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 friendof_fungi
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 Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?!  [Re: slapphappypill]
#15783045 - 02/09/12 12:12 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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If its contams sounds alot like Mycelia Sterilia or Mucor. Maybe it is the good guys though and its just colonized the outer layer first and is workin its way in so what looks like near total colonization is only the perimeter. often large quantities of spores are deposited all around the glass esp. when using four hole tech. Some guides suggest squirting all over the glass so you can see it begin easier. In five days all these spores could have germ. and then linked up giving the false impression.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: kdmmontana]
#15783423 - 02/09/12 01:51 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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gotta disagree bro. No disrespect but it looks fine to me and I've had jars colonize almost as fast.
This is a natural case of an impossible event. TO tell me that your jars colonize in 9 days is just silly, its either a lie or some exxaaggerration. It takes 4-5 days for a MS spore load to germinate and at least 5 more before you see a reasonable large mycelium inside the jar. There may of course be exceptions but for now all I can say is that you are either making this up or that you lack concept of time and space.
If you "had" jars that grw that quickly then please link us to at least 3-4 other cases where this can be shown, blindly believing that germination + colonization can take place in less than 1 week is a dangerous idea to spread.
What the OP has in his jars is a clear case of contamination. I have seen countless myceliums grow and ive studied at least 60-70 jars under a magnifying glass and to this day I have never seen mycelium that looks like that.
The OP can do this to test his jar if he feels like it;
smell it. Regular cube mycelium smells like fresh mushrooms and nothing else. If its trich, it will smell like trich smells. But it sure wont smell like cube mycelium.
There are methods to find out wether the OP suffers from a case of contamination or not and they are pretty simple to execute.
Other than that I am of course grateful that people feel the urge to help.
Look at the photo in my gallery. It is a jar at about 90% after 7 days. It was 100% after 8 and sat for a week to consolidate.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: Hang]
#15783443 - 02/09/12 01:57 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Bummer dude, how are the other jars doing?
If you still have the infected jars, could you post another pic now that they are green for the tread?
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: DrCrumbs]
#15783467 - 02/09/12 02:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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My last set of jars got to 100% in just 12 days from MS, unfortunately I learned what trich mycelium looks like very well after attempting g2g in the home of someone who is not too preoccupied with small things like cleanliness or hygiene. I lost 96 jars that week but more importantly I lost the last remaining trace of my PE Isolate toss them yesterday or you will mess up your entire grow area trust me.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: Dr. No Clue]
#15783494 - 02/09/12 02:10 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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My last set of jars got to 100% in just 12 days from MS, unfortunately I learned what trich mycelium looks like very well after attempting g2g in the home of someone who is not too preoccupied with small things like cleanliness or hygiene. I lost 96 jars that week but more importantly I lost the last remaining trace of my PE Isolate toss them yesterday or you will mess up your entire grow area trust me.
yea people spread mold spores everywhere in their grow space when they go to smell a funky jar.... i use my shed for expirements on contaminated cakes... like cutting off the mold and then using the rest as spawn for coir... and even before i can walk back into the house i gotta change my cloths in the backyard.. mold spores can go everywhere.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: boommer]
#15783548 - 02/09/12 02:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Fortunately i didnt open the jar to smell it because i could tell by the colour that it was obvbiously contaminated  is it likely or unlikely for jars in the same drawer to get the contam from one jar to another if the lids have always been kept closed ?
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: saidthewhale]
#15783551 - 02/09/12 02:21 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Fortunately i didnt open the jar to smell it because i could tell by the colour that it was obvbiously contaminated is it likely or unlikely for jars in the same drawer to get the contam from one jar to another if the lids have always been kept closed ?
is there holes in the lid? do you have a verm layer on top of the cake?
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: boommer]
#15783559 - 02/09/12 02:22 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yes 4 holes in the lid and a verm layer, no microspore tape or anything of the sort.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: saidthewhale]
#15783561 - 02/09/12 02:23 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Starting to turn a bit green now. I would remove it from the area. But as long as the lid has been closed you should be ok. Can never be too careful though. How's that other jar looking? Any signs of growth yet?
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: carnage11]
#15783582 - 02/09/12 02:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Its already been removed from my area this morning. kept half of my jars in one side of my room in a drawer and the other half of the jars in my closet on the other side of the room. the ones in the closet show no signs of growth yet so hoping no contams reached those ones and are still viable.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: saidthewhale]
#15783627 - 02/09/12 02:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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yea deff just toss the jar or if your gonna open it then open it outside that must have about a billion spores in it very unsafe to breath it in or open it in your house/grow area.
for the most part i believe your jars will be safe.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: saidthewhale]
#15783864 - 02/09/12 03:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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saidthewhale said:
Fortunately i didnt open the jar to smell it because i could tell by the colour that it was obvbiously contaminated is it likely or unlikely for jars in the same drawer to get the contam from one jar to another if the lids have always been kept closed ?
Never take a whiff of a jar that you know is contaminated it will mess u up trust me and if you are going to attempt it I don't recommend the smell test with the lid off, when I shake fully colonized jars I can smell the mycelium through the tyvek at arms length. And yes it will spread through the lid to the rest of the jars toss it and avoid rapid movements tyvek will not keep in or out 100% of contams something will eventually get through if provoked.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: Dr. No Clue]
#15783878 - 02/09/12 03:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
Filters are not 100%, that's why we need to toss out contaminated jars as soon as discovered. I've often had a jar get trich, and then a few days later discover it in adjacent jars on the same shelf. If a filter stops 99.99% of a few billion spores, that's still a few thousand that can get through.
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: Dr. No Clue]
#15784011 - 02/09/12 04:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Best bet is to just bury it in your backyard. This way nothing can spread to your other jars, and who knows.....one day you mind find a nice big juicy mushroom growing in your backyard. 
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Re: TALL half pint brf jar colonized in 5 days ?! [Re: Hang]
#15784236 - 02/09/12 05:06 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Hang said:
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kdmmontana said:
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Hang said:
gotta disagree bro. No disrespect but it looks fine to me and I've had jars colonize almost as fast.
This is a natural case of an impossible event. TO tell me that your jars colonize in 9 days is just silly, its either a lie or some exxaaggerration. It takes 4-5 days for a MS spore load to germinate and at least 5 more before you see a reasonable large mycelium inside the jar. There may of course be exceptions but for now all I can say is that you are either making this up or that you lack concept of time and space.
If you "had" jars that grw that quickly then please link us to at least 3-4 other cases where this can be shown, blindly believing that germination + colonization can take place in less than 1 week is a dangerous idea to spread.
What the OP has in his jars is a clear case of contamination. I have seen countless myceliums grow and ive studied at least 60-70 jars under a magnifying glass and to this day I have never seen mycelium that looks like that.
The OP can do this to test his jar if he feels like it;
smell it. Regular cube mycelium smells like fresh mushrooms and nothing else. If its trich, it will smell like trich smells. But it sure wont smell like cube mycelium.
There are methods to find out wether the OP suffers from a case of contamination or not and they are pretty simple to execute.
Other than that I am of course grateful that people feel the urge to help.
Look at the photo in my gallery. It is a jar at about 90% after 7 days. It was 100% after 8 and sat for a week to consolidate.
Well a picture doesnt prove that, just what you say. Maybe if you bothered with taking 8 pictures during 8 days showing the growth, just like I did with my jars.
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