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 Galidor4
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 My first "Mystical" experience 
#15753298 - 02/02/12 09:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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First off I feel I should explain the quotes around the word Mystical. They're there purely for the sake that no one can define what a Mystical experience is.
This is my first trip log, however, it is not the first time I tripped.
I should start my story off a couple of weeks ago, on the day of January 9th to be exact. I was celebrating my 6th month anniversary with my girlfriend and the day before we decided we wanted to trip for the occasion and so we did. We dropped around 1:00 pm, -Mind you this was LSD and not mushrooms- we sat in her basement and played the impossible game along with smoking hookah. The usual on set of effects, anxiety, bursts of energy and then slight euphoria, set in and after an hour there were lines on the t.v. with an almost Aztecan feel to them and the squares in the game became the nose of what looked like DeadMau5. Around 4:00 we left her house and ventured to mine, eventually doing the same thing, playing The Impossible Game. (Don't worry, it's all relevant.) At 7:00 we left my house to go to a friends house but before we left I decided to give my mom a huge hug (my thinking was that I had been neglecting her- I'm very close with my parents, I've realized the extent of their knowledge but also the limits.)And immediately she starts to cry which had been expected, but then she starts asking me what's going on and then suddenly starts hysterically crying, I'm freakin' the fuck out so I tell me mom i just wanted to give her a huge and she then goes on to say she had a dream I got in a car accident and died. Although not uncommon for any mother to experience these dreams, due do my family history. Believe it or not, my great-grandmother had the ability of foresight, my mom has the same thing except she experiences her foresight in dreams. After talking with my parents and explaining my altered awareness, I decided to temp fate and drive to my friends house, for at that point I didn't believe in fate or destiny. My friends house is only 2 miles away, in a straight line. I went 10 MPH under the speed limit and was incredibly too cautious, because all I could think about was what my mom had said.
Now at this point you may be thinking any range of things from "this kid's an idiot", "he deserves whatever he gets" or any combination of the two, and you're right, I tried to bend the rules of tripping and it bit me in the ass, overall I had an awful trip, I've never been more scared in my life, but I'm not writing this to ask for pity or whatever, I had an experience that night that I couldn't explain with words and it scared me more than anything in the world. I want to know if anyone has experienced anything similar.
After an hour of being at my friends house I had calmed down, we had set up the hookah and smoked down as well. I was feeling good and my friend recalled how he and I had met which lead to a discussion of a class he took Art history. About a minute into his monologue I realize his arms and legs were growing and shrinking and his face was doing the same, then all of his words become completely unintelligible and finally, I leaned back into my consciousness and asked myself "what the fuck was going on", I came to the realization that I was tripping balls, the hardest I'd ever tripped. It lasted for about 30 minutes and when I came out, I turned to my left and told my girlfriend about it, she told me she experienced the same exact thing, I asked "really?" and then everything looked different, it was as if a cover had been removed from my vision but only about an inch's worth (truly I can't describe it any better). I laid back on the couch with her we looked at each other and instantly I knew something, the most important thing I've ever known and we both exclaimed "It's part of what we can't remember!" and instantly the knowledge was gone and I couldn't remember it again. I also had the feeling that, that exact thing had happened before. She told me not to think about so as not to freak myself out and of course I did but I instantly got the feeling that there was a sub-plot of some sort going one (something I could only guess at but that everyone else was aware of) many would call that paranoia but it was different because it wasn't just a speculation, the way the people around me said things I knew they knew and weren't telling me.
After an hour of thinking to myself about the happenings only one thing was for sure, I couldn't remember what had happened in that 10 second instance. I had two questions however, was it real and was I human. The former for obvious reasons but the latter due to the fact that what I had felt afterwards was not human, it was completely alien.
I wanted to talk to her about it but she wouldn't in front of my friends so we went outside and we started to talk about and came to the conclusion that she couldn't remember a thing, she had no recollection of being inside. At that moment (the most scared I'd ever been)I called my dad and eventually he was on his way to get us, it was only 10:00 pm.
After awhile my dad came and we're driving east towards a stop sign and all of the sudden I get the most overwhelming feeling that I was going to die, there was no way past that stop sign but death, I commanded the car to be stopped and I got out. I was coo coo crazy ass, freaking out with no solid evidence to back my psychosis. I couldn't get in the car for fear of death and so my dad insisted on getting in the car, which to me made no sense because that was what was freaking me out. I was only 2 miles away from my house I was completely content to walk home and be safe but still my dad and girlfriend continued to insist on me getting in the car to the point they were saying the same things over and over, not making any new points, it seemed like a ploy to get me to trip death and at that fleeting thought I took off, running south.
I'm partially Native American and when I say partially I mean like 1/8 N.A, being that, I did get an uncanny sense of direction and even in my most hysterical drugged up state I still knew which way was north and which was was home.
As I'm walking down the road I notice that the asphalt had a very odd color to it and it wasn't even asphalt but a different material all together and under the asphalt itself. I assume the drugs and continue on with my journey when I noticed, how all of the tree's seem to be growing in a similar fashion along with points on the ground making out a giant web like shape on the earth, of which I had a vision about. Then I continued to look into the sky to see the same web like pattern in the stars, the same pattern that I had seen hours prior when my girlfriend had inadvertently drawn it in the tin-foil on the bowl for the hookah (after our experience). It was a pattern I'd never seen before and it was so beautiful, so symmetrical and so perfect, to put it simply, it couldn't have been human. I then had a vision of how connected my girlfriend and I really were, which lead me to believe that we were the same person living the same life and what shaped us differently was the way we reacted to life situations (makes sense right?) well then I realized that if I thought I was going to die in the car ride she would have too and then I got a sudden flash of headlights and a car accident and I assumed the worst, I even felt a burst of energy.
Needless to say, she didn't die, I was freaking out, the worst part was, I couldn't remember why. I did know that whatever happened that I couldn't remember, it was real, I did experience great knowledge, but I didn't fin out until the next time I tripped.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15759113 - 02/04/12 07:44 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Amazing story, thanks for sharing.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]  2
#15759377 - 02/04/12 10:40 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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no one can define what a Mystical experience is
On the contrary, MANY people have described mystical experience in the course of history, and some of those descriptions apply to a few experiences that I have been blessed with, "occasioned" [Huston Smith's term] by Entheogens.
You could start in the East, or the West, with the Vedas, the Upanishads or Bhagavad Gita in India, or with the Tao Te Ching, the I Ching, or, say, Chuang Tzu in China. Buddha can be represented by both, as well as in Tibet, Nepal, and Southeast Asia. Maybe Al Hallaj in the Middle East in ancient times, or Pir Vilayat, and Hazrat Inayat Khan in modern times. Plato, Plotinus, Iamblichus, and Porphyry are among my favorite Greek Pagan mystics, Paul of Tarsus, Jesus, of course, and an entire history of Christian mystics: John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila, Julian of Norwich, Nicholas of Cusa, Meister Eckhart, Pseudo-Dionysus, to name a handful, and Thomas Merton, Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, George Maloney (whom I met) in modern days. Abraham Abulafia, Isaac the Blind, Moses de Leon stand out as great Jewish mystics of old, but Martin Buber speaks most loudly in modern times.One of my favorite Western authors on mysticism is Evelyn Underhill, and in the East, Tibetan Buddhist Lama Anagarika Govinda, under whose influence and permission, I wrote my doctoral dissertation. Let's not forget people like Ram Dass and Eckhart Tolle (who took his first name from Meister Eckhart).
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 Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: cbub]
#15759387 - 02/04/12 10:47 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like the normal trajectory for a chemically-induced mystical experience.
Your life is your girlfriend's life in a way. You are the eyes of the world. And I believe you've also "been here before" and can't remember, that's because you've always been here... just not totally here.
http://www.wedietorememberwhatwelivetoforget.com/
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You could start in the East, or the West
Come now, Markos. Let's not give away the biggest secret in the beginning. 
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Jessica Swift said:
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You could start in the East, or the West
Come now, Markos. Let's not give away the biggest secret in the beginning.
"FUNNY THING ABOUT ALL THE SECRETS OF
THE EAST OR THE SECRETS OF MYSTICISM ...
THEY'RE NOT SECRET!
NOBODY'S SAYING "DON'T TELL HIM."
THEY'RE TELLING YOU. THEY'RE YELLING IT.
THEY'RE SAYING: "EXCEPT YE BE CONVERTED
AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YE SHALL
NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN."
THAT'S A SECRET?" - BE HERE NOW 
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15762883 - 02/05/12 03:11 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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what the fuck! 
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15762886 - 02/05/12 03:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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that is a very awesome vision you had, definitely read up on creative meditation you can learn to channel native american gods to guide you in your quest.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: g00ru]
#15763790 - 02/05/12 12:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Thank you very much, everyone, for your input. I'll definitely read up on some of this stuff, the best part is, that's not all of my mystical experience, I have another trip I experienced last weekend and that experience is what I consider to be my true mystical experience.
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MarkostheGnostic said:
no one can define what a Mystical experience is
Yes, one of the bigger things I learned from my mystical experience was that nothing is as it seems, we're all observing the world and everything we do is just a reaction to death, until you get out of that cycle of reacting to death. Therefore, everything perceived by everyone is different because everyone is different, even though we are all the same.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15763979 - 02/05/12 01:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said:
even though we are all the same.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: deCypher]
#15766329 - 02/05/12 11:48 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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even though we are all the same.
Because the universe is one
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15766332 - 02/05/12 11:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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"All is One" doesn't necessarily mean that the many are identical, though.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: deCypher]
#15777250 - 02/08/12 02:42 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
"All is One" doesn't necessarily mean that the many are identical, though.
Well, I didn't say that, I said we are all Us, there for we are the same, but being identical and being the same are- in terms of synonyms for similar- very different.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15777502 - 02/08/12 04:13 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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All experience is pretty mystical, but we normally shut this out until something makes us realize that experience is such a crazy complex idea.
The mystical experience comes from having thoughts and revelations that are not ones that you have experienced yet, and usually many at once opening up your doors to what you previously defined experience as which is usually pretty routine and repetitive.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: dkmonk]
#15777565 - 02/08/12 05:10 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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it's still totally blowing my mind, after all this time
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: cbub]
#15777575 - 02/08/12 05:16 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It never ceases to amaze me either. I enjoy being in awe of how my world works and what I think.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15778122 - 02/08/12 10:27 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said:
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deCypher said:
"All is One" doesn't necessarily mean that the many are identical, though.
Well, I didn't say that, I said we are all Us, there for we are the same, but being identical and being the same are- in terms of synonyms for similar- very different.
Aren't identical and being the same synonyms? How are you differentiating between the two? 
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: deCypher]
#15780655 - 02/08/12 09:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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Galidor4 said:
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deCypher said:
"All is One" doesn't necessarily mean that the many are identical, though.
Well, I didn't say that, I said we are all Us, there for we are the same, but being identical and being the same are- in terms of synonyms for similar- very different.
Aren't identical and being the same synonyms? How are you differentiating between the two?
Identical infers being completely the same, inside and out, it's a very specific word. It's really all about the specificity of the word. They may mean generally the same thing but if they completely, inside and out, meant the same thing, why would we have separate words.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15788567 - 02/10/12 04:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Galidor4 said:
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deCypher said:
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Galidor4 said:
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deCypher said:
"All is One" doesn't necessarily mean that the many are identical, though.
Well, I didn't say that, I said we are all Us, there for we are the same, but being identical and being the same are- in terms of synonyms for similar- very different.
Aren't identical and being the same synonyms? How are you differentiating between the two?
Identical infers being completely the same, inside and out, it's a very specific word. It's really all about the specificity of the word. They may mean generally the same thing but if they completely, inside and out, meant the same thing, why would we have separate words.
So... first you're saying that being identical and being the same are "very different"; now you're saying that they generally mean the same thing. Which is it? Oh, and we have plenty of words in the English language that mean the same thing... that's the joy of synonyms.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: deCypher]
#15792729 - 02/11/12 03:29 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Definition of Identical: similar or alike in every way
Definition of Same: being one or identical though having different names, aspects
If all synonymous words meant exactly the same thing through and through, there wouldn't be synonyms. However, that is not the case, we have words with similar meanings that are directed towards some kind of specific aspect.
This is stuff I learned in like what? 5th grade? Remember learning the difference between there, their and they're, same word, different meanings.
And since they are not IDENTICAL they are different, they're close to IDENTICAL but they are not.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: Galidor4]
#15793628 - 02/11/12 07:00 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Ummm...
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Galidor4 said:
Definition of Identical: similar or alike in every way
Definition of Same: being one or identical though having different names, aspects
Sure looks like these words can be used interchangeably to me. Example: Josh looks identical to Sam. Josh looks the same as Sam. No change of meaning was produced by substituting one synonym for the other.
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: deCypher]
#15796126 - 02/12/12 05:14 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Well I'm sorry your education in vocabulary is lacking.
Have you ever tried a psychoactive before? It opens your mind up to new ways of thinking, you should try it sometime.
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#15796133 - 02/12/12 05:17 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Re: My first "Mystical" experience [Re: deCypher]
#15805540 - 02/13/12 11:05 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
Ummm...
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Galidor4 said:
Definition of Identical: similar or alike in every way
Definition of Same: being one or identical though having different names, aspects
Sure looks like these words can be used interchangeably to me. Example: Josh looks identical to Sam. Josh looks the same as Sam. No change of meaning was produced by substituting one synonym for the other.
Josh looks identical to Sam. Josh looks the same as Sam.
Josh looks the same as Sam is very different from Josh looks identical to Sam, the latter infers that they may be wearing the same clothes or have the same hair, hell they could be identical twins (in the sense of the same egg) but they only look alike, they are not completely identical because of the fact that they have differing aspects to them- their personalities, the way the perceive and interpret the world around them. People can't be as identical as say a pair of oranges can be, we were made too complex. The former, infers no differing aspects.
That was the context in which I was inferring.
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