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 U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka "Go Fuck Yourself"  1
#15750423 - 02/02/12 05:59 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I've been reading and listening to him lately. His basic message is that there is no such thing as enlightenment, spirituality, or mysticism. It's all just self-gratifying bullshit that you've inherited from someone else.
One Amazon book review (the Mystique of Enlightenment) says:
"I really wish I never read this book, stay away from it. It opened my eyes to "things" and now I have no idea what to do. The real reason for me being spiritiual was for me to be special and know more than the next man and for people to garnish their attention on me. I always knew this but I was lying to myself. anyway, great book, dont read it. it will turn you upside down."
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Him on his deathbed. He seems more full of anger than truth. If it's all nonsense, as he says it is, then he spent the majority of his life talking about nonsense. Which is, respectfully, semi-retarded.
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 Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka "Go Fuck Yourself" [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15750469 - 02/02/12 06:43 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Duh. Everything is a load of shit.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka "Go Fuck Yourself" [Re: Bawks]
#15750559 - 02/02/12 07:43 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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lokk, the whole point about AUTHENTIC mythology--not the toxic patriarchal manipulating patriarchal kind we have all beeen drilled in--is it point to ambiguity. What this means is that YES, the body grows old and dies and decays, BUT there is also sacred.
Ie., you have two words 'mortal' and 'immortal' , they are not separate. IF you separate them--which most of the ideologies do now, then you get absurd ideas, either megolomanic visions of beciong or being able to become 'gods' who can live for ever, either physically or in some heaven or nirvana, OR nihilism where you think everything is meaningless and when yer dead your dead.
when you dont separate them and realize that reality is mysterious and embraces all possibilities and potentialities, and..... THEN you feel yourself into the ecstatic sense of life, and death
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka "Go Fuck Yourself" [Re: zzripz]
#15750910 - 02/02/12 10:51 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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The real reason for me being spiritiual was for me to be special and know more than the next man and for people to garnish their attention on me.
i see. maybe that's why this book ended up in his hands?
ask yourself. what are you about? finding truth or finding happiness. nobody said they're the same thing.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka "Go Fuck Yourself" [Re: cbub]
#15751006 - 02/02/12 11:26 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Sounds like he is in denial about his impending death from what you've mentioned. Bitterness happens. Listen to your heart. This is one mans personal experience put forth into bitterness. He lacks the heart to understand.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka "Go Fuck Yourself" [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15752629 - 02/02/12 07:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, U.G. gets straight to the point in my opinion. I rather like him. 
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Anything I do to help you would be adding to your misery--that's all. You add one more misery to those you already have by listening to me.
As for the video that you posted, I agree. He does seem rather angry. I'd say take what's good from him, and leave the bad behind.  As he said in the video, humans care about two things: survival and fucking. He always taught that the human animal was always in conflict with itself. Our experiences, whether spiritual or mystical, are all the cause of our suffering because we want to be something other than an animal.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka "Go Fuck Yourself" [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15752716 - 02/02/12 07:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I've watched that video a few times now and I can still only make out a few words of what he's saying 
but what I take away from it is that anyone who believes they are something is a fool. if that means believing you are an evolved creature or otherwise, knock it off idiot.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka "Go Fuck Yourself" [Re: Kickle]
#15753619 - 02/02/12 10:57 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Just another primate dealing with its 100 billion neuron brain and its latest illusion, 'death is the end'.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: circastes]
#15753677 - 02/02/12 11:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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minus the "just"
"another primate dealing with its 100 billion neuron brain and its latest illusion, 'death is the end'."
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: Kickle] 2
#15754169 - 02/03/12 01:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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From what I've seen and read of him, he just seems like a mediocre man with mediocre ideas. No light in him.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: Ginseng1]
#15754185 - 02/03/12 01:39 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Ginseng1 said:
From what I've seen and read of him, he just seems like a mediocre man with mediocre ideas. No light in him.
That's my understanding as well. I was just trying to see what people like in him.
He's a spiritual-less asshole but hangs around the spiritual community. Kind of awesome in a pathetic way.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15754403 - 02/03/12 03:00 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Jessica Swift said:
He's a spiritual-less asshole but hangs around the spiritual community. Kind of awesome in a pathetic way.
I'm just curious, what makes him spiritual-less? And by that contrast, what makes someone spiritual?
In my opinion, he's very "spiritual." He may be angry, but in my opinion, that's total surrendering to being. He's not trying to change anything, he's accepting things as they are. Being angry is okay. It's part of being human. He's just being human. 
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: r72rock]
#15754543 - 02/03/12 04:10 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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He must've been a grouch not because he surrendered to the heart, but because he surrendered to the mind. I never met him so ultimately I don't really know. Actually I kind of liked his style, and appreciated his uniqueness. However, like someone has said here, he simply didn't have the heart for it. Not delicate enough. He appears much too abrasive. And such a one I don't think had the experience in order to inspires other for deep transformation. I suppose that's what Jess was alluding to, that he was a prominent name in spiritual circles with many followers, yet he was dry. And going by what OP said about what he was about, it sounds like he was more about making people dry up and lose trust. Unlike others whose direction is like sweet nectar.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: r72rock]
#15754655 - 02/03/12 05:23 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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r72rock said:
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Jessica Swift said:
He's a spiritual-less asshole but hangs around the spiritual community. Kind of awesome in a pathetic way.
I'm just curious, what makes him spiritual-less? And by that contrast, what makes someone spiritual?
In my opinion, he's very "spiritual." He may be angry, but in my opinion, that's total surrendering to being. He's not trying to change anything, he's accepting things as they are. Being angry is okay. It's part of being human. He's just being human.
Yea, I get the whole shtick he's running with, but it's also a game. There is no such thing as a gameless enterprise with humanity. We're all running social scripts and mental programs, regardless of your culture or ideology (or supposedly lack thereof).
My only point is it's a laugh fest that in most of his lectures he just dismisses everything, but he has an emotional involvement - an attachment to his opposition. A funny thing, no? to get emotional about something that supposedly isn't real. The equivalent is hating soccer, and yet going to every game and following the players and fans around... all the while claiming the game doesn't exist.
There is no such thing as soccer, really. It's an arbitrary game that we made up. Mysticism could be a similar endeavor, but what's the point in bitching about a game?
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15756004 - 02/03/12 03:26 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I get what you're saying. He's just playing a different game. He does seem to get angry a lot, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I do think that's kind of waste of energy to get that angry.
I suppose I'm still curious though, if that's not spiritual, than what is?
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: r72rock]
#15756038 - 02/03/12 03:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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r72rock said:
I suppose I'm still curious though, if that's not spiritual, than what is?
To my own mind, the notion of spirituality is inseparable from bliss.
If awareness pisses you off, you're more than likely just entertaining delusion.
Every story and concept, every stimuli, every thought, is a passing image on a screen. Eat the popcorn and enjoy the Cartesian Theater. He's the guy who yells at the black lady on her cell phone, forgetting there is no audience. Even the attendees are in your movie!
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15757488 - 02/03/12 09:26 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Jessica Swift said:
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r72rock said:
I suppose I'm still curious though, if that's not spiritual, than what is?
To my own mind, the notion of spirituality is inseparable from bliss.
If awareness pisses you off, you're more than likely just entertaining delusion.
Every story and concept, every stimuli, every thought, is a passing image on a screen. Eat the popcorn and enjoy the Cartesian Theater. He's the guy who yells at the black lady on her cell phone, forgetting there is no audience. Even the attendees are in your movie!
cool tunes, bby.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15757681 - 02/03/12 10:04 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Jessica Swift said:
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r72rock said:
I suppose I'm still curious though, if that's not spiritual, than what is?
To my own mind, the notion of spirituality is inseparable from bliss.
Hmmm. So if I slap a current to your reward center and/or dose you with a drug that unleashes a torrent of dopamine without too many unpleasant side effects, is that spiritual? 
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: Jessica Swift]
#15758177 - 02/04/12 12:13 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Jessica Swift said:
To my own mind, the notion of spirituality is inseparable from bliss.
I've always felt "spirituality" to be nothing but clarity. All the blissful experiences I've had, did nothing to help me. At the beginning I found them to be somewhat of an addiction, wanting to replicate them. But then you grow tired of them.
I've observed what U.G. talks about the body wanting to throw any and all experience out, even bliss is painful to the body. The body is only interested in the sensitivity and clarity of the senses.
I discovered U.G. when I first began to explore the spiritual side of things a long time ago. I kind of just dismissed him at first, and I continued along the traditional route for years. Until eventually something changed and realized he was right all along...
If you dig deeper and read some of the stories around his life. He isn't as cold as you are making him out to be. People like to only show the fiery and eruptive side of him. He becomes more controversial that way.
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Re: U.G. Krishnamurti on Enlightenment, aka [Re: deCypher]
#15758464 - 02/04/12 01:46 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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He isn't as cold as you are making him out to be.
I'm aware I'm being a bit dramatic about him. And I agree with you about spirituality instilling "clarity." I can't say for certain what it is or isn't for everyone, as even in my own life it constantly changes. 
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Hmmm. So if I slap a current to your reward center and/or dose you with a drug that unleashes a torrent of dopamine without too many unpleasant side effects, is that spiritual?
We're getting there, captain.
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