Me. Most americans who pay attention give a shit about Obama.
sure it's been on the rise since the 80's, but they weren't adding 1.5+ trillion to the debt every year.
and I said the entire size of the federal government needs to shrink, when did I say it was solely Obama?
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Anthony]
#15850697 - 02/23/12 03:31 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Good God. Look at the federal Debt increasing until 2015. That is fucking scary. They also have an unrealistic projection of GDP and the amount the yearly federal debt is going to shrink (It isn't) that's gonna be one great big shit sandwich, and everyone gets to take a bite...
And right The need to take a chainsaw to the whole fucking federal government. They are so bloated and out of control that it CAN'T continue. And Nit-witney (Romney), the little lizard newt, rick scrotorum, Or shuck and jive Obama are not going to fix it. I guarantee that.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: starfire_xes]
#15850700 - 02/23/12 03:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Good God. Look at the federal Debt increasing until 2015. That is fucking scary. They also have an unrealistic projection of GDP and the amount the yearly federal debt is going to shrink (It isn't) that's gonna be one great big shit sandwich, and everyone gets to take a bite...
And right The need to take a chainsaw to the whole fucking federal government. They are so bloated and out of control that it CAN'T continue. And Nit-witney (Romney), the little lizard newt, rick scrotorum, Or shuck and jive Obama are not going to fix it. I guarantee that.
go watch the arizona highlights I just posted in the RP thread. Santorum is officially finished.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Anthony]
#15850701 - 02/23/12 03:34 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Who gives a shit about Obama and the mentally inept congress? Me. Most americans who pay attention give a shit about Obama.
sure it's been on the rise since the 80's, but they weren't adding 1.5+ trillion to the debt every year.
and I said the entire size of the federal government needs to shrink, when did I say it was solely Obama?
ehhhhhhhhhhhahhhhhh touche. Im just resting on a very near future with out him and our
inept congress. I did not say it was solely Obama on your part but as so many people
like to do it sounded like another "hes the antichrist" BS. Hes just another puppet and the effects of our system are starting to show their true colors.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#15850704 - 02/23/12 03:35 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Good God. Look at the federal Debt increasing until 2015. That is fucking scary. They also have an unrealistic projection of GDP and the amount the yearly federal debt is going to shrink (It isn't) that's gonna be one great big shit sandwich, and everyone gets to take a bite...
And right The need to take a chainsaw to the whole fucking federal government. They are so bloated and out of control that it CAN'T continue. And Nit-witney (Romney), the little lizard newt, rick scrotorum, Or shuck and jive Obama are not going to fix it. I guarantee that.
go watch the arizona highlights I just posted in the RP thread. Santorum is officially finished.
Ron Paul raped Santourm so bad in the beginning LOL
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: DeadHearts]
#15850715 - 02/23/12 03:39 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I think obama is worse because his policies rape the people. Raising taxes so you can spend more money that we don't have doesn't do anybody any good. Except the people sucking the federal titty who continue to vote for these guys.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Anthony]
#15850765 - 02/23/12 03:55 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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-I just watched that video. Romney was a deer in the headlights, Paul ripped Santorum a new asshole, and Gingrich was agreeing with everything that Paul said.....
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: DeadHearts]
#15850931 - 02/23/12 05:36 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Change won't come (nor is it needed) from the Occutards.
Or people like you.
Move on Shroomery. Nothing to see from this guy....
I'm not trying for change.
How cute that you would feel the need to focus on me rather than the topic.
Thanks for playing. And losing.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: AbstraKt_I_Am]
#15851034 - 02/23/12 07:35 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Anthony]
#15851445 - 02/23/12 10:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Anthony said:
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PatrickKn said:
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psyke101 said:
dying is spelt dying not with an i e.
And it's incorrect to type out 'spelt'. It's spelled 'spelled'.
actually either one is acceptable.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/spell
if you're gonna be a nazi at least know what you're talking aboot
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: Anthony]
#15851464 - 02/23/12 10:37 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Anthony said:
I think obama is worse because his policies rape the people. Raising taxes so you can spend more money that we don't have doesn't do anybody any good. Except the people sucking the federal titty who continue to vote for these guys.
Wait the president can raise taxes?
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: twighead]
#15851691 - 02/23/12 11:40 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Just look watch is happening in Greece, Spain, Portugal, and Italy, this is what happens when the finances hit the wall, they are all broke. The US is no different, our finances are even worst.
The protests in Greece are violent, when the citizens get pushed against the wall, they push back. The police have also said that they have major issues with EU officials and might even arrest them, bottom line, the police are starting to join its own citizens in this protest.
Just wait until food and energy expenses really begin the soar in this country, with flat wages and government handouts, survival will start to be a difficult process for many Americans, that is when the protests get very nasty.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: DeadHearts]
#15851953 - 02/23/12 12:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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starfire_xes said:
HE IS the stereotypical one-percenter.
They should move away from the 1% bullshit.
Lets work on the instability of multiple wars including the war on drugs that is a
complete detriment to the current state of the economy first? Social programs
I don't like the 1% idea wither. It seems like if we go by ratios there will always be a 1%. Most people want to have lots of stuff, that is a part of life that will probably not go away.
We don't like what certain people are doing with the stuff in their possession (using it for the purpose of selfish ignorance and paranoia). Part of the Occupy movements purpose is to bring attention to these issues (ending war, poverty, shady banking, prohibition), I think they've done an admirable job. I would like it to be 100% because I think what they talk about is important, but we all know most people don't give a shit so it is not anywhere close to 99%.
I think non-violence is the best way to take on these issues. I think the people here want what most everyone else in the world wants, and we need to recognize that. People who support war should be the ones to fight in wars, I don't care how old, cowardly, and weak they are, we need to put the pressure on them any way we can. They want us to keep working for their companies and not make their brainwashed businessmen question the system. Unless there is a better way to bring down the system without violence, I say make deliberate moves to stop being a part of that system and spread the word about what is going on.
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: abltsandwich]
#15851954 - 02/23/12 12:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Grammar Nazis don't end sentences with [misspelled] prepositions.
Not even Canadian grammar Nazis?
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#15940414 - 03/13/12 01:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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thats why they're making those new direct energy weapons cause they know that violent protests are coming
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: reeferman500]
#15940437 - 03/13/12 01:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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thats why they're making those new direct energy weapons cause they know that violent protests are coming
I saw about the new guns and thought the same thing. Ill try to find a video but the shit is crazy, it charges particles then blast a stream of air at a ridiculously impacting speed, but even crazier, the charged particles stay attached to what ever they hit... Sure it doesnt sound to bad.. Unless they load the guns with pepper spray, causing it to not only hit you at new potential distances and accuracy, but its gonna stick to your skin like super glue. Crazy shit, thats for sure.
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#15940455 - 03/13/12 01:48 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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hell yeah, but people will eventually find away to get around it if it really comes down to that
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Re: Occupy Movements transitioning into Armed Revolutions. [Re: reeferman500]
#15940548 - 03/13/12 02:16 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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hell yeah, but people will eventually find away to get around it if it really comes down to that
When people start getting hit with particle guns that look like they came out of some scifi movie with super glue like pepper spray. Well Id imagine some people are gonna start coming to protest and exercising their right to bear arms, very passionately.
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