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 Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution!  [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15822800 - 02/17/12 12:27 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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"Look at the pins below. They're coming off the mycelium that's grown over the geolite. How much nutrient is there down there? I presume they're sucking it out of the cake but are seeking more hydration. Better mist more, I think."
mycelium doesn't grow to seek out water. its doing that because you lack fresh air exchange.
in proper conditions, your cake should not be growing anything except fruit bodies.
the spiderweb that looks like its overwhelmed all your cakes is a pretty obvious sign of this.
also, I think its ironic how the "poor man's pod" costs more money to assemble than a SGFC. this tek was created nearly 10 years ago when even the moderators here believed in a thing called "hydroponic shrooms" and it was nearly a knock-off of the $160 hydro-pod that people used to buy.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: Munchauzen]
#15822806 - 02/17/12 12:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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looking good
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: Munchauzen]
#15823852 - 02/17/12 05:31 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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mycelium doesn't grow to seek out water. its doing that because you lack fresh air exchange.
If I have a decent sized air pump and I fan regularly after each misting, what else can I do to provide FAE?
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15823879 - 02/17/12 05:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Nice pics man! Good luck in your future grows.
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I don't care for fishtank pumps personally they scare me the filter they use is mainly to keep most dust out so you could be pumping contams in to your grow with little to no real fae happening at the substrate level.
not to mention they tend to be set on the floor where all the contams get kicked up most.
I haven't seen a mycodome inyears but if there still as generic as they used to be id say go buy a clear tote 5-10 bucks and a bag of perlite 5 bucks and construct a SGFC.
tried and tested.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: bishlap]
#15823997 - 02/17/12 06:06 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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bishlap said:
I don't care for fishtank pumps personally they scare me the filter they use is mainly to keep most dust out so you could be pumping contams in to your grow with little to no real fae happening at the substrate level.
not to mention they tend to be set on the floor where all the contams get kicked up most.
I built my pump into a box with a filter from an industrial breathing mask that's designed to filter bacteria and spores, among other things.
I still fan, though. That has to be introducing way more contams than the filtered air from the pump.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15824040 - 02/17/12 06:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
rhizomonkey said:
Quote:
bishlap said:
I don't care for fishtank pumps personally they scare me the filter they use is mainly to keep most dust out so you could be pumping contams in to your grow with little to no real fae happening at the substrate level.
not to mention they tend to be set on the floor where all the contams get kicked up most.
I built my pump into a box with a filter from an industrial breathing mask that's designed to filter bacteria and spores, among other things.
I still fan, though. That has to be introducing way more contams than the filtered air from the pump.
the box idea sounds good but I had a grow fail from contam a while back a few days after installing one to my fc that I contributed to it. although it could have been some thing else I'm partial to tubs and a few holes with some polyfill seem to work better.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15830753 - 02/19/12 06:26 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I had to leave the grow unattended for a day. So, no misting, no fanning. For my trouble I've inherited some early opening caps(although to be honest my last grow had a few of them before kicking into gear), as well as what appear to be some very dark caps on some pins i.e. aborts. Hopefully the shock of a whole day without attention will be soon forgotten as I love them to death from now on.
Suggestions about early opening caps and aborts from the look of the images welcome.
And now, without further ado, pin porn for your pleasure.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15831814 - 02/19/12 01:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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this is another reason to switch FCs... nobody really uses pmp much anymore, so you will be lucky to get good advice about it.
with an sgfc you can set and forget it for up to a week, and it manages itself. sure, fan and mist if you can, but it really regulates itself beautifully when left alone.
sounds like the pmp is going to be high maintenance, if you think your fruits are hurting after one day of neglect. weigh your options, consider your time, and think about if you were to expand your operation, would this be a feasable system that you can keep up with?
When I first came here, I was running an automated tub with airpumps, and fans, and a bunch of useless crap someone sold me on Ebay. I had to swallow my pride a little bit, but RR pointed me in the right direction, and its paid dividends since. Use this site's collective hive-mind to your advantage. We have had 1000's of posters experiment, and after so long, the best stuff rises to the top, like good cream, and I'm just trying to show you what I have seen rise to the top.
keep your eye on the new posts in the forum, and see what seasoned growers are currently using. it'll be 99% monotubs and sgfc's.
just trying to help.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: Munchauzen]
#15831864 - 02/19/12 01:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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the top pic pin set looks like the veils are opened whats up w that
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: Munchauzen]
#15832975 - 02/19/12 06:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Munchauzen said:
keep your eye on the new posts in the forum, and see what seasoned growers are currently using. it'll be 99% monotubs and sgfc's.
Thanks for the advice. I wasn't too impressed with the performance of the PMP the first time I used it. This time I'm using it because it's there. I'm definitely looking for a different approach for next time. I'll do some research into SGFCs.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15833012 - 02/19/12 06:31 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: bishlap]
#15836310 - 02/20/12 06:47 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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lookin good man.
www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek
watch this ^
Yep. I've seen that video, and am going to make a shotgun terrarium for my next grow.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15836359 - 02/20/12 07:21 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, I've seen the feedback so far that tells me I should dump the PMP and build a SGFC. I'm gonna do that. But right now, I want to see if I can get some opinions on the current situation.
I'm seeing quite a few early veil breaks, but this isn't simply creating little mushrooms. They're all suffering from the same characteristic wavy, upturned caps. This also happened a little bit on my previous grow, which was under identical fruiting conditions. However the overwhelming bulk of the fruits from that grow were rather beautiful (my avatar is a photo I took from that grow).
The current grow was created from spores taken from the last grow. Have a look at these pics and tell me what you see. I see mushrooms with upturned wavy caps that are continuing to grow after their veils break. The resulting caps are quite distorted. Most are quite small but one is rather large. I also see hardly any spores, and no evidence of spores being dropped. Am I looking at genetic mutants or is this happpening strictly due to fruiting conditions that aren't optimal?
Edited by rhizomonkey (02/20/12 07:27 AM)
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15836564 - 02/20/12 09:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Am I looking at genetic mutants or is this happpening strictly due to fruiting conditions that aren't optimal?
i think it's a moisture issue.
too much of it.
more fresh air, less misting.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: k00laid]
#15836624 - 02/20/12 09:56 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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i got similar mutations after using oust in the region around the SGFC
they weren't that small though, so I think the size thing is a different matter from the mutations...
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: k00laid]
#15841314 - 02/21/12 07:42 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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k00laid said:
i think it's a moisture issue.
too much of it.
more fresh air, less misting.
Okay, I'll reduce my misting to twice a day and fan half a dozen times.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: keeno] 1
#15841322 - 02/21/12 07:45 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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i got similar mutations after using oust in the region around the SGFC
Interesting. I used an aerosol disinfectant too. I can't recall if I wiped the inside walls of the FC with it, though. I would normally use alcohol wipes, but I'd run out. I wonder if this has anything to do with it.
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15841329 - 02/21/12 07:49 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It's cheaper to buy a bottle of alcohol and use paper towels. Use 70% Alc though, so it doesn't dry up too quickly (as opposed to 90%).
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Re: Pins! They come! In high resolution! Now with fruits of sorts! [Re: rhizomonkey]
#15841344 - 02/21/12 07:58 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Well I've got fruits of all sizes happening randomly across all my cakes. There seems to be quite a lot of open veils on small fruits. There's also some suspiciously dark looking pins that don't seem to have done much growing in the last day or so. But overall there seems to be quite a lot of pins and they're all progressing to what appears to be the same sized fruits I got from my last grow. Here's a bunch of photos of the progress, as promised. Comments welcome.
I harvested the cluster containing the big one in this shot. 13.5 grams wet. Still plenty more to come from this cake, though.
This sort of thing seems to be quite common to this and my previous grow. A bunch of pins buried in the top verm casing, which has been frequently soaked since birthing the cakes. I expect these to fruit nicely within a day or two.
Some growth near the top edge of a cake. Also a common occurrence.
And some slightly more advanced growth neat the top edge. I think these ones will look nice by morning.
Here's a similar cluster from another cake. I expect these to be about as big as the fruits get from this flush. We'll see tomorrow how big that is.
I basically have two types of fruits right now. The ready ones on the left and the dark and mysterious ones on the right. It remains to be seen if the ones on the right get on with it soon or just fester and abort.
I'm gonna harvest these from the lower edge of the cake soon. I lifted the cake and found massive growth underneath it. What does that tell me about FC conditions?
Here's a nice bunch of pins that so far appear to be behaving themselves.
It remains to be seen if the pins above progress to nice looking fruits or if go all wavy like this one. It's a Venus Vermiculite Trap.
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