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White Beard said:
I said maybe. Is that an acceptable answer?

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Ethnobotanical said:
God damnit people Quit using your defense mechanisms (from your own fear of a physical hell) to avoid answering the fucking question

YES or NO

Fuck I find it hilarious that a group who claims to disbelieve in hells existence......tries so hard to convince themselves and others that its simple a state of mind, blah blah blah.

Its a yes or no question. Dont get all philosophical, deep, or technical about it. Be brave, and state your opinion without retreating into your own logic

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Ethnobotanical said:
God damnit people Quit using your defense mechanisms (from your own fear of a physical hell) to avoid answering the fucking question

YES or NO

Fuck I find it hilarious that a group who claims to disbelieve in hells existence......tries so hard to convince themselves and others that its simple a state of mind, blah blah blah.

Its a yes or no question. Dont get all philosophical, deep, or technical about it. Be brave, and state your opinion without retreating into your own logic

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so you want s bunch of post that say:

yes
no
no
no
yes
no
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yes
no
no

I mean if thats all you wanted why not just take a damn poll?


I think its hilarious that you want people to answer with just YES or NO, dont use philosophy or logic just YES or NO.

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Ethnobotanical said:
God damnit people Quit using your defense mechanisms (from your own fear of a physical hell) to avoid answering the fucking question

YES or NO

Fuck I find it hilarious that a group who claims to disbelieve in hells existence......tries so hard to convince themselves and others that its simple a state of mind, blah blah blah.

Its a yes or no question. Dont get all philosophical, deep, or technical about it. Be brave, and state your opinion without retreating into your own logic

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tracedwards313 said:

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Ethnobotanical said:
God damnit people Quit using your defense mechanisms (from your own fear of a physical hell) to avoid answering the fucking question

YES or NO

Fuck I find it hilarious that a group who claims to disbelieve in hells existence......tries so hard to convince themselves and others that its simple a state of mind, blah blah blah.

Its a yes or no question. Dont get all philosophical, deep, or technical about it. Be brave, and state your opinion without retreating into your own logic

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so you want s bunch of post that say:

yes
no
no
no
yes
no
no
no
no
yes
no
no

I mean if thats all you wanted why not just take a damn poll?


I think its hilarious that you want people to answer with just YES or NO, dont use philosophy or logic just YES or NO.

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well played good sir

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White Beard said:
Why is it because Buddhism says there are hell realms gives the idea more credibility then when other faiths raise the idea?

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c0sm0nautt said:
I've experienced a few hell realms in nightly dreams and out-of-body journeys. It seems to be a consensus among out-of-body explorers that these places exist. However, it is not about punishment from a judgmental god. It is simply a law of nature that after physical death the individual consciousness gravitates to whatever realm it is most similar to. The environment acts as a mirror. People spend time in these self imposed hells until the message gets through to them, that their environment is a direct result of their inner alchemy. Imagine the learning experience when all the serial killers are grouped together, to experience being the victim at each others will.

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Indeed.

This is similar to the way I've come to understand the probability of the existence of hell realms. 

I've experienced some terrible appearances in dreams, and I remember one in particular where I found myself in a realm where all the beings in this realm were equally tormented by the fear of experiencing torturous sufferings from each other (much how I would imagine the fear a human would experience right before he is about to be tortured, knowing the unimaginable pain that is about to ensue) and therefore were all extremely hostile and afraid of each other, and in order to defend themselves from this threat would use weapons (including things like skill-saws) to attack each other.  It was an awful place.  All were mere reflections of themselves, afraid of themselves, and attacking themselves. 

And yes, during a dream, the physical sensations of getting impaled by a sharp object, or the sensation of having a broken beer bottle jammed into the side of my face, have felt so real as to not being able to distinguish the sensations as 'false'. Even if I'd known that I was dreaming, the sensation never felt any less real.

Also, this is one of the reasons I feel that there is a great danger in harboring negative states of mind.  According to buddhism, the state of mind one is in upon death is of great significance.  It can potentially pave the way to the experience of terrible sufferings if one does not cleanse oneself from the inner-poisons, and aggressive and hostile misconceptions. 

It is also stated that dreams, therefore, are also of great significance since they can provide us with a reflection of our inner-world, and what realms our consciousness can potentially manifest.  Like falling asleep in a negative state of mind, which can trigger negative karmic potentials which in turn result in nightmarish appearances in dreams. Recurring nightmares could therefore function like an internal warning system in this regard, as if to remind us to purify ourselves from negativities if we would be to avoid experiencing the hell-realms.  And since in buddhism it is also stated that the cycle of sleep and waking is similar to death and rebirth, I think there is a definite wisdom in giving attention to this area of our life - examining the quality of our dreams, our inner-states, states of mind, attitudes, perspectives, mental-emotional patterns, etc...

Interestingly enough though, since the time I began meditating regularly and experiencing purer states of mind, the quality of my dreams has changed.  I remember my dreams had a negative and hostile quality to them - as if I was always running away from some sort of danger, with a sense of conflict, strife, danger, gloom and doom, all on a regular nightly basis.  I even wrote a journal to document them.

Nowadays, although I might still experience a dream that is riddled with hostile emotions and strange and unfavorable sensations, they do not appear regularity for me anymore, and in fact, it seems as if most of the dreams (as far as the ones I remember) are usually filled with laughter, fun, peace, hilarity, and a sense of control, and a feeling of "I can" rather than "I can't".

But strictly speaking about the possibility of hell-realms, unfortunately, yes, I think it's all too possible, and this possibility should not be ignored, specially considering the terrible sufferings beings are subject to today on this planet, as we speak, on such a vast scale.