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Here we go AGAIN! * 3
    #15797621 - 02/12/12 03:25 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

This morning, my wife of 18 years woke me up saying she had to tell me something.  Shes been having an affair with her boss.  This morning he told his wife of 20 years the same.  She says she dont know what shes going to do, about her and him, or her and me... 

This has happened before, this will actually be the 3rd, or 4th time...

I told her I wanted her to stay.  I want her to call it off with him...  She says shes not happy here, that she feels like this home is her prison.  She says she needs to "find herself".  That she loves me, and cares about me, but she doesn't love me the way I love her. 

Shes been working with this guy for a year, she says the affair started over a month ago.

He has nowhere to go, neither does she.  Even if I tell her to leave, she will have nowhere to go.  She cant run to him because he lives with his wife, and HE has nowhere to go.

I do not want to give up on 18 years of my life.  More than that, I truly AM in love with her.  I always have been. 

I understand that she needs to do whatever she feels she needs to do...  I just hope that she makes the decision to stay and fix whatever it is that is making her unhappy.

We've been through this before, and still, I find myself not knowing what to do...  Im so hurt and confused right now.  I have noone to turn too except my father who tells me not to ask his advice since hes had 2 failed marriages...

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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa]
    #15797657 - 02/12/12 03:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Holy shit! Sorry man! Well I think first things first you gotta find out why your home is like a prison to her an see if there's a way to fix that and make up (if she's even open to that idea).

Did you think things were getting a little choppy with the relationship or was everything great in your eyes?


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa] * 7
    #15797671 - 02/12/12 03:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I hate to tell you this but you gotta move on. I know you love her and shit but if someone repeatedly cheats on you then they dont deserve you and all your going to get is hurt in the end. she says she needs to find herself fuck that you need to go and find someone better than that. Dont allow this to keep on happening or you will miss out on a much better women. One that won't cheat on you at all. From what your telling me she doesn't even sound that guilty about it. Love can have you on a lease and its tough to get it off. But once you do only posotive shits gonna happen. I feel for ya hope this advice helps.

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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15797681 - 02/12/12 03:36 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Holy shit! Sorry man! Well I think first things first you gotta find out why your home is like a prison to her an see if there's a way to fix that and make up (if she's even open to that idea).

Did you think things were getting a little choppy with the relationship or was everything great in your eyes?




as far as I knew things were ok, although for the last month I have felt that something was wrong... I just didnt know what...


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: mushies r sexy]
    #15797694 - 02/12/12 03:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I hate to tell you this but you gotta move on. I know you love her and shit but if someone repeatedly cheats on you then they dont deserve you and all your going to get is hurt in the end. she says she needs to find herself fuck that you need to go and find someone better than that. Dont allow this to keep on happening or you will miss out on a much better women. One that won't cheat on you at all. From what your telling me she doesn't even sound that guilty about it. Love can have you on a lease and its tough to get it off. But once you do only posotive shits gonna happen. I feel for ya hope this advice helps.

Good luck and try not to think about to much




Thats my problem... I dont want to move on...  We have built a life together.  We own our home, 2 cars, gots all bills and bank accounts in BOTH our names...  weve done it all together!  Loosing her is more than loosing her... its loosing everything!  All my hopes and dreams, they all go with her..


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15797711 - 02/12/12 03:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

If this is the ump-teenth time, it's time to move on.

I'm certain you love your wife but it doesn't seem as if she loves you.

This is a terrible situation, I hope you don't have any kids that would be put in the middle of this.

Whoever comes are the right people. Whatever happens is the only thing that could have happened. When ever it starts is the right time. When it's over, it's over.

My thoughts are with you.

You said you don't want to move on. Maybe you should reevaluate your thoughts on that.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15797764 - 02/12/12 03:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Holy shit! Sorry man! Well I think first things first you gotta find out why your home is like a prison to her an see if there's a way to fix that and make up (if she's even open to that idea).




This.

You gotta get to the root of the problem. If the house is a prison, find out why. Does she need to get out more? Does she feel moribund or stagnant?

Dude, no one who is faithful deserves to be cheated on. You know that. But I can understand you wanting to reconcile and stay together. That is a lot of time to be with someone to just throw it away.

So this has happened multiple times? Does she just want to get some strange ass now and then? Could you deal with that? Is it an option?

A lot of cheaters don't stop. It has something to do with the excitement or whatever feelings they get out of it. Does she come from a broken home or have a background that would suggest "daddy issues"? It's common in cheating women.

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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: yutaka]
    #15797771 - 02/12/12 03:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

We do have a 15 year old son.  I made her tell him...
He dont want to go anywhere, even if she does go...  at least thats what he told her.  His life is here...


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa]
    #15797812 - 02/12/12 04:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Shit dude see if she's open to marriage counselling.....


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa] * 1
    #15797908 - 02/12/12 04:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Have you tried marriage counseling?

I commend you for trying to work it out, especially after this will be the 3rd or 4th time of your wife’s unfaithfulness. From a brutally honest woman’s point of view, your wife has absolutely no respect for you or the marriage of 18 years you both have shared. I really recommend seeking outside professional help if you truly want to keep your marriage.

When you get right down to it, it seems like just a few things are the root of women infidelities:
revenge, if you have cheated in the past; you’ve stopped making her feel sexy/attractive/ wanted and others are supplying those needs; what she is attracted to in a man has changed, this is especially true in couples who marry young; lastly, there are types of women who will never be faithful, they’re the ones with histories of baggage and damage that they cling to and carry around their whole life, never looking to resolve the problems. The ones you’re warned, “you don’t put your dick in crazy”.

I don’t know the answers for you, and really, I don’t know if anyone on a forum could give you the answers to life. Personally, if I were in your shoes, with only the facts you have given on this post, I would move on. You keep letting her disrespect you like this and it will just be a continuous cycle. Separate, if divorce is too much. Get space between you two and see if it’s a relief, if it’s easier to breathe. It will give her a chance to get her head straight too. I wish you luck in whatever choice you make. Please, for your own dignity, don’t  let this slide. Don’t just let her apologize and pretend like nothing happen. She will resent you for it (as fucked up as that is) and she will more than likely do it again with no fear of consequences.

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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Mrs. Anon] * 1
    #15798040 - 02/12/12 04:40 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Wait. She's cheated the 3rd or 4th time... How many times has it actually been? She cheated on you with her boss of a year.
She doesn't know what she wants, she claims she loves you and when she has done wrong, she tries to excuse herself with "I feel imprisoned!". This isn't the first time either, is it, she continues the cheating! I think it's time to forget about the life you made together because she's taking the piss bro. A decent minded girlfriend would not do this to her boyfriend, never mind a wife to her husband of EIGHTEEN YEARS!!


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa] * 1
    #15798191 - 02/12/12 05:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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All my hopes and dreams, they all go with her..





This is absolutely not true. While I can certainly understand after 18 yrs,
its difficult to move on, but what you have been doing up to this point is NOT working.
Hence the 3 affairs she's had.
What makes you think the outcome will be different if you take her back AGAIN?

You can develop new goals and dreams of your own that don't include her, it is entirely possible.

The clue phone has been ringing for some time now...you just need to pick it up.

If you do decide to divorce her, it doesn't have to be catastrophic. Both use the same lawyer and figure stuff out.

That your son would like to stay with you kind of says alot...

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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15798384 - 02/12/12 05:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Shit dude see if she's open to marriage counselling.....



Agreed. Never thought I'd recommend that to anyone but sounds like you have a lot invested in this relationship.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: claraclairvoyant]
    #15798683 - 02/12/12 06:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Yah normally I would say fuck that bitch but you guys got 18 years an a kid that is a lot of history to just walk away from. But she may not even be interested in trying to solve this long time issue so I think that's the first thing to figure out.
:shrug: but if shes a bitch about the whole thing I would probably throw her out on her ass an stick it to her in court.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15799012 - 02/12/12 07:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

She cheated on him 3 or 4 times :awewtf:...I'm sorry marriage counselors aren't wizards. Sometimes its best to cut and run.:runaway:

And I'm the guy whose usually in here saying "don't let one night ruin a marriage.":bored:


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Rewindicus]
    #15799014 - 02/12/12 07:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Do you still have sex with her? Do you worry about STD's from her cheating? 

Sounds like the ultimate disrespectful situation, I can't believe you don't want to strangle the bitch, I guess everyone is different.

What example are you setting for your son?  Let your wife cheat on you and beg for her to stay with you, time to get real.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Rewindicus] * 2
    #15799016 - 02/12/12 07:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

she called me crying a few minutes ago.  Her boss said he is going to work it out with his wife of 20 years... 

She doesn't know what to do, and she cant figure out why I love her so much.  We didnt get to talk long (shes at work), but I gave her words of support, and reminded her of how Ive always been there for her in the past, no matter what it was.  Ive stood behind her for job changes, and for family loss.  Ive always forgiven any transgressions the way I believe you should. 

Everyone makes mistakes, and if your stupid you may make the same mistake more than once...

True love forgives, and does not hold it against you later. 
True Love is unconditional.  No matter what happens, True Love conquers all.  Now the question is....  Is SHE truly in love with me or not?  I want her to be, Because Im in love with her!

This may have been a fling that got out of hand...
Maybe there's a craving of excitement shes not getting at home...
Who knows..  But in my heart, I KNOW she loves me.


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    #15799026 - 02/12/12 07:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa]
    #15799255 - 02/12/12 08:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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she called me crying a few minutes ago.  Her boss said he is going to work it out with his wife of 20 years... 

She doesn't know what to do, and she cant figure out why I love her so much.  We didnt get to talk long (shes at work), but I gave her words of support, and reminded her of how Ive always been there for her in the past, no matter what it was.  Ive stood behind her for job changes, and for family loss.  Ive always forgiven any transgressions the way I believe you should. 

Everyone makes mistakes, and if your stupid you may make the same mistake more than once...

True love forgives, and does not hold it against you later. 
True Love is unconditional.  No matter what happens, True Love conquers all.  Now the question is....  Is SHE truly in love with me or not?  I want her to be, Because Im in love with her!

This may have been a fling that got out of hand...
Maybe there's a craving of excitement shes not getting at home...
Who knows..  But in my heart, I KNOW she loves me.




Right on, man.  Don't let the people in here discourage you with their cynical bullshit.  Things have a way of working themselves out for those who persevere.

Love and sex don't necessarily go hand in hand together, and even if it is killing you inside, you have to respect your wife's needs and desires, no matter how selfish and fucked up they may seem. 

People don't just do shit like this for no reason - get to the bottom of it and see if it is something that can be resolved civilly, because what's most important here is not the already tainted sanctity of your marriage, but the health and happiness of your child.



“A man provides.  And he does it even when he’s not appreciated, or respected, or even loved.  He simply bears up, and he does it.  Because he’s a man.”



That aside, I recommend you check out this book called "The Mastery of Love" by Don Miguel Ruiz.  It helped me figure out how to deal with everything when I felt like I was suffocating under the pressures of life.

Here's the book on tape version of it on youtube:

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Good luck man, I hope everything works out for you.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: shimishimiman]
    #15799550 - 02/12/12 09:18 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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shimishimiman said:what's most important here is not the already tainted sanctity of your marriage, but the health and happiness of your child.




Staying together is not necessarily the best thing for the boy.


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    #15799641 - 02/12/12 09:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I never said they need to stay together.  All I meant to say is that whatever decision is made, it has to be in the best interest of their son.


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    #15799896 - 02/12/12 10:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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greysRDbest said:
:facepalm:




Yeah agreed. This dude is dense and in denial.

She doesn't love him nor respect him anymore. Lies, cheats, etc. I don't understand why this dude is even in love with her. Really. And the fact that he built his whole life around this women baffles me.

"I know in my heart she loves me......" really, which is why she has had more than 4+ flings on you, has constantly attracted attention from ELSEWHERE and not from you. Right. She isn't using you as a pillow for herself or anything, she loves you whole heartedly.

I'm so glad I aint a sucker. Man, if a girl cheats on you that should be the end of the story. That shows a complete lack of respect. If she wants to be with someone else, fine, she should of broke up with you and not tagged you along.

My guess is that you begged her to stay with you or something.

Really man. You need to wake up and realize that the meaning of life isn't growing old with a woman and living happily ever after, thats bullshit, your whole life dreams shouldn't be revolved around a woman, especially one that fucks you over. I hope you can sum up some self respect and dump the damn bitch already.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Uzziel] * 1
    #15800382 - 02/13/12 12:06 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I'm all for forgiving  and forgetting, but there's a limit.

After 3-4 times...she's not going to stay faithful. 1 time is a mistake...2 times maybe. 3 -4 times? , that's a middle finger to the face.

Yes life would be easier if we could choose who we love-- but there's the rub, right?
Just because you are madly in love with someone, doesn't mean they are right/healthy for you. You can still be in love with them, just don't be in a relationship, or live with them. Plain and simple.

The kid is 15, not 5. While its not ideal to raise him as a single parent, its 3 years till he graduates highschool. This is of little or no consequence at this point in time.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: shimishimiman] * 1
    #15801246 - 02/13/12 02:52 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I never said they need to stay together.  All I meant to say is that whatever decision is made, it has to be in the best interest of their son.



Oh he's practically a man for christ's sake. And what's going to be better for the son, to watch his dad absolutely disrespect himself and his manhood yet again or to finally set a boundary and honor his own well being and principles, which is probably one of the big reasons his "wife"(lol) doesn't respect him in the least - because he doesn't ever lay down the law. He just lets her make one "mistake" after the next and it's almost as if the offender endears herself to him more and more each time.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: greys]
    #15801249 - 02/13/12 02:52 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I doubt any man with a strong desire for a women, would ever feel alright with her getting sexual satisfaction from other men.

Envy and lust, go hand in hand.

So are you gay or just really don't desire/lust for your wife anymore because she hurt you in the past???

Sorry bud, but you got some fucking issues to deal with.

The problem isn't the marriage its probably that your out of touch with your desires.

You sound like a passive-aggressive house mom thats never explored her sexuality or constantly puts themselves before others due to some pretty wacked out spiritual beliefs...

As for advice, use that bitch until there is no tommorow. Then when you can go on your own financially, take your kid and bounce the fuck off that shitty basketball court of a relationship. Then laugh your way to the bank....

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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: AlphaFalfa] * 1
    #15801470 - 02/13/12 04:15 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Any grown ass man who would react as you have to this deserves what they get.

You deserve *everything* you get.


You should be fucking ASHAMED of yourself for providing such an example for your kid.

This is not you being merciful or understanding, it's you allowing yourself and your family to be abused.

Somebody needs to step the fuck up here, if for no one but the kid.  Hopefully that kid grows up well and soon by his own merits.


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    #15801483 - 02/13/12 04:25 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Btw I recommend you tell that nasty ass cunt to dig into her purse; pull out 10% of what she grosses in a year and deposit it into an account that you or the kid owns but that she is not involved in at all.  Personally I'd make this the new end of the year rule.  When the IRS gets their cut, you get yours.

Next, she needs to apologize, formally.  This means naked, with your cock in her ass while she's bound to the bed with a ballgag in her mouth.  Rip her ass to shreds.  Cum directly on her eyelids and force her to go to bed without wiping it off.

Finally, she's your whore-bitch for the next month.  Take photos and/or vids of her sucking cock (YOUR cock, in case you didn't get that) and taking it in the ass while apologizing for her sins.

Send this tape to her parents or siblings.





Put that fucking bitch in her place man.

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Of course we both know you're not only going to fail to do any of the above, but you're incapable of doing anything that might work.  Good luck with your wife getting railed and sucking dick all the way to Chinatown.




Alternatively, you could just go for the gusto and be you and buy her a reasonably-sized strap-on.  Say 8 inches?  Let her fuck you in the ass a few times a week.  Your consolidation of the current situation by actually reversing your sexual roles may restore balance to the force.




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    #15801573 - 02/13/12 05:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Of course we both know you're not only going to fail to do any of the above, but you're incapable of doing anything that might work.  Good luck with your wife getting railed and sucking dick all the way to Chinatown.

Alternatively, you could just go for the gusto and be you and buy her a reasonably-sized strap-on.  Say 8 inches?  Let her fuck you in the ass a few times a week.  Your consolidation of the current situation by actually reversing your sexual roles may restore balance to the force.


:willfred:




yeah man you suck if you stay, unless you become her pimp and get all the money she gets from her johns.

just throw the bitch out to the cold street doesnt matter how hot she is.


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    #15802058 - 02/13/12 10:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Don't take my advice but if you want to find out if she really loves you try screwing another chick. And if she stays then maybe she does love you. Just don't allow yourself to stay passive, she will keep on doing it.


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    #15802102 - 02/13/12 11:08 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

That sucks OP, I'd get a couple chicks to screw and do that for a while. It could give you a better perspective on the situation. I've seen time and again that with women the worst thing you can do is try to give them everything, I'm not sure as to the reason why, but if they dont have to work for it they will stop wanting it.


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    #15802268 - 02/13/12 12:10 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

This thread is disgusting.
Do people really fall this far by their own will?


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    #15802337 - 02/13/12 12:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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This thread is disgusting.
Do people really fall this far by their own will?




Who said anything about will? OP may decide to muster up the will to do something about this situation, but when it's not there it's not there.  This is his wife of 18 years.  It takes more than a little willpower to end something like that.

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    #15802402 - 02/13/12 12:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Sorry OP, but you have to take some responsibility in this.

You can't even keep track of how many times your wife has cheated on you? (3 or 4?). 

What incentive does she have to NOT cheat?  It's obviously of no consequence to her.  Life others have said, this is pretty pathetic.  I truly feel for you, but you should have left the second time around.  You should be blaming yourself.


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    #15802472 - 02/13/12 01:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Judging by the comments here, you’re obviously getting advice from people that aren’t even as old as your Marriage.

What concerns me isn’t the cheating; it’s the fact that she doesn’t know who to choose.  That is unnerving..  If this has happened repeatedly, behind your back, than there is obviously something wrong with the communication and openness in the relationship. 

She feels like her home is her prison, and she has the desire to find herself..  Is this something that you are nurturing?  Obviously, this isn’t a cut and dry subject; her feeling the need to find herself may not have anything to do with having sex with other people.  This behavior may just be the only option that presents itself to her on a regular basis to feel some form of escape.

Through counseling, and self-reflection on your part (as an individual), and her part (as an individual) you both can hone in on what you are seeking and what behavior is just a side effect of the situation.  You can learn to be open and nurturing to her desire to find herself, and she may be able to go off and do that without disrespecting you. 

I would really be surprised if having sex with her boss is helping her “find herself”.  In fact, it seems that is a bit contradictory to what she really wants.  With counseling and self-reflation, she can hone in on what she really needs right now, and once that happens, the two of you can see if it is something that you are open to.  If so, you may be able to find common ground and compromise in a way that allows her not to feel trapped in her own life.

One more thing, 15yr olds have enough trouble coping with everything going on in their own life..  I don’t think you should drag your son into your marital problems any more than you already have.  This is between you and your wife, and frankly, if your wife is sleeping with her boss than it’s none of your sons business.  Make sure you aren’t using your son as a tool to make your wife feel guilty, suddenly the walls of her prison will close in a little bit more.  Your objective is to tear down this prison in her mind that both of you have created.


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    #15802498 - 02/13/12 01:28 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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The kid is 15, not 5. While its not ideal to raise him as a single parent, its 3 years till he graduates highschool. This is of little or no consequence at this point in time.




That is absolutely not true; divorce can send a teen of this age into a horrible downward spiral.  It’s much easier for a child to cope before they have the awareness to blame themselves and before they are old enough to start acting out of their own depression by cutting, suicide, drugs or whatever.  I’ve seen kids ripped in half and take the full burden upon themselves in situations like this.  Not everyone, but some absolutely do.  A 15yr old is not an adult, they are extremely impressionable and it’s  a time in a kid’s life when a parents support can have the biggest effect on their future.  Remember, he’s 15, he’s old enough to really fuck his life up, but not mature enough to realize it..

It is only three years, but it can be a harrowing three years to boot.  And you don’t suddenly have a moment of clarity at 18.  Habits formed now can shape his future.


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    #15806534 - 02/14/12 02:43 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

This relationship is non-extant and anyone thinking the OP can "save it" doesn't understand the first thing about love and life.

This woman doesn't want to be with him because he acts like he has no fucking value whatsoever.  How in the fuck is he going to "go out and fuck several people"?  Does it REALLY seem like THIS GUY is that THAT GUY?  FUCK NO!  His wife is sucking other men's cocks and then coming home and kissing him and his kid on the face (and if not she might as well be).

Behaving like you and your feelings aren't worth a fucking thing results in people treating you like that.  You're going to let some whore cheat on you and then beg her to stay with you?  THAT'S THE REASON SHE DOESN"T WANT HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE.  Lord knows, if either one of them (her or her boss) has had any anti-reproductive surgeries they are probably fucking raw, some other guy busting raw nuts inside of his wife for a month straight.



She is fucking *done* with this marriage.  I guarantee it.  NO ONE is going to change THAT dramatically after 18 years of marriage.  She KNOWS what he is and what he's capable of and she wants NOTHING more to do with it.  Her life with him is "like a prison".  How much fucking clear could a person be?





Kids, marriage, house, time together; all of that shit doesn't mean *shit*.  I assure you of this.  Trying to hold on to this is LITERALLY like trying to hold on to the body after death.  Why?  Because you lived in it for 50 or 80 years? 

Get a fucking grip people, that ship sailed LONG ago.  This relationship is fucking OVER and every second he lets that nasty, trifling, lying, conniving, immature, irresponsible, whore of a bitch reside in his home he does himself, his family, and "HIS" wife a disservice.

I guarantee this bitch wouldn't want to be "with him" even if the relationship were poly amorous.  I bet my bottom dollar she wishes she either

a) never met the guy

b) never got married to the guy

or

c)at LEAST didn't spend so long in making this decision as she did.






I mean REALLY, what kind of self-respecting motherfucker would let some shit like this go down?  Not-a-one.


iVoodoo is right.  This shit is disgusting.  All of these people clamoring about marriage and how "important" it is and how he can "try to make it work".  You motherfuckers have LOST it.

Your wives too are probably sucking cocks as we speak.


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    #15806567 - 02/14/12 02:58 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

OP - You need to listen to this OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN and SOAK UP SOME GAME.








"I'm not for play, no day.  Mean every mothafuckin' word that I say."


Your woman disrespects you because you disrespect yourself.  In disrespecting yourself you disrespect her and the relationship you two share.

Don't get me wrong here.  I'm not saying you need to beat this woman.  You DO however need to put this BITCH in her place if there is to be any hope of anything (you two do still have kids together).



You're fulfilling the role of "I could teach you 30 times how to pimp you a ho, teach you 30 more and you STILL won't know!!"


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    #15806578 - 02/14/12 03:05 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I don’t think you should drag your son into your marital problems any more than you already have.  This is between you and your wife, and frankly, if your wife is sleeping with her boss than it’s none of your sons business.




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    #15807208 - 02/14/12 09:41 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Ive made a decision.  I "manned up" last night and told her this all pisses me off and I will not tolerate it.

I do love her, and of course I tried to make her remember the good times.  But in the end, she still wants him.  I told her that I can not deal with her being with him and coming home here.  She was like "you said you'd let me explor these feelings"  which I did, but I also said for a few days so maybe she would get her head on straight.

I am willing to forgive.  But I refuse to be rolled over again.  So for starts, this morning I took her off my online banking.  I know thats not much, but at least she dont have online access to any of the funds.  Im waiting to talk to "HIS" wife to see whats really going on there, but I plan on canceling her phone service which is in my name, cutting off all the checks and debit cards that she still has which are in my name, and when she DOES come home tonight Im laying it out on the line.

I want her to pack her bags and go.  I dont know where she can go, but if she wants to be with him so bad then go.  I cant do this anymore.  We are both on the house deed, but its not paid for, so I dont know how that works. 

Another thing... last night she said something about being so miserable she was ready to take her gun and blow her brains out.  Now, I dont think she would do this, but then again, she is mentally unstable at the moment.  Should I take out an "Order of Protection" against her because of this?  She may be a danger to me and my son although Im prety sure she wouldn't hurt him.

Today is Valentines Day, so Happy Fucking Valentines Day!  Its one we will NEVER forget!

Im hurt, Im mad, and Ive come to the conclusion that I have to protect my own interests.  You guys are right, how can I truly love someone if I dont even love myself?  Well, its time for me to look after me.

Some of your words were pretty harsh, but I understand.  And although the wording was harsh and uncontrolled, I do get what your saying. 

I AM open to counsel, but I dont think she is.  I DO want things to work out, but I dont think she does.  She doesn't know what she wants, and I think she needs to go find out.


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    #15807214 - 02/14/12 09:44 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

:kaneclap:  Way to go! :yesnod:


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    #15807232 - 02/14/12 09:52 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

congrats im glad for ya and hope you don't ever allow this kind of bullshit to happen to you again. Best of luck.


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    #15807259 - 02/14/12 10:02 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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I hate to tell you this but you gotta move on. I know you love her and shit but if someone repeatedly cheats on you then they dont deserve you and all your going to get is hurt in the end. she says she needs to find herself fuck that you need to go and find someone better than that. Dont allow this to keep on happening or you will miss out on a much better women. One that won't cheat on you at all. From what your telling me she doesn't even sound that guilty about it. Love can have you on a lease and its tough to get it off. But once you do only posotive shits gonna happen. I feel for ya hope this advice helps.

Good luck and try not to think about to much




Thats my problem... I dont want to move on...  We have built a life together.  We own our home, 2 cars, gots all bills and bank accounts in BOTH our names...  weve done it all together!  Loosing her is more than loosing her... its loosing everything!  All my hopes and dreams, they all go with her..



You need to realise that what may seem as a wonderful life you have built up, is really a hollow facade. Loss is always difficult, but here it has already ocurred. Start dealing with it.


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    #15807396 - 02/14/12 11:03 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Another thing... last night she said something about being so miserable she was ready to take her gun and blow her brains out.  Now, I dont think she would do this, but then again, she is mentally unstable at the moment.




That's abusive whether you realize it or not.

I'm glad to see you put your foot down man. It's a bad time for all this to happen but that was out of your hands and I'm glad to see you took control of a situation you didn't ask for.

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    #15807401 - 02/14/12 11:07 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Another thing... last night she said something about being so miserable she was ready to take her gun and blow her brains out.  Now, I dont think she would do this, but then again, she is mentally unstable at the moment.




That's abusive whether you realize it or not.

I'm glad to see you put your foot down man. It's a bad time for all this to happen but that was out of your hands and I'm glad to see you took control of a situation you didn't ask for.

Good luck man!




In the past when girlfriends of mine have made statements like that I had them committed to a psyche facility. 72 hour involuntary hold. Twice. Two separate occasions but she was suicidal and I got her help.

It is abusive and you should not put up with that. If you think she's a danger to herself or others it's your duty to act and seek help for her.


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    #15808220 - 02/14/12 03:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

On my way to work this morning, I called my cellular carrier and cut off her phone.  I logged into our bank and changed all the user names and passwords AND secret questions.  In order to take her out of the account altogether, I have to close the account and open another one, which I would have done except Im waiting on tax money via direct deposit.  But at least she no longer has online access.  There's not really any money in there atm anyways lol.

I also had a very interesting conversation with HIS wife!!!  It took a little work to dig her up and get her number, but Im techy like that...  Me and her both agreed that if they wanted to be together, then they need to go be together, but we wasn't going to make it easy on them.  Everything THEY own is in HER name...  Plus I learned how irresponsible HE is, and about all the baggage he carries with him.  It was a very informative phone call for BOTH of us.

After an hour or so my phone rang with an unfamiliar but local number.  I did not answer.  She called my work, I told them to tell her that I wasn't there.  After calling and talking to her Father, (who agrees with me over his own daughter!) I was worried about the gun she carries.  So I left work early, hoping to catch her when she came in and get the gun from her.  She called again from that unknown local number on my way home.  This time I answered.

She now says that she wants to come home and work on our relationship.  That its passion that she misses, and she got that from him.  She says if I could give her the passion she wanted this wouldn't have happened in the first place.  But she swears that it is over with him and she wants to be with me. 

I am VERY skeptical...  I dont know if I can trust her, let alone believe her.  She called again, again asking for her phone to be cut back on.  Swearing that she is serious and means it.  Shes very hurt and confused and her head is in a million different places right now.  Shes worried about loosing her job, and realizes that shes not ready to throw it all away after all.  I told her that if she really means it.  I would let her come back and we would work on it.  Im not sure whats going to happen.  But I DID man up to her, in action and in words.  To my surprise I think she liked it.

We will see what happens.  I am willing to try, but Im tired of being a pussy.  You guys are right and I wish it didnt take all this heart-ache to show me how Ive been living.  Im 40 years old for christs sake! 

I told her straight up too, if she sees or talks to him again, which she probably will sometime today...  that she is to tell him its over, shes made her decision, and that she can not be in touch with him at all anymore.  If I find out otherwise, shes out.

If shes truly sincere, and just needed to get it all out of her system before she could think straight, then Im willing to go on living with her, and loving her, but at the same time, Its time for me to step up in this family, and be a leader, and not put up with any more bullshit from her, or my son, or anyone else.  Im not there owners, they are not my property, but I am the man of this house.  And thats just the way it is.


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    #15808412 - 02/14/12 04:21 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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"She now says that she wants to come home and work on our relationship.  That its passion that she misses, and she got that from him.  She says if I could give her the passion she wanted this wouldn't have happened in the first place.  But she swears that it is over with him and she wants to be with me."





of course she would say that, he rebuked her and went back to his wife, you have had enough of her shit and have taken action. This is unfamiliar territory for her, she is used to "having her cake and getting away with chainsaw murders while she eats it."

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    #15808438 - 02/14/12 04:26 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Every move you have made up until this point has been wise.  As you can see, things are now working in your favor.

I am sure you now know how to deal with the situation if it gets out of hand again.  Honestly, I wouldn't trust your wife; obviously she didn't think you had the stones to throw her out.  But at least you are giving her a chance.  Just make sure you keep her in line.  I think that's all she ever wanted anyway.

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    #15808549 - 02/14/12 04:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

at first i was like :huxleyfacepalm:

but then i was like  :youdidit:

and then he acted like a man
so i thought
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    #15808666 - 02/14/12 05:23 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Ive made a decision.  I "manned up" last night and told her this all pisses me off and I will not tolerate it.

I do love her, and of course I tried to make her remember the good times.  But in the end, she still wants him.  I told her that I can not deal with her being with him and coming home here.  She was like "you said you'd let me explor these feelings"  which I did, but I also said for a few days so maybe she would get her head on straight.

I am willing to forgive.  But I refuse to be rolled over again.  So for starts, this morning I took her off my online banking.  I know thats not much, but at least she dont have online access to any of the funds.  Im waiting to talk to "HIS" wife to see whats really going on there, but I plan on canceling her phone service which is in my name, cutting off all the checks and debit cards that she still has which are in my name, and when she DOES come home tonight Im laying it out on the line.

I want her to pack her bags and go.  I dont know where she can go, but if she wants to be with him so bad then go.  I cant do this anymore.  We are both on the house deed, but its not paid for, so I dont know how that works. 

Another thing... last night she said something about being so miserable she was ready to take her gun and blow her brains out.  Now, I dont think she would do this, but then again, she is mentally unstable at the moment.  Should I take out an "Order of Protection" against her because of this?  She may be a danger to me and my son although Im prety sure she wouldn't hurt him.

Today is Valentines Day, so Happy Fucking Valentines Day!  Its one we will NEVER forget!

Im hurt, Im mad, and Ive come to the conclusion that I have to protect my own interests.  You guys are right, how can I truly love someone if I dont even love myself?  Well, its time for me to look after me.

Some of your words were pretty harsh, but I understand.  And although the wording was harsh and uncontrolled, I do get what your saying. 

I AM open to counsel, but I dont think she is.  I DO want things to work out, but I dont think she does.  She doesn't know what she wants, and I think she needs to go find out.










It may not seem like it but I love you.  I mean that.  It hurts me to see you type what you have because I used to be you and what's happened to you is wrong.  Sorry about permitting my sadness to manifest as anger.

Now don't just say it - do it.  Put your money where your cock is.

Also, my apologies for being "harsh".  I didn't meant to direct that necessarily at YOU but you DO need to understand that whore of a gash you call a "wife" is FAR beyond saving.

The fact that she carries around a gun is MORE than enough reason to get a protective order against yourself and the house given her statements.  TRUST ME ON THIS BRAH.  If she violates it, do whatever you feel is necessary.

You wanna wake up with your brains blown out?  What if she murders your son?  The possibility is slim, possibly non-extant, but anyone talking about killing themselves is a potential risk to themselves and others, especially when her selfish nature has been shown.  If she'll ruin your family she'll take your life.

That bitch doesn't give a fuck about you.  I'm sincerely glad to see you are beginning to care about yourself.




I just read your most recent post and I don't even know what to say.  Like I said, anyone permitting others to abuse them like that deserves exactly what they get.  No child or adolescent deserves to go through this shit though.  It's a god damned shame but it'll be what it is.

I'll say it one last time: I'm younger than 25 and I'm telling you TO YOUR FACE that this is going to blow up and that SOMEONE may potentially DIE over this dumbass shit.  How can I know this and you not?  Good luck with whatever ya'll wind up doing.




Yutaka - In my opinion, having someone committed involuntarily against their will is one of the worst things you can do to someone you claim to "love".  In my opinion, that kind of behavior makes one no better than the pigs that lock people up because they feel it's "justified" to do so.

NO ONE has the right to tell ANYONE ELSE what to do with their body and SHAME ON ANYONE that negatively involves the armed tyrants calling themselves "government" in the lives of others, especially "loved ones".

One's duty is to mind one's fucking business and let people live their lives.


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    #15809788 - 02/14/12 08:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

This thread genuinely makes me really sad that some people have so little respect for themselves. I am actually in shock and cannot believe you are still taking someone like that back. Now she knows you will put your foot down, she will carry on as normal but this time she will keep it secret.

You need some kind of support system to help you learn about yourself and move on with your life, you are only 40, still young enough to find someone who can love and respect you, I strongly suggest seeking out some professional help asap.

I really believe that with some help you could become a better person and maybe in the future you could even have a relationship with your wife (what you have now isn't a relationship) that entails mutual respect (though I doubt it, she will probaly never respect you again), or even better a relationship with another woman who will love and respect you. I think it would be more helpful to your child that he has a good father figure with self respect, than let him see you being walked all over by your 'wife'. Do you really want him to grow up and be treated like that by his future wife because you taught him that was acceptable?


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    #15809920 - 02/14/12 09:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

This is actually something I'm going through, right now, Humility.

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Yutaka - In my opinion, having someone committed involuntarily against their will is one of the worst things you can do to someone you claim to "love".  In my opinion, that kind of behavior makes one no better than the pigs that lock people up because they feel it's "justified" to do so.

NO ONE has the right to tell ANYONE ELSE what to do with their body and SHAME ON ANYONE that negatively involves the armed tyrants calling themselves "government" in the lives of others, especially "loved ones".

One's duty is to mind one's fucking business and let people live their lives.




You believe that having someone committed involuntarily against their will is one of the worst things you can do to a person you love.

I agree forcing someone to be committed isn't a fun experience for any party.

You might be able to idly stand by and watch someone suffer physically or mentally. Or watch someone to cause another to suffer physically or mentally. When someone I care about is a danger to themselves or others, and I know about it, it is my duty to protect them and others. This is not a duty to myself but a duty to my fellow man. I believe that is my responsibility to protect my family, friends, and fellow neighbors if I am able.

I have an immediate family member that has been having delusions for nine years. Paranoid personality disorder coupled with bi-polar disorder. I'm trying to find a gentle way to force her to seek help. I don't want the police to show up. Nor an ambulance. I'd want her to go to a gerry-psyke facility of her own volition. I'm talking about someone who thinks her phone is tapped. Her house is bugged. SHE is bugged after a surgery. That people come into her house and move things around or take things. People pay off judges and lawyers and police to do things to her. That everyone is out to get her. A woman that walks around recording every conversation she has. A person that carries two disposable cameras around so that she can leave one with someone else so it will be 'safe' and 'they' won't know where the duplicate photos are. All of this including an irrational fear that if she does go to a psychologist or doctor for help that they will lock her up for good.

This is a woman that is clearly mentally ill. Now that I've been made aware that she is a threat to herself and others I will have her committed; against her will if need be. I will petition the agency that controls concealed carry licenses to revoke her license. This woman isn't crazy but she does need some medicine to level her out.

I agree that a person should not be forced to seek medical help but only if they are cognizant and of sound mind. After that 72 hour involuntary hold if the psychologists find that you're not a danger to yourself or others they let you out.

I don't understand your policy of isolationism and disregard for others. What many would call a policy of neglect. Especially for ones you care about.

I'm trying to help someone I love instead of writing their behavior off and leaving them to hurt themselves or others.

Shame me for forcing someone to seek treatment. Go ahead and think I'm pig.

I will tell you this:  I don't walk away from my responsibilities.




OP - something that Humility and I can agree on is that you're getting played. When it's over, it's over. My friend, it's been done for a long time now.

You were smart seperating the bank accounts, the phone, and any other liabilities or money that could hurt you.

You don't need to take her back or get back together. You need closure. An expedited one at that.

Things change. People Change. People's feelings change. Move on. She already has. You yanked the rug out from under her and that's thrown her guard off. She may realize the value that your relationship with her has but only as it benefits her.


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    #15809983 - 02/14/12 09:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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at first i was like :huxleyfacepalm:

but then i was like  :youdidit:

and then he acted like a man
so i thought
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that is, until he decided to take her back
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"cant turn a ho into a housewife"



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    #15811848 - 02/15/12 04:13 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Ive made a decision.  I "manned up" last night and told her this all pisses me off and I will not tolerate it.

I do love her, and of course I tried to make her remember the good times.  But in the end, she still wants him.  I told her that I can not deal with her being with him and coming home here.  She was like "you said you'd let me explor these feelings"  which I did, but I also said for a few days so maybe she would get her head on straight.

I am willing to forgive.  But I refuse to be rolled over again.  So for starts, this morning I took her off my online banking.  I know thats not much, but at least she dont have online access to any of the funds.  Im waiting to talk to "HIS" wife to see whats really going on there, but I plan on canceling her phone service which is in my name, cutting off all the checks and debit cards that she still has which are in my name, and when she DOES come home tonight Im laying it out on the line.

I want her to pack her bags and go.  I dont know where she can go, but if she wants to be with him so bad then go.  I cant do this anymore.  We are both on the house deed, but its not paid for, so I dont know how that works. 

Another thing... last night she said something about being so miserable she was ready to take her gun and blow her brains out.  Now, I dont think she would do this, but then again, she is mentally unstable at the moment.  Should I take out an "Order of Protection" against her because of this?  She may be a danger to me and my son although Im prety sure she wouldn't hurt him.

Today is Valentines Day, so Happy Fucking Valentines Day!  Its one we will NEVER forget!

Im hurt, Im mad, and Ive come to the conclusion that I have to protect my own interests.  You guys are right, how can I truly love someone if I dont even love myself?  Well, its time for me to look after me.

Some of your words were pretty harsh, but I understand.  And although the wording was harsh and uncontrolled, I do get what your saying. 

I AM open to counsel, but I dont think she is.  I DO want things to work out, but I dont think she does.  She doesn't know what she wants, and I think she needs to go find out.










It may not seem like it but I love you.  I mean that.  It hurts me to see you type what you have because I used to be you and what's happened to you is wrong.  Sorry about permitting my sadness to manifest as anger.

Now don't just say it - do it.  Put your money where your cock is.

Also, my apologies for being "harsh".  I didn't meant to direct that necessarily at YOU but you DO need to understand that whore of a gash you call a "wife" is FAR beyond saving.

The fact that she carries around a gun is MORE than enough reason to get a protective order against yourself and the house given her statements.  TRUST ME ON THIS BRAH.  If she violates it, do whatever you feel is necessary.

You wanna wake up with your brains blown out?  What if she murders your son?  The possibility is slim, possibly non-extant, but anyone talking about killing themselves is a potential risk to themselves and others, especially when her selfish nature has been shown.  If she'll ruin your family she'll take your life.

That bitch doesn't give a fuck about you.  I'm sincerely glad to see you are beginning to care about yourself.




I just read your most recent post and I don't even know what to say.  Like I said, anyone permitting others to abuse them like that deserves exactly what they get.  No child or adolescent deserves to go through this shit though.  It's a god damned shame but it'll be what it is.

I'll say it one last time: I'm younger than 25 and I'm telling you TO YOUR FACE that this is going to blow up and that SOMEONE may potentially DIE over this dumbass shit.  How can I know this and you not?  Good luck with whatever ya'll wind up doing.




Yutaka - In my opinion, having someone committed involuntarily against their will is one of the worst things you can do to someone you claim to "love".  In my opinion, that kind of behavior makes one no better than the pigs that lock people up because they feel it's "justified" to do so.

NO ONE has the right to tell ANYONE ELSE what to do with their body and SHAME ON ANYONE that negatively involves the armed tyrants calling themselves "government" in the lives of others, especially "loved ones".

One's duty is to mind one's fucking business and let people live their lives.



Sort of agree with this guy, except for the part about him thinking there's a high risk of her stabbing your child and then killing herself. :dudewtf:


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    #15811910 - 02/15/12 04:40 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

There's an extant risk, and that's enough.

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    #15811979 - 02/15/12 05:09 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Its time for me to step up in this family, and be a leader, and not put up with any more bullshit from her, or my son, or anyone else.



That's sort of the primeval view on the family. The big man should be boss and make his stand. If that's your world view, then that's fine; there's nothing wrong with it per se. However, I don't think it's necessary to thump your chest and make big noises just because you need to reaffirm your (perceived? desired?) position in the social system. I think what really matters is your feelings, your outlook on the future and the people (kid!) you're responsible for. I don't think you need to bring someone else down just to bring yourself up. For me, personally, this is an important rule to live by. Make of it what you want. Maybe it doesn't work for you. Maybe it does.

To be honest, it seems to me that this marriage has run its course. That's too bad, but it shouldn't be the end of the world for anyone involved. In your situation (and I have been witness to a case _very_ similar like yours very recently and from very up close...), I'd do the following:
- Decide if you are going to cut your woman loose. It looks like you're heading that way, so I'd sleep on it one more night, and then make the final call. If you do, then proceed and don't look back.
- Make sure the split is going to be fair. Sure, your woman has betrayed you, but from her point of view, you've probably missed a beat once or twice as well over the past, what is it, 20 years or so. I would advise to refrain from attempting to punish her for what she's done. Leave that to the legal system or God, if you will. I don't care. Cutting her loose is the only thing you need to do to protect yourself from further harm from her, so I would refrain from trying to mess with her more than necessary.
- Take stock of what stuff/money/etc she's legally entitled to and make sure she gets her share. Work out how often she should legally be entitled to see her son, and make sure that she has the opportunity to do so.

Why this 'soft' approach? Because it helps prevent further escalation and it gives a good example to your son. Or would you like him to think of his father as the man who kicked his mom out of the house and stripped her of all her worldly possessions? As the guy who drove his mom over the edge and 'made' her kill herself? The kid's going to have an opinion, and it's going to hurt if he's going to get mad at you. And he probably is, so better make sure he really has no valid reason to. This is going to be important a few months or even years down the road.

As to your wife: if she threatens with suicide, then do whatever it takes to prevent that from happening. Inform the authorities, her family, etc. Just don't let her use this threat to blackmail you into something you don't want. If it's over, it's over. Better be clear about that. And if she threatens to blow her brains out, point out to her that she'll take away her son's mother.

Good luck. There's tough times ahead, but with a little bit of luck, you'll look back on this a year ago and you will realize that things have improved. But that's something for the future...


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Humility]
    #15812110 - 02/15/12 06:39 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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There's an extant risk, and that's enough.

She's clearly not to be trusted.



Dude, come on. There's an extant risk of being struck by a meteorite. Should I then also always wear my asteroid protective exo-skeleton?


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    #15812114 - 02/15/12 06:41 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

You're taking this too lightly, VisionaryFlicker. You damn well know that these things happen. And if it's your kid, you don't want to run that risk.


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    #15812119 - 02/15/12 06:44 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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You're taking this too lightly, VisionaryFlicker. You damn well know that these things happen. And if it's your kid, you don't want to run that risk.



What exactly is he basing it on? That she has threatened with suicide?


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    #15812177 - 02/15/12 07:51 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

She is obviously very confused, possibly suicidal, and she has a gun.  :shrug:


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Humility]
    #15812231 - 02/15/12 08:34 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Every move you have made up until this point has been wise.  As you can see, things are now working in your favor.

I am sure you now know how to deal with the situation if it gets out of hand again.  Honestly, I wouldn't trust your wife; obviously she didn't think you had the stones to throw her out.  But at least you are giving her a chance.  Just make sure you keep her in line.  I think that's all she ever wanted anyway.

She's lucky you love her so much - I doubt very many people would tolerate her level of bullshit for very long.




Thank you for an honest, open minded opinion.  And yes, she is lucky I love her so much.  I am still skeptical, and my guard is UP!  But I HAVE to give her that chance, for my sake and my sons, and even for hers...

What some people here fail to realize is that we have basically raised each other.  When we got married, I was 22, she was 17.  We were both kids.  Hell, her daddy had to sign over custody of her to me so we could get married.  I had to sign her report card for Gods sake! 

We have been together for more than half of her life, and almost half of mine...  Im all shes ever known. 

There's not a one of you out there who can tell me that you've never wondered what being with someone else may be like, no matter who your with now!  Not a single one of you guys who are married can tell me that you haven't "THOUGHT" about it when you see a hot piece of ass walk by.  This situation is no different except that this time she crossed that line.  (and yes, she is a HOT piece of ass!!)

They BOTH have told me that it was pure infatuation, that there was supposed to be "no strings attached", but you and I both know that is impossible when you see that person on a daily basis because of work. He made the move on her, and it caught her totally off guard.  It was something she wasn't expecting, but at the time she was not getting that passion from me and it felt good at the time.

After I "manned up" she CHOSE to be with me, not because he went back to his wife, because in all honesty he hasn't yet.  Ive talked to HIS wife several times over the past couple days.


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Things change. People Change. People's feelings change. Move on. She already has. You yanked the rug out from under her and that's thrown her guard off. She may realize the value that your relationship with her has but only as it benefits her.




Dont we all look out for ourselves???  At least we should.  I have not been thinking about "ME" for a long time, now I am.

I do not believe that she is "suicidal", she just said that she has thought about it.  Hell, there have been times when I have thought about it in the past...  If you think about it, Im sure that it has crossed many of your minds in the past as well whether you acted on it or not.  Especially when you were emotionally distraught!

There was ONE time, a LONG time ago I almost did!  I went as far as having the barrel in my mouth and my finger on the trigger, hammer pulled back ready to fire...  then the phone rang.  I dont know why, but I put the gun down and answered the phone. My mother called, she didnt know what was wrong, but something told her to call me.  She calmed me down, had me come to her house, and at the same time had my cousin go to my house and get the gun.  It was in that instant that I knew there was a greater good watching out for me.  How the hell did she KNOW that something was bad wrong with me???  That was about 13 years ago...  Ive grown up a LOT since then and nothing could make me do something like that now.


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There's an extant risk, and that's enough.

She's clearly not to be trusted.




Trust is earned, not given.  Its the hardest thing to get, and the easiest thing to loose....

I agree, at the moment I do not trust her, I WANT to believe her, and I want to give her that chance.  Only time will tell.  My guard is up, dont think for a minute that its not.  But there is too much on the line for me not to try, not just financially, but emotionally.  And yes, I could be wrong....  but what if Im not?  I dont know why, but Im willing to try!  This is after all MY life.

You guys dont know how much you really have helped me out here...  whether we agree or not on certain things, you guys gave me the courage to stand up for myself, and to start looking out for "ME"!!!  I dont know when I lost that... but Im glad I got it back.  I already feel like a better man for it.  Thank you.  And please, keep it coming.  I love the honest opinions that you guys give, good and bad!  Its very helpful for me to look at the situation in so many different perspectives.


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    #15812406 - 02/15/12 09:59 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Nope, I would never worry about a wife with suicidal tendancies doing anything to harm the family.


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    #15812446 - 02/15/12 10:11 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I have to say I could probably forgive her, but I think I could never lead the same relationship again without losing my self-respect. And her respect. But I like your courage, posting this topic here!


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    #15816759 - 02/16/12 02:47 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

yeah im happy for you. Even though i don't know you I really feel for you. And btw watch out for her because if she knew that you were cutting off her finances before she came back to you apologizing, she might be trying to manipulate you.


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    #15817233 - 02/16/12 07:01 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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    #15818041 - 02/16/12 12:26 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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    #15820794 - 02/16/12 11:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I did something really bad today...

This girl came running up to the window of my truck begging for a ride.  It was cold outside, and she was like please please give me a ride, its not far...  So I say ok.

After heading down the road a bit she asked personal questions and found out my situation.  She was like would you like a good revenge fuck?  I was like huh??  She whooped out her tits and said here get ahold of these.  So I did.  We found a place to park and did the nasty...  then I took her where she needed to go.

I feel dirty, ashamed, and satisfied all at the same time.
That was SO wrong of me!! How could I do that?  I didnt even know her name!  And will never see her again. 

I gotta make this one quick, wife will be home any minute...  but I GOT to get it off my chest before I feel guilty about it with her and tell her!

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    #15820919 - 02/16/12 11:25 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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    #15822164 - 02/17/12 05:55 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Mmmmm :mad2: I dont know what to say... Why would you want to tell her RIGHT NOW?
You really need a third person to talk to IMO.


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    #15822444 - 02/17/12 09:48 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Dude you gotta remember that we're all motivated by our base primal instincts, even if you do hear your wife saying things like "(she) needs to find herself" that's still expressing something primal and in this case probably her desire to find herself some cock.

When you cut off all the supplies, she comes running back, I bet she came back all . But why are you taking her words at face value? Look deeper into the situation man. You just cut off most of the comfort, shelter, protection and resources out of her life. That leaves her with excitement (i.e. foreign cock), but no survival foundation to enjoy that transient bullshit with.

I agree with those saying you've shown yourself to be who you are. You've made your way clear and in her subconscious she is always going to know you as a walkover. You've taken the classical position of the "beta male", who provides while the bitch goes out and acquires quality DNA from guys that would never, ever, ever, EVER take this kind of shit from her. And that's a hardwired instinct you're fucking with, trying to reverse or "work on" this is like trying to make someone walk on their hands from now on.

Point is, it all crash'n'burned a long long time ago - only now you're ceasing to be in denial and accepting it. I'm sure we all can empathise, 18 years is a damn long time to be intimate with someone. All that remains is to salvage everything and protect you and your kids' interests.

And it would probably be a very bad idea to tell her about this latest event. By no means would I consider that an admirable response but still: Don't give the bitch ammunition against you. Judging by the way she's acting, she'll almost definitely use that one incident to rationalise & justify walking over you in every single way, shape and form. "It's OK that I'm sucking 10 cocks in a row now because he cheated on me that one time, I can't believe he *CHEATED* on ME".


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    #15822488 - 02/17/12 10:10 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Man I can't really believe how well you articulated that. I agree a hundred percent with pretty much everything you're saying and I did simply not find the words to say it that way. :thumbup:


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    #15822513 - 02/17/12 10:25 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I think you deserve this bitches disrepsect, just kick her out to the street... let her be the whore she wants to be... just tell her to stay far away from your place...


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    #15822680 - 02/17/12 11:44 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Relationships must be evenly yoked... (example) 2 people evenly carrying the weight of a relationship that is your now both of your LIVES...(and that has been your life for 18 years!) How has the weight felt on your end?
You sound like someone who has a big heart, experiencing a big hurt. Let me ask you, did you, in the past 18 years of your relationship, do anything to cause her to stray? Did you cheat? Did you forget to be a lover? Did you stop the spark of interest that once held this woman by your side? If so, then perhaps counseling will work, if both parties want to fix whatever errors they've made. However, if this is not the case, and you've been faithful, loving, and honest with yourself and her, then understand, its not your job to fix this woman...

You don't enter a relationship/marriage unevenly yoked... where 1 person pulls all the weight, while the other partner ultimately disrespects you and leaves you for other men on multiple occasions,
Who can say true love conquers when so called love strays repeatedly?
That's not true love, (at least not on her part), & you can "truly love" someone and them not feel the same (look at her actions, listen to her words.)
If 2 people are in a relationship and 1 of them doesn't want it... I'm sorry for your hurting, but any further along and I'd say it was self inflicted.

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    #15823128 - 02/17/12 01:57 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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    #15825962 - 02/18/12 01:25 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So this whole thread was a troll?


The guy that lets his wife treat him like that would NEVER have an affair on her.  Especially not with someone who asked for a ride by the side of the road.  The kind of guy would likely not pick someone up off the side of the road to begin with.


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    #15827035 - 02/18/12 11:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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This morning, my wife of 18 years woke me up saying she had to tell me something.  Shes been having an affair with her boss.  This morning he told his wife of 20 years the same.  She says she dont know what shes going to do, about her and him, or her and me... 

This has happened before, this will actually be the 3rd, or 4th time...

I told her I wanted her to stay.  I want her to call it off with him...  She says shes not happy here, that she feels like this home is her prison.  She says she needs to "find herself".  That she loves me, and cares about me, but she doesn't love me the way I love her. 

Shes been working with this guy for a year, she says the affair started over a month ago.

He has nowhere to go, neither does she.  Even if I tell her to leave, she will have nowhere to go.  She cant run to him because he lives with his wife, and HE has nowhere to go.

I do not want to give up on 18 years of my life.  More than that, I truly AM in love with her.  I always have been. 

I understand that she needs to do whatever she feels she needs to do...  I just hope that she makes the decision to stay and fix whatever it is that is making her unhappy.

We've been through this before, and still, I find myself not knowing what to do...  Im so hurt and confused right now.  I have noone to turn too except my father who tells me not to ask his advice since hes had 2 failed marriages...

Help me...





Sounds like my ex. She left 3 times and ended up coming back.

I DID  NOT take her back the 4th time.


Hope everything works out for the best, even if that means yall going your seperate ways. then at least she can find her self, and you may want to take that time to do the same friend.

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    #15827295 - 02/18/12 12:55 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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So this whole thread was a troll?


The guy that lets his wife treat him like that would NEVER have an affair on her.  Especially not with someone who asked for a ride by the side of the road.  The kind of guy would likely not pick someone up off the side of the road to begin with.





ok, to be clear, I am not trolling...

I didnt just pick someone up from the side of the road.  I was doing something I probably shouldn't have been doing.

I was sitting across the street from HIS work waiting to see if SHE was going to see him.  I suspected that she lied to me about what time she had to work, because that morning she said she got off at 8, but then later she said she had to close.  So I wanted to know.  I guess you could say I was stalking, not sure.  Upper management separated them on monday and put her in a different store.

Fact is, she didnt go to his work, she actually did close the store she was in.  This girl came up to my truck while I was sitting across the street watching HIS store.  I wouldn't call this an affair, more of a grudge fuck.  Its never happened to me before.  I am an emotional wreck right now, and I guess I figured what the hell?  I know it was wrong. 

All that aside, we had a real blow up last night at her parents house.  I took her to see them since yesterday was her birthday.  Everything was great, until HE called her and told her to have me call HIS wife!  What a fucking mess that turned into.  Me on the phone with HIS wife, and my wife on the phone with HIM.  Its as if we were having a 4 way argument in the same room, only we were 100 miles apart from THEM.

After the phone call was done, there was a lot of confusion for us both.  Her sister is a registered nurse, and was there as well.  She sat us down and was like what the fuck!  She talked to us for a while, asked my wife if she loved me, she says yes.  Looked at me and told me I was a fucking nut.  That if she was in my shoes there's NO WAY IN HELL she would have put up with all this.  Then she looked at my wife and said look, He dont hit you, he dont abuse you, hes had the same job for um-teen years, he takes care of you, he still wants you even after all this.  Hes one in a million, and thats hard to find. 

Then asked her do you see a future with this guy your seeing?  My wife says no.  She asks, well do you see a future with your husband?  My wife says yes, but the passion has been gone for a very long time.  Then she says would you be winning to get help?  because you too are seriously fucked up!  And you need a mediator.  She also says to my wife you need to get back on your medication.  She should be taking something for anxiety and depression.  She has a neurological disorder that affects the nerves, and its very possible that this is why she keeps letting her emotions drive her instead of what she knows is right.  besides that, most of the women in there family are pretty fucked up (her words not mine).

It was an emotional roller coaster yesterday for both of us.  But after we came home, we held each other until we fell asleep.  No sex, no making out, just holding each other.  She said that if HE called her today she would tell him to leave her alone, that she has made up her mind.

She went to work this morning, kissing me goodbye and telling me she loves me.  couple hours go by and she calls me.  I ask her if he called her and she said yes, but she never got to tell me what they talked about.  She was called to the front of the store for customers and I haven't heard from her since.  I checked the phone logs on our account (which updates every 15 minutes), HE called her, and they talked for 56 minutes this morning before she had to open her store.  The text messaging count is not going up so they are not texting either.  Ive been checking all day as well, she has not called him back, and he hasn't called her back.  Im just hoping that she was true to her word and told him to leave her alone.  I guess Ill find out later.

I know Im such a fool.  I get what I deserve if it all falls apart.  I WILL stand my ground, I WILL demand that there be only 1 man in her life.  I WILL be true to myself this time no matter what!  And I am prepared to loose her if thats what she wants, and I am prepared to fight for her if she wants to stay and he keeps trying.  I am fully prepared to protect my wife LEGALLY by putting a bullet in his brain if he comes here!  Im seriously fucked up.  I know I/WE need help.  And if she is serious, then it looks like we may be getting that help.  I guess Ill find out next time I talk to her.

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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa]
    #15827356 - 02/18/12 01:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Dude you're not "protecting" jack shit by doing that.

Cause: Wife cheating
Effect: Manslaughter
Result: Cheating wife + legal case

Whereas -

Cause: Wife cheating
Effect: Tell wife to fuck off
Result: 0 problems (pain of separation aside)

I feel for you man...


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: crkhd]
    #15827459 - 02/18/12 01:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I just talked to her, well, texted actually.  But she says that when he called this morning it was to apologize for causing such a scene on her birthday at her parents house.

She says that she told him to leave her alone, that it was through.  She wants to go on in our marriage, seeking help from a counselor and getting on the meds she needs to be on.  Which is what her sister says we need to do, and is what we agreed too last night, and again this morning.

And actually, I AM protecting me and my family if he comes here to start shit.  Just one aggressive move on his part earns him a 45 shell from my pistol that I am legally licensed and trained to use.  I dont WANT this to happen, Im just prepared for it if it does.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa]
    #15827763 - 02/18/12 03:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Or you could give her a datura love potion and make her your mind controlled slave.... how bout that?? she would not cheat or lie that way 100% sure.  thats the only way I would trust she wouldnt be messing around.

I understand the demons(weakness) of attachment though.. just dont kill this guy cos you will end up in jail and your wife would be free to fuck whoever she wants and take away all your money belongings, while you would getting your own dose of cock from the cell inmates.... think bout it... you are being so so so naive....


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa]
    #15828968 - 02/18/12 08:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Why should he do such a thing and come home to you and threaten you? He's a man in a responsible position, why should he bring himself in a threatening situation over a wife of another man? I guess he will be wise enough to not get under your eyes.

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    #15829706 - 02/18/12 11:24 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Why should he do such a thing and come home to you and threaten you? He's a man in a responsible position, why should he bring himself in a threatening situation over a wife of another man? I guess he will be wise enough to not get under your eyes.

Why are you exaggerating? Calm down.




No, he lost his job over all this, his marriage is falling apart, and he tells her hes gonna come and get her.  She dont know what she wants.  She told me today that she loves me, she wants to get him out of her head, but she cant. 

He wants her to leave me and get an apartment, and him stay with his wife.  He wants to have both of them I guess...  Its really starting to piss me off.


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    #15829777 - 02/18/12 11:49 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

For a guy without a job he seems to have pretty unrealistic expectations... I'm losing overview I guess...


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    #15830592 - 02/19/12 04:25 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I did something really bad today...

This girl came running up to the window of my truck begging for a ride.  It was cold outside, and she was like please please give me a ride, its not far...  So I say ok.

After heading down the road a bit she asked personal questions and found out my situation.  She was like would you like a good revenge fuck?  I was like huh??  She whooped out her tits and said here get ahold of these.  So I did.  We found a place to park and did the nasty...  then I took her where she needed to go.

I feel dirty, ashamed, and satisfied all at the same time.
That was SO wrong of me!! How could I do that?  I didnt even know her name!  And will never see her again. 

I gotta make this one quick, wife will be home any minute...  but I GOT to get it off my chest before I feel guilty about it with her and tell her!

talk later!!!!




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    #15831129 - 02/19/12 10:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I did something really bad today...

This girl came running up to the window of my truck begging for a ride.  It was cold outside, and she was like please please give me a ride, its not far...  So I say ok.

After heading down the road a bit she asked personal questions and found out my situation.  She was like would you like a good revenge fuck?  I was like huh??  She whooped out her tits and said here get ahold of these.  So I did.  We found a place to park and did the nasty...  then I took her where she needed to go.

I feel dirty, ashamed, and satisfied all at the same time.
That was SO wrong of me!! How could I do that?  I didnt even know her name!  And will never see her again. 

I gotta make this one quick, wife will be home any minute...  but I GOT to get it off my chest before I feel guilty about it with her and tell her!

talk later!!!!




IDK 'bout you guys but I call bullshit :poop:


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Man, I wish it was.  But it really happened.  Not something Im proud of.

Last night hurt so bad!  How can she sit on my lap, holding me, telling me shes in love with him and me.  Shes crying and dont know what to do.  We kiss, and I FEEL her love for me!  Its not just because I want it, its not fake! 

My dad says shes just biding her time till she gets what she wants, and as soon as the tax money comes in she will leave.  That may be true.  I dont know. 

She tells me she cant see a future with him.  Yet he wants her to get an apartment and move away from me.  Yet he wants to stay in his house with his wife and daughter, at least untill may when his daughter graduates.  I asked her if she thought he would wait until our son graduates 2 years from now...  she didnt answer, but she knows the answer to that one.

She says that if me and him were to fight, and both of us were lying there dying, that I would be the one she would try to save...  Yet she still wants to be with him.

I dont get it, I dont understand!  How can she love 2 men?  Im so torn and confused!  I cant kick her out, we BOTH own this place.  I cant leave, I have nowhere to go, and I dont want to leave!

I want this hurt to go away!  I want my life back!  I want my wife!  OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH ME??????????


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    #15832596 - 02/19/12 04:45 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

learn to fuck her brains out.... she must find you tame and mentally boring  quite surely she finds you boring in bed too, you are not for each other really, she just wants you to pay for her while someone else is making her come like there is no tomorrow... she wants you to be her sugar daddy. probably she will do the same thing to the other guy after a little while.

she is a parasite, get her out of your life man... you need to grow some balls and use them to get laid with more women.... yours is just not worth anything of the shit she is making you pass trough,

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    #15832997 - 02/19/12 06:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Going to state it again. You need to go and seek professional help, a group of oddballs on a mushroom growing website are not going to give you the advice or support you need and neither are members of your girlfriends family. You are carrying on like a child, trying to face a serious problem with a child like emotional response of I'm going to kill everyone. While I think your wife and her boyfriend deserve a bullet in the head, I do not think you deserve to be locked in prison for life and your kid doesn't deserve to be left with no parents.

Please at least try and get some help to get your shit together, if not for your sake, but your kids sake before there is another murder suicide on the news.


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    #15833531 - 02/19/12 08:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Theres nothing wrong with you, your just decided to get your manhood back. Aint nuthin wrong with that just don't kill anybodody. I never got why people get mad at the person their partner cheated on them with.


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    #15833692 - 02/19/12 08:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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    #15837069 - 02/20/12 12:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

You'd kill another man for your wife's cheating choices? Although it takes 2 to tango, your wife is primarily responsible on her end for her messed up actions, she took a vow to love and cherish ONLY YOU. You need to work on this relationship....pray together so that you show and know your on the same loving page daily, reestablish your love and needs for each other, and maybe renew your wedding vows. start from a clean slate, if your both serious about this whole "marriage" thing... remember its loving and caring for each other, daily, you gotta work at it, its gonna be hard at times... marriage is "FOR LIFE" treat it with ultimate respect.


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    #15842002 - 02/21/12 12:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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    #15844880 - 02/21/12 11:16 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

She says that he and her have ended there romantic relationship, but have decided to still be friends.  Meaning that they may still talk from time to time.  But its not worth all the heartache on both sides.

Im skeptical, and told her that I dont believe her.  We shall see.
She has decided to stay here, and make the best of it, but asks for time to get over him.  I only hope that she means it.  I know what a broken heart feels like, I have one now!  This should never have happened.  It will take time on her part, and on mine.

I dont know what is going to happen.  We may work it out, we may not.

regardless of what is "going" to happen, I am preparing for the worst.  My guard is up, Im watching the finances, and Im going to live my life as if I were a single man again.  If she wants me then Ill need a show of love and respect from her.  Otherwise none of this will work. 

I am going to see a counselor on Thursday (my birthday) at 3pm.  She dont even know Im going.  But I need someone to help me with ME!

Ive been on my knees since this happened praying to God, and I plan on continuing it, even if she leaves.  I plan on going to church with my son tomorrow night, he asked... so I said what the hell?  All that can happen is the roof fall in right???  I haven't been in a church in YEARS!!

I cleaned the house of everything that would be considered "illegal" as well....  so ignore my prints on the trade list, I dont have them anymore.  There's not so much as a misdemeanor in my house right now.  Im taking NO chances!

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    #15845061 - 02/21/12 11:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Good luck man, I'm glad you're going to a counselor instead of relying on us , a message board of drug users for advice.


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    #15845151 - 02/22/12 12:00 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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My guard is up, Im watching the finances, and Im going to live my life as if I were a single man again.

I am going to see a counselor on Thursday (my birthday) at 3pm.  She dont even know Im going.  But I need someone to help me with ME!





I really hope it all works out for you, I think once you get your external support system established and keep your guard up you will start to cultivate alot of emotional strength you didn't even know you had and be able to look at these events in a whole new light.

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    #15845504 - 02/22/12 01:27 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Bro I'm real sorry to hear that. My parents divorced when I was young over a situation like that so I know somewhat of what it's like. Maybe what you need to do is back off. Give her time to decide what she wants. Maybe you should be the one who goes out on her and ignores her because maybe she won't know what she's about to lose until it happens to her. You seem like a great dude especially to stick around for the 3rd time. Maybe my advice isnt what you are looking for but maybe you should take a look at why you really even love her and why you think you deserve to be abused and thrown to the side by her. I understand completely it's 18 years of your life but nobody deserves what your having done to you right now. I'm sorry but maybe you should tell your wife. It's either me or we no longer need this marriage. You need to think about putting your foot down and telling her how you feel because going like this is not fair to you at all. Maybe the thought of that first romance is stuck in your head and really you don't want to let that part to but life changes. It's unfortunate but for you to have to sit around while your wife commits the worst crime/sin imaginable and still thinks she has the right to live in your home and be married to a great guy like you. She should be thrown out in the middle of the night. Sorry if you disagree with me man I just am trying to give you the advice I would feel if I had a wife doing that to me. I saw what my parents went through and the struggles my mother went through with my father and will never forgive him what he did to her so I can only tell you from my experience what you should do and what I'm saying is what my mom had to do to be free and truly happy. She stopped trying to figure out the prOblem and decided to accept it and give my dad an ultimatum. Well he tried his hardest to make things right again but the damage was dealt. So you need to take a look at your life and ask yourself. Should I keep allowing myself to be abused like this when ultimately your wife should have came to you and told you these things and tried marriage counseling before having an affair. I'm sorry to here about your troubles bro. Keep things posted to let everyone know what's going on. Best of luck


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    #15845766 - 02/22/12 02:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)



Chill man. Don't kill that dude even if it's legal. That would only fuck up your situation more, and put a further burden on your conscious. Call the cops of go whoop his ass.

That's a fucked up situation. I admire your unconditional love for your wife and I wish you the best of luck. Keep in mind your son and make him the priority. Make his life as smooth as it can be until he leaves home.



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    #15847264 - 02/22/12 02:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

sorry OP, but your fucking stupid to believe anything she says at this point. fool me 4 times shame on you, fool me 5 or 6 or maybe 7 times shame on me...? you're not manning up, your caving at the first sight of her when you tried to cut her off. like she wouldn't try that when shes financially cut off? shes just walking all over you, and sounds like she has been for some time.

i agree with an earlier post that this sets a really shitty example for your son. no different than being an alcoholic or unloving or hitting a woman. your teaching him it's ok for women to walk all over him. what would you tell him in 20 years when his wife is out fucking a bunch of other guys? "just keep trying to work it out"

i really don't think you have it in you to leave her, so i expect a similar thread within the year. it sounds harsh, but you need to wake the fuck up.


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    #15847344 - 02/22/12 02:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Exactly, you seem to feel like you "manned up" to her or some shit, but you haven't. You've just shown her once again you're a fucking doormat. Hell, if I was her I'd be sucking every dick in town too. Why not? It's not like you're gonna kick her whore-ass to the curb or anything, right?


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    #15847495 - 02/22/12 03:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If I could sleep around and my gf always took me back, I would. And I would have no respect for her.

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    #15847758 - 02/22/12 04:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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If I could sleep around and my gf always took me back, I would. And I would have no respect for her.

I'm thinking that's how OP's relationship is going.



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    #15855051 - 02/23/12 11:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Any updates?

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    #15856406 - 02/24/12 08:00 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The title of this thread alone projects such a powerless demasculanity... :/
"here we go AGAIN! being repeatedly disrespected by the skanky whore I call my wife! This sucks! But what ya gonna do? It's not like I respect myself enough to ever kick her to the curb, after all! And besides, I've invested loads of time in this bitch, which may not have translated very well into an open, honest, loving relationship, but It's a lot of invested time nonetheless. So, instead of licking my wounds and starting anew whilst I'm not an old guy, I'm gonna invest even more time into this trainwreck of a relationship. All because my selfregard has shrunken to the point that I've come to believe I deserve this..."


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    #15856914 - 02/24/12 12:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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If I could sleep around and my gf always took me back, I would. And I would have no respect for her.

I'm thinking that's how OP's relationship is going.



exactly.




That just makes you shitty people.  I certainly wouldn't.


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    #15857128 - 02/24/12 01:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I was being facetious :smirk:

If I didn't love my gf enough to be faithful I would leave her. It's that simple.


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    #15857272 - 02/24/12 01:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

TO be honest, I never thought this thread would get the attention its getting...  You guys have really surprised me...

several of you have been PMing me to post an update... so here goes:

Yesterday (my birthday) I went to see a counselor.  She helped me to understand things that my wife has been trying to tell me for a while...  I guess I just never really "listened" or understood what she was trying to get across.

It basically comes down to this:  If I truly want my wife, to hold her and be with her, to make a happy life together, then I have to concentrate on ME, not her.  Ive been trying to "step outside of myself" and see me for the kind of man I really am, not the image of a man I think I am...  Thats hard to do. 

My wife says that she and her ex-boss have called off the romantic relationship for the sake of both families, but they are still friends and still will be talking/texting each other as friends.  My counselor says that if I truly want my wife to fall in love with me again, then I have to let her do what she feels is best for her, even though it hurts me.  Its the "lesser of two evils",  I can force her to cut all ties, and make her stay, having her resent me and always wondering "what might have been", or I can work on ME and be an example to her that she will begin to admire and make a choice for herself to live her life with me.  Either way its going to hurt me, but its the only ways there really are to achieve the goals that I desire.

Night before last we had a VERY big fight... it ended up both of us in silence for about a half hour.  We went to bed, still not speaking.  After a while she sat up just looking at me.  I asked her "what is it?"  then she put her arms around me and kissed me.  We kissed for several minutes, holding each other, being together.  We fell asleep in each others arms.

Last night me and my wife talked for several hours....  just talked about things...  I told her that if she could promise me that it really was over with Doug, and that line had been drawn, that I had to trust her and let her be herself.  If she feels like talking to him then talk to him.  If she truly can maintain that "friend" relationship with him then I wouldn't stand in her way.  I want her to make her own decisions in this matter, and not stand in her way.  I do not want her to feel as if Im manipulating her or controlling her in any way.  So do what you need to do to make yourself better. 

I asked her to help me name my good traits and my bad ones, I wanted honest opinions to help me better understand myself.  So we talked... for a while... When we went to bed we became intimate, and ultimately made love and fell asleep in each others arms.

Im not sure whats going to happen between us.  I just hope and pray that we can work through this and eventually make our relationship rock solid.


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    #15857299 - 02/24/12 01:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

:dudewtf: what part of DUMP THE BITCH, did you not understand?


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    #15857852 - 02/24/12 04:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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:dudewtf: what part of DUMP THE BITCH, did you not understand?




serously. looks like the failboat has sailed a long time ago.

no logic or common sense will change the OP's view, shes obviously changed and won't screw more guys and continue walking all over you and make everything about her. you don't tell your cheating wife that it's ok to be friends with the guy shes been fucking, thats a big WTF. i mean seriously OP, this is pretty fucking fail, and one of the most ball less act's i've read to date.


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    #15858121 - 02/24/12 05:41 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

You guys get me wrong...  Although I WANT her to be telling me the truth about all this, I really dont EXPECT it.  Its like this, no matter how I feel, I cant really kick her out, and I cant leave.  We both own everything around here.  So ATM all I can do is hope for the best, and prepare for the worst.

The thing I must remember is that is not about her, it is about me.  I must concentrate on getting ME straight, and if she chooses to do so THEN we can work on getting US straight.  Ive got to let her make up her own mind, make her own choices, and be "herself" through all of this, and Ive got to do the same for me.

No matter what some may think I should do, I must do what I feel is right for me and my family.  I have too much invested emotionally, mentally and financially to abandon it all.  And I believe that she will come to same conclusion one day, and if she doesn't at least I will be a better man for it.  And My son will know what unconditional love really is, whether we work it all out or not.


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    #15858168 - 02/24/12 05:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The thing I must remember is that is not about her, it is about me.  I must concentrate on getting ME straight, and if she chooses to do so THEN we can work on getting US straight.  Ive got to let her make up her own mind, make her own choices, and be "herself" through all of this, and Ive got to do the same for me.




It sounds like you aren't the one who needs to work on yourself. You seem to have your shit together .... besides letting her do this multiple times. She on the other hand doesn't seem to have her shit together.

I agree you both need to be in the right position mentally, physically, and emotionally to turn "me and you" into "us".

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    #15858474 - 02/24/12 07:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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    #15858710 - 02/24/12 08:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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    #15859067 - 02/24/12 09:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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No matter what some may think I should do, I must do what I feel is right for me and my family.  I have too much invested emotionally, mentally and financially to abandon it all. And I believe that she will come to same conclusion one day, and if she doesn't at least I will be a better man for it.  And My son will know what unconditional love really is, whether we work it all out or not.




You haven't done what's right for you and your family. And from what it sounds like, fuck your "counselor". You still have not set a boundary for your "wife". If she wants, she can sit up in the middle of the night and throw herself on you and get sex from you. Gee, how romantic...

Cut the bitch off. Let your balls emerge from your torso and no matter how painful it is at first cut her off sexually, emotionally, financially. You can still live in the same domicile while you sort out the logistics of material property and everything you have "invested" but that doesn't mean that while you inhabit the same domicile she takes whatever she wants and gets to "be herself" fuck that. You are making excuses to continue to indulge emotionally in the woman you obviously love and love too much.

You are not teaching your son about unconditional love, you are teaching him that his father does not know how to lay down the law.

You are emasculated. You are not willing yet to do what you have to because you are letting your attachment to this succubus overpower your self-respect and duty as a husband and father.


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    #15860045 - 02/25/12 01:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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No matter what some may think I should do, I must do what I feel is right for me and my family.  I have too much invested emotionally, mentally and financially to abandon it all. And I believe that she will come to same conclusion one day, and if she doesn't at least I will be a better man for it.  And My son will know what unconditional love really is, whether we work it all out or not.




You haven't done what's right for you and your family. And from what it sounds like, fuck your "counselor". You still have not set a boundary for your "wife". If she wants, she can sit up in the middle of the night and throw herself on you and get sex from you. Gee, how romantic...

Cut the bitch off. Let your balls emerge from your torso and no matter how painful it is at first cut her off sexually, emotionally, financially. You can still live in the same domicile while you sort out the logistics of material property and everything you have "invested" but that doesn't mean that while you inhabit the same domicile she takes whatever she wants and gets to "be herself" fuck that. You are making excuses to continue to indulge emotionally in the woman you obviously love and love too much.

You are not teaching your son about unconditional love, you are teaching him that his father does not know how to lay down the law.

You are emasculated. You are not willing yet to do what you have to because you are letting your attachment to this succubus overpower your self-respect and duty as a husband and father.




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    #15862073 - 02/25/12 04:25 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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No matter what some may think I should do, I must do what I feel is right for me and my family.  I have too much invested emotionally, mentally and financially to abandon it all. And I believe that she will come to same conclusion one day, and if she doesn't at least I will be a better man for it.  And My son will know what unconditional love really is, whether we work it all out or not.




You haven't done what's right for you and your family. And from what it sounds like, fuck your "counselor". You still have not set a boundary for your "wife". If she wants, she can sit up in the middle of the night and throw herself on you and get sex from you. Gee, how romantic...

Cut the bitch off. Let your balls emerge from your torso and no matter how painful it is at first cut her off sexually, emotionally, financially. You can still live in the same domicile while you sort out the logistics of material property and everything you have "invested" but that doesn't mean that while you inhabit the same domicile she takes whatever she wants and gets to "be herself" fuck that. You are making excuses to continue to indulge emotionally in the woman you obviously love and love too much.

You are not teaching your son about unconditional love, you are teaching him that his father does not know how to lay down the law.

You are emasculated. You are not willing yet to do what you have to because you are letting your attachment to this succubus overpower your self-respect and duty as a husband and father.





Your right.  I think Im going to just cut her off emotionally and sexually.  I cant really cut her off financially because of the way we have our finances worked out, but I CAN distance myself from her.  I DO hope that she comes to her senses and cuts him out completely, and I DO hope that someday we will work this out, and maybe be stronger because of it.  But right now I need to distance myself from my love for her, and refuse and physical contact with her.  Maybe thats the only way Ill be able to start my own road to recovery...


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    #15875756 - 02/28/12 01:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Ive arranged to stay at my brothers for a few days...  Im going to leave her.  I have to wait until tomorrow though as my income tax money posts to OUR account tomorrow and its got to go for bills, and I want to be sure it does.  So as soon as I pay off the bills with that money, Im outta here.

Im going to ask my son if he wants to go with me.  He will probably say no because this is his home, but under the circumstances I think SHE needs to know what it feels like to be left. I have NEVER left her before, she has left me a couple times and came back.  She has never been truly alone.  I hope my son goes with me, just to show her what alone really is.  Make her realize what shes loosing, and make her want to change.

I dont know how long Ill stay gone, maybe a few days, maybe more.  Maybe this will give us BOTH a chance to clear our heads.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: Big Pappa]
    #15875767 - 02/28/12 01:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

good for you


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: treesniper119]
    #15875777 - 02/28/12 01:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

What you do is hire a fucking hooker,
fuck her by yourself or have a threesome.

Problem solved.


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Re: Here we go AGAIN! [Re: cinic] * 1
    #15879930 - 02/29/12 08:31 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

cut her off her money too, if not she will be using it to spend it with her lovers... also by leaving her alone in the house you are giving her reason to talk to any dick and fuck them in your place....


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