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 Kickle
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 Re: Does suffering really have an end?  [Re: Galidor4]
#15820857 - 02/16/12 11:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Lucky you 
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tribesman
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: Galidor4]
#15820860 - 02/16/12 11:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I love that book, thanks guruu oojijimoo.
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: Kickle]
#15820950 - 02/16/12 11:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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For instance today I ran into more nice people than usual. Everyone (and I mean everyone) was considerate, warm, and full of joy. A few times I must have been just smiling because people would look at me and just start smiling back almost as if wondering why I was smiling with no visible reason to be. But all the same I got bubbles of suffering. On the whole the day consisted of a radiant joy. But lingering in the shadows, suffering.
My day went the same way all the way down to the suffering.  It was quite a trip.
I'm glad to find this was posted in S&M. So a question I've asked myself and have for you...
Do you think making changes in the way you view and approach life alters the outcome of events in you life? 
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: pyrate999]
#15821213 - 02/17/12 12:16 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Do you think making changes in the way you view and approach life alters the outcome of events in you life?
And I find the subtler the change I can pick up on, the grosser the shift I notice around me, which is counter-intuitive for me in a lot of ways.
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 Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: Kickle]
#15821796 - 02/17/12 03:00 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Suffering has an end.
All suffering is built around desire.
Mental suffering is rooted around mental desire's.
Physical suffering is rooted around physical desires.
Learn to live in peace and surrender.
And all suffering shall end along with these desire's.
My first post, figured I'd make is philosophical.
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: MushPuppy]
#15821834 - 02/17/12 03:15 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: Kickle]
#15822170 - 02/17/12 06:11 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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What are your thoughts?
For something to 'end' first it must have a 'start', when i look for the start of suffering i can't find it
If you bang your head & then suffer the pain, the pain of course will end as it had a tangible start, so in that case obviously it does start/end, same for any ill/pain that can make you 'suffer' in this body, it mostly ends with the end of the ill or end of the body
For 'universal suffering', it seems beings will continue to be created forever, therefore continue to suffer forever, so it seems suffering is without end
So the only true end to suffering is wisdom - that nothing has ever existed, but this can be a nasty belief that causes more resistance/suffering rather than an honest realization, so another way is to suffer it fully, let the realization that suffeirng has no end burn you to nothing.
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: The Chronic]
#15822229 - 02/17/12 07:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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For 'universal suffering', it seems beings will continue to be created forever, therefore continue to suffer forever, so it seems suffering is without end
Bingo!  
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: Icelander]
#15822639 - 02/17/12 11:27 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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For 'universal suffering', it seems beings will continue to be created forever, therefore continue to suffer forever, so it seems suffering is without end
Bingo!
I don't believe that because linear time is an illusion of space time. Everything that has been or will be created (from our linear perspective) is already created, in this very moment. Therefore, I see the Universe, with all it's interconnected beings, evolving away from suffering. I think we're all in it together in a literal sense.
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
    
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15822648 - 02/17/12 11:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I'd like to view life from your perspective. Must be neat. 
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: pyrate999]
#15822651 - 02/17/12 11:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Life is pretty sweet at times. There's room for you too. 
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15822659 - 02/17/12 11:37 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Eh, no room for me yet, ego's still too big. 
Workin on it though. 
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#15822700 - 02/17/12 11:51 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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c0sm0nautt said:
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Icelander said:
For 'universal suffering', it seems beings will continue to be created forever, therefore continue to suffer forever, so it seems suffering is without end
Bingo!
I don't believe that because linear time is an illusion of space time. Everything that has been or will be created (from our linear perspective) is already created, in this very moment. Therefore, I see the Universe, with all it's interconnected beings, evolving away from suffering. I think we're all in it together in a literal sense.
Whatever helps you sleep cozy. 
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: pyrate999]
#15826251 - 02/18/12 02:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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pyrate999 said:
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Kickle said:
For instance today I ran into more nice people than usual. Everyone (and I mean everyone) was considerate, warm, and full of joy. A few times I must have been just smiling because people would look at me and just start smiling back almost as if wondering why I was smiling with no visible reason to be. But all the same I got bubbles of suffering. On the whole the day consisted of a radiant joy. But lingering in the shadows, suffering.
My day went the same way all the way down to the suffering. It was quite a trip.
I'm glad to find this was posted in S&M. So a question I've asked myself and have for you...
Do you think making changes in the way you view and approach life alters the outcome of events in you life?
I don't think so, our freewill is that we can perceive the world anyway we want and act accordingly but the same events still would've happened.
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: Galidor4]
#15826597 - 02/18/12 05:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Hang on for a little while longer and I will prescribe you the recipe for absolute happiness.
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tribesman
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: 666 Sun]
#15826762 - 02/18/12 08:08 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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HUBRIS ~ A mound of sticks, stones and earthly matter, Surrounding you, a breath of hubris, so pungent – inflammable.
Down to earth you have never been, you never willed. You were no sanyasi. You were thrown in to the sea.
by St.Fallen
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: Galidor4]
#15826848 - 02/18/12 09:21 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said:
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pyrate999 said:
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Kickle said:
For instance today I ran into more nice people than usual. Everyone (and I mean everyone) was considerate, warm, and full of joy. A few times I must have been just smiling because people would look at me and just start smiling back almost as if wondering why I was smiling with no visible reason to be. But all the same I got bubbles of suffering. On the whole the day consisted of a radiant joy. But lingering in the shadows, suffering.
My day went the same way all the way down to the suffering. It was quite a trip.
I'm glad to find this was posted in S&M. So a question I've asked myself and have for you...
Do you think making changes in the way you view and approach life alters the outcome of events in you life?
I don't think so, our freewill is that we can perceive the world anyway we want and act accordingly but the same events still would've happened.
I'd like to see this "free will rule book" you speak of.
Sometimes I feel like I'm set in the predestined line through time that follows my life in a certain order of events that will affect me in a certain way to get me to think certain thoughts that eventually lead to a certain resolved outcome at the end of my life, all experienced with illusion of free will, among other things, to keep me playing along.
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Galidor4
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: pyrate999]
#15827125 - 02/18/12 11:44 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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pyrate999 said:
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Galidor4 said:
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pyrate999 said:
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Kickle said:
For instance today I ran into more nice people than usual. Everyone (and I mean everyone) was considerate, warm, and full of joy. A few times I must have been just smiling because people would look at me and just start smiling back almost as if wondering why I was smiling with no visible reason to be. But all the same I got bubbles of suffering. On the whole the day consisted of a radiant joy. But lingering in the shadows, suffering.
My day went the same way all the way down to the suffering. It was quite a trip.
I'm glad to find this was posted in S&M. So a question I've asked myself and have for you...
Do you think making changes in the way you view and approach life alters the outcome of events in you life?
I don't think so, our freewill is that we can perceive the world anyway we want and act accordingly but the same events still would've happened.
I'd like to see this "free will rule book" you speak of.
Sometimes I feel like I'm set in the predestined line through time that follows my life in a certain order of events that will affect me in a certain way to get me to think certain thoughts that eventually lead to a certain resolved outcome at the end of my life, all experienced with illusion of free will, among other things, to keep me playing along.
First off, freewill rule book? no one said anything about a rule book. Two, this is from MY guidebook:
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Re: Does suffering really have an end? [Re: Galidor4]
#15827131 - 02/18/12 11:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Is there a set of those word pics? I found another one recently.
edit- Found em. http://www.mademyselfup.com
Edited by pyrate999 (02/18/12 11:51 AM)
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#15831984 - 02/19/12 02:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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It's a book, Remember, be here now by Ram Das
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