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 Re: why is buddhism good?  [Re: Kickle]
#15811472 - 02/15/12 02:04 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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He then determined that it is possible to let go of this existence
you seem to believe this is true... it may be true but i see a lot of problems with it. to what extent we can actually let go of our existence is debatable.
I had just taken a social psychology course the year prior and learned about the concept of self-deception and it's correlation to our mental well-being. The idea that in order to be mentally sound we need to deceive ourselves was quite the strike to my sense of what had been happening all along.
this is why i'm skeptical of buddhism. it would be very easy to deceive yourself using buddhist dogma. as you can probably tell i'm a bit ambivalent about these practices. thanks for the insights kickle and white beard.
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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.
cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.
dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.
White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.
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Re: why is buddhism good? [Re: Kickle]
#15811478 - 02/15/12 02:06 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck Buddha.
Kidding, if I see him on the path I'll lean in and give him a big kiss on the cheek.
Then a hand job.
Kidding again, I don't like fat guys. Or, wait, that's Confucius. The Indian Shakyamuni was skinny. Amitābha has stretched ears, and God knows I love me some hipster ears in the Pure Land.
I made love with myself under the Bodhi tree, and all I got was this t shirt.
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blingbling
what you chicken stew?
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Fuck Buddha.
i think buddha would agree.
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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.
cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.
dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.
White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.
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Re: why is buddhism good? [Re: blingbling]
#15811538 - 02/15/12 02:25 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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"you seem to believe this is true... it may be true but i see a lot of problems with it. to what extent we can actually let go of our existence is debatable."
Well, it's no easy task. It's probably the hardest thing to do. A lot of fear and resistance comes up and has to be faced (IME). I've had sober experiences where I have let go, to an extent, and I feel these bonds can kept getting loosened. Small steps is required I think. It is debatable for sure, but the point of all this isn't to try to prove this scientifically, it's more about personal exploration. I have no desire to prove any of my experiences to anyone else because I know they were genuine for me, and at the end of the day my own personal experiences are what's true for me and not someone else.
"this is why i'm skeptical of buddhism. it would be very easy to deceive yourself using buddhist dogma."
I agree. That's why Buddhism can only take you so far then you sort of just have to jump into the unknown and leave Buddhism behind.
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Re: why is buddhism good? [Re: blingbling]
#15811565 - 02/15/12 02:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I want to take a brief moment to say that I severely distrust individuals who refer to themselves as "The Great" or "The Enlightened" or "The Venerable".
I can't possibly see a true and genuine practitioner, let alone an advanced adherent of such a school of thought bestowing themselves with, or answering to such inflated titles of reference.
It seems anathema to what true practice is.
How do you all feel about this? This is one of my favorite principles of Quakerism. No respect for persons. It pays homage to the illusion and is regressive imo.
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Re: why is buddhism good? [Re: blingbling]
#15811568 - 02/15/12 02:34 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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blingbling said:
Fuck Buddha.
i think buddha would agree.
Go tell that to the temples and the monkeys in robes.
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How do you all feel about this?
Yea, 'venerable' titles are silly preservations of status.
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it reminds me of various modern "knights" in england.
ive tried to read 'process and reality' by alfred north whitehead several times, i always get lost around the same place. one day i'll tough it out and tackle that beast. but here is an excellent quote relating how i feel about buddhism, especially for people like me who grew up primarily around christian doctrines
"almost any idea which jogs you out of your current abstractions may be better than nothing."
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A fresh way to approach a dull or dangerous thing
To do a dull thing with style is preferable to doing a dangerous thing without it
To do a dangerous thing with style is what I call art. ~Bukowski
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blingbling said:
Fuck Buddha.
i think buddha would agree.
Go tell that to the temples and the monkeys in robes.
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How do you all feel about this?
Yea, 'venerable' titles are silly preservations of status.
IMO I don't think there is anything wrong with tradition, rituals or titles. It seems like a total rejection of all that saying it is an obstacle is just as much delusion in believing that it brings benefit. Illusion is illusion. It's just something going on.
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Re: why is buddhism good? [Re: blingbling]
#15812213 - 02/15/12 08:20 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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i don't want to be an anything.
I'm sure your parents are painfully aware of this.
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Re: why is buddhism good? [Re: Icelander]
#15812229 - 02/15/12 08:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Haha my parents are for me. They're always getting upset with me because they claim I have no goals and aspirations in life. Apparently having as much fun as I can while working as little as possible isn't a legitimate life goal. 
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IMO I don't think there is anything wrong with tradition, rituals or titles. It seems like a total rejection of all that saying it is an obstacle is just as much delusion in believing that it brings benefit. Illusion is illusion. It's just something going on.
Nothing wrong with it. Everything under the sun is something going on, surely. But if that's the case there shouldn't be a holy distinction between delicious bacon and Tibetan temples.
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Haha my parents are for me. They're always getting upset with me because they claim I have no goals and aspirations in life. Apparently having as much fun as I can while working as little as possible isn't a legitimate life goal.
One of the most central facets of the game is that it is serious. You must suffer a bit like everyone else, or so most folks believe. And there is something to gain (it's a case of "to have or to be" as Markos put it). In "Platero & I" there is a chapter where the donkey occasionally does some work in harvesting the grapes so no one hates him, but then he silently moves away and goes back to admiring the trees.
People identify heavily with 'doing.'
Yet "it is no measure of good health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society." This doesn't mean we should disappear into apathy or asceticism, but it would be nice if people could identify with paths other than their own "A to B" mentality.
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"Nothing wrong with it. Everything under the sun is something going on, surely. But if that's the case there shouldn't be a holy distinction between delicious bacon and Tibetan temples."
They should make Tibetan bacon sculptures instead of butter sculptures. Then the monks get to eat a life size bacon version of Shakyamuni. That should teach them a thing or two about impermanence, non-attachment, and of course, the delicious properties of bacon. Too bad I'm a wegitarian. Perhaps a tofu sculpture would be neat.
"One of the most central facets of the game is that it is serious. You must suffer a bit like everyone else, or so most folks believe. And there is something to gain (it's a case of "to have or to be" as Markos put it). In "Platero & I" there is a chapter where the donkey occasionally does some work in harvesting the grapes so no one hates him, but then he silently moves away and goes back to admiring the trees.
People identify heavily with 'doing.'
Yet "it is no measure of good health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society." This doesn't mean we should disappear into apathy or asceticism, but it would be nice if people could identify with paths other than their own "A to B" mentality."
Yeah, I don't think I'm going to become an ascetic. I know I'll have to work some, but I see it as nothing more then a means for food on my table and a roof over my head. I think I'm going to check out that donkey book.
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Re: why is buddhism good? [Re: Humility]
#15812543 - 02/15/12 10:43 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Humility said:
I want to take a brief moment to say that I severely distrust individuals who refer to themselves as "The Great" or "The Enlightened" or "The Venerable".
I can't possibly see a true and genuine practitioner, let alone an advanced adherent of such a school of thought bestowing themselves with, or answering to such inflated titles of reference.
It seems anathema to what true practice is.
How do you all feel about this? This is one of my favorite principles of Quakerism. No respect for persons. It pays homage to the illusion and is regressive imo.
What illusion exactly? Are people an illusion and so not to be respected?
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Re: why is buddhism good? [Re: Kickle]
#15812637 - 02/15/12 11:09 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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They should make Tibetan bacon sculptures instead of butter sculptures. Then the monks get to eat a life size bacon version of Shakyamuni. That should teach them a thing or two about impermanence, non-attachment, and of course, the delicious properties of bacon. Too bad I'm a wegitarian. Perhaps a tofu sculpture would be neat.
I nominate you novice monk of the month.
You've been promoted to Venerable White Bread (staying in tune with our nutritional nirvana).
Instead of going begging for alms however, to commemorate your acknowledgment we will be delivering Doritos. Don't ask. Frito-Lay sponsored our new robes.
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Excellent. I better change my 'title' then. People have got to know I'm Venerable, god dammit!
btw, what does Venerable even mean?
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I think it means you generally speak and I listen.
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Okay, but first I'll have to recharge by meditating in a cave for 7 years. Need some new ideas of what to talk about. 
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Ah, the old Hollywood sequel trick.
In the mean time, I'll hire some secretaries to print your lectures and re-word the basic principles over and over again, in much the same way that literature endlessly cycles through Shakespeare, albeit with new faces.
Together we'll beat the dead horse and burn myrrh in your absence.
But Dear Leader, do please return.
Amen.
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