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low carb is definitely good, don't listen to uzziel. Carbs are the one thing your body does NOT need... fat and protein it MUST have, carbs are optional.

But Atkins has it wrong. i agree with daz01, look into paleo or primal blueprint.

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low carb is definitely good, don't listen to uzziel. Carbs are the one thing your body does NOT need... fat and protein it MUST have, carbs are optional.

But Atkins has it wrong. i agree with daz01, look into paleo or primal blueprint.

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Since when has whole grains?

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I've spent the past 3 years studying nutrition so I can be a nutritionist

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And i'm willing to bet that the school you went to was endorsed and backed by major grain companies that fuel most of the shitty food that you consider 'main staple'.

Corn/soy and corn/soy byproducts are in just about everything nowdays, and not because it's good for you. Because it's cheap and cost effective. Too much carbohydrate intake is one of the main reasons why america has so many fat fucks, coped with the laziness, lack of self discipline and exercise.

High fat/protein and low carb is the way to go for me. It's been several months now and im fucking lean as i've ever been and am running 30 miles a week plus doing high intensity uphill sprints and playing sports on the weekend. 300g of carbs a day? Psh.

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Since when has whole grains?

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Ever since whole grains were invented by man. Bread or any type of grain doesn't occur in nature by itself(except corn if you consider that a grain). Fat and protein are almost always found in conjunction with eachother everywhere in nature. Animal meat, nuts, veggies, etc.

Sure, we do need carbs, and I recommend getting them from veggies and fruits, but the 300g a day that the FDA recommends is beyond bollocks. One should stick to 100g a day or even less, i'm at about 50g a day and I feel much better, have much more energy, my allergies are gone... and i'm even more lean then I was before I started this.

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grains are lousy carbs... who the fuck is talking about grains? the only thing more highly inflammatory then grains is meat and animal fats... but this is the biggest bunch of shit i've ever heard regarding complex carbs... our body uses carbs for energy... schools are conspiring... grain schools... fuck grains... you need 70 grams of protein tops as an average man... at your 50grams a day you're eating 200 calories in carbs... this is a breeding ground for disease... fucking inflammation... it's your body... you go from what the fuck am i gonna do, to i got all of the answers... how many calories do you eat a day? 2600? 2400 calories in fat and protein... shit less then two weeks ago you were relying on carbs in the form of alcohol. or was that someone else? maybe this is some kind of fucking placebo effect you're experiencing... you know the power oft he placebo effect... aren't you the one who ranted about the power of the placebo effect? maybe you're experiencing this because you want it to happen... the HIH and CDC say an average man needs 70grams of protein a  day max... that's another 280 calories a day.... that leaves you with 2120 calories of fat per day... yum yum yum... or is the NIH and CDC wrong regarding protein?


i'm thriving hard core on 60% or more in carbs... plants, very few grains... i've never felt better... i'm 41 and i feel like 18 again...  get back to me in a year... and grains were the byproduct of nature dude... this is beyond even today's science, ti create new life forms... man discovered them and ate them... evolution man... you're talking cave man when you're talking paleo... good luck on your high fat diet...

look at a guy like Gary Null... he's been doing great... he's been a vegan since the age of 5.;.. he's now 68 and he's gotten no more then 70 grams a day, unless he's lying... he's broken all kinds of records for short and long distance running... i can only hope i live as half as vibrantly at that age...


there's a huge difference between grains and vegetables


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Since when has whole grains?

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Ever since whole grains were invented by man. Bread or any type of grain doesn't occur in nature by itself(except corn if you consider that a grain). Fat and protein are almost always found in conjunction with eachother everywhere in nature. Animal meat, nuts, veggies, etc.

Sure, we do need carbs, and I recommend getting them from veggies and fruits, but the 300g a day that the FDA recommends is beyond bollocks. One should stick to 100g a day or even less, i'm at about 50g a day and I feel much better, have much more energy, my allergies are gone... and i'm even more lean then I was before I started this.

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grains are lousy carbs... who the fuck is talking about grains? the only thing more highly inflammatory then grains is meat and animal fats... but this is the biggest bunch of shit i've ever heard regarding complex carbs... our body uses carbs for energy... schools are conspiring... grain schools... fuck grains... you need 70 grams of protein tops as an average man... at your 50grams a day you're eating 200 calories in carbs... this is a breeding ground for disease... fucking inflammation... it's your body... you go from what the fuck am i gonna do, to i got all of the answers... how many calories do you eat a day? 2600? 2400 calories in fat and protein... shit less then two weeks ago you were relying on carbs in the form of alcohol. or was that someone else? maybe this is some kind of fucking placebo effect you're experiencing... you know the power oft he placebo effect... aren't you the one who ranted about the power of the placebo effect? maybe you're experiencing this because you want it to happen... the HIH and CDC say an average man needs 70grams of protein a  day max... that's another 280 calories a day.... that leaves you with 2120 calories of fat per day... yum yum yum... or is the NIH and CDC wrong regarding protein?


i'm thriving hard core on 60% or more in carbs... plants, very few grains... i've never felt better... i'm 41 and i feel like 18 again...  get back to me in a year... and grains were the byproduct of nature dude... this is beyond even today's science, ti create new life forms... man discovered them and ate them... evolution man... you're talking cave man when you're talking paleo... good luck on your high fat diet...

look at a guy like Gary Null... he's been doing great... he's been a vegan since the age of 5.;.. he's now 68 and he's gotten no more then 70 grams a day, unless he's lying... he's broken all kinds of records for short and long distance running... i can only hope i live as half as vibrantly at that age...


there's a huge difference between grains and vegetables


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hello walking contradiction:

http://www.heartlandnaturopathic.com/irdiet.htm

Thats the link you keep spamming in several threads. Pretty sure the article confirms that grains and most starches are one of the biggest problems. quoted from your own link:

"PROBLEM CARBOHYDRATES (refined and starchy) – The cause of the problem!

·    No potatoes or simple sugars/carbohydrates (common table sugar, fructose, sweets, cookies, candy, ice cream, pastries, honey, fruit juice, soda pop, alcoholic beverages, etc.). Anything that tastes sweet (including artificial sweeteners and Stevia) may raise insulin levels, thus aggravating IR and perpetuating the cravings for sweets. As IR improves, sweet cravings usually decrease.

·    Almost no grain products (breads, pasta, cornbread, corn tortillas, crackers, popcorn, etc.) and no refined grains/carbohydrates (white flour products, white pasta, white rice, etc.).

·    Whole grains (whole brown rice, wheat, rye, barley and buckwheat) only in very small amounts."

"PROTEINS

·    Consume moderate amounts of leaner meats, seafood and fish. The best are wild fish, wild game, free-range chicken & turkey, range-fed beef, lamb, buffalo and naturally grown pork. Grain-fed means more saturated fats and omega-6 oils. Wild and range-fed means less of these and more omega-3s. The more omega-3s the better. Feeding grain to animals, like cows, that were meant to eat grass is not healthy for the animal nor the person eating the animal."

"FATS

·    Consume moderate amounts of healthy oils. A low-fat diet is not healthy, nor is it compatible with this diet. "


soooo um, where do you stand exactly again? I pretty much reaffirmed most of what your article said, get carbs from fruits and veggies, and stay away from grains and other refined shit. Also to eat lotsa good protein and fats.

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Ever since whole grains were invented by man. Bread or any type of grain doesn't occur in nature by itself(except corn if you consider that a grain). Fat and protein are almost always found in conjunction with eachother everywhere in nature. Animal meat, nuts, veggies, etc.

Sure, we do need carbs, and I recommend getting them from veggies and fruits, but the 300g a day that the FDA recommends is beyond bollocks. One should stick to 100g a day or even less, i'm at about 50g a day and I feel much better, have much more energy, my allergies are gone... and i'm even more lean then I was before I started this.

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grains are lousy carbs... who the fuck is talking about grains? the only thing more highly inflammatory then grains is meat and animal fats... but this is the biggest bunch of shit i've ever heard regarding complex carbs... our body uses carbs for energy... schools are conspiring... grain schools... fuck grains... you need 70 grams of protein tops as an average man... at your 50grams a day you're eating 200 calories in carbs... this is a breeding ground for disease... fucking inflammation... it's your body... you go from what the fuck am i gonna do, to i got all of the answers... how many calories do you eat a day? 2600? 2400 calories in fat and protein... shit less then two weeks ago you were relying on carbs in the form of alcohol. or was that someone else? maybe this is some kind of fucking placebo effect you're experiencing... you know the power oft he placebo effect... aren't you the one who ranted about the power of the placebo effect? maybe you're experiencing this because you want it to happen... the HIH and CDC say an average man needs 70grams of protein a  day max... that's another 280 calories a day.... that leaves you with 2120 calories of fat per day... yum yum yum... or is the NIH and CDC wrong regarding protein?


i'm thriving hard core on 60% or more in carbs... plants, very few grains... i've never felt better... i'm 41 and i feel like 18 again...  get back to me in a year... and grains were the byproduct of nature dude... this is beyond even today's science, ti create new life forms... man discovered them and ate them... evolution man... you're talking cave man when you're talking paleo... good luck on your high fat diet...

look at a guy like Gary Null... he's been doing great... he's been a vegan since the age of 5.;.. he's now 68 and he's gotten no more then 70 grams a day, unless he's lying... he's broken all kinds of records for short and long distance running... i can only hope i live as half as vibrantly at that age...


there's a huge difference between grains and vegetables


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hello walking contradiction:

http://www.heartlandnaturopathic.com/irdiet.htm

Thats the link you keep spamming in several threads. Pretty sure the article confirms that grains and most starches are one of the biggest problems. quoted from your own link:

"PROBLEM CARBOHYDRATES (refined and starchy) – The cause of the problem!

·    No potatoes or simple sugars/carbohydrates (common table sugar, fructose, sweets, cookies, candy, ice cream, pastries, honey, fruit juice, soda pop, alcoholic beverages, etc.). Anything that tastes sweet (including artificial sweeteners and Stevia) may raise insulin levels, thus aggravating IR and perpetuating the cravings for sweets. As IR improves, sweet cravings usually decrease.

·    Almost no grain products (breads, pasta, cornbread, corn tortillas, crackers, popcorn, etc.) and no refined grains/carbohydrates (white flour products, white pasta, white rice, etc.).

·    Whole grains (whole brown rice, wheat, rye, barley and buckwheat) only in very small amounts."

"PROTEINS

·    Consume moderate amounts of leaner meats, seafood and fish. The best are wild fish, wild game, free-range chicken & turkey, range-fed beef, lamb, buffalo and naturally grown pork. Grain-fed means more saturated fats and omega-6 oils. Wild and range-fed means less of these and more omega-3s. The more omega-3s the better. Feeding grain to animals, like cows, that were meant to eat grass is not healthy for the animal nor the person eating the animal."

"FATS

·    Consume moderate amounts of healthy oils. A low-fat diet is not healthy, nor is it compatible with this diet. "


soooo um, where do you stand exactly again? I pretty much reaffirmed most of what your article said, get carbs from fruits and veggies, and stay away from grains and other refined shit. Also to eat lotsa good protein and fats.

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walking contradiction? i consume about 25% fats... 15% protein... and the rest carbs... how am i a walking contradiction?


YOUR NOT EATING ANY FUCKING VEGETABLES OR FRUIT!!! YOU'RE EATING 50 GRAMS OF CARBS... THE DIET CLEARLY  SAYS EAT LOTS AND LOTS OF CARBS... BUT YOU FORGOT TO CUT AND PASTE THAT... HERE I'LL ADD IT FOR YOU!!!

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·    Small amounts of fruit are OK but eat it with protein meals and not alone. Berries are best. No dried fruit.

·    Eat lots and lots of non-starchy vegetables. Raw or lightly cooked is best. These should be the main source of carbohydrates in the diet. Fresh vegetables are best, frozen is OK but canned is to be avoided except for canned tomatoes and tomato sauce.

·  Legumes (beans, peas, peanuts, soybeans, soy products, etc.) have a low glycemic index so are OK.

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what's the definition of moderate amounts of protein? the definition of moderate in my book is less... use moderate amounts she says.... eat lots and lots and lots and lots of carbs




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·    Consume moderate amounts of healthy oils. A low-fat diet is not healthy, nor is it compatible with this diet.

·    Healthy oils are: Monounsaturated oils (olive, canola, nuts). Polyunsaturated oils that are high in omega-3 oils (canola, flax, fish oils, walnuts). Saturated fats from vegetable sources (coconut, palm, avocado).

·    Limit animal sources of saturated fats as found in dairy products (cheese, butter, etc.) and most commercial red meats.

·    Freely add healthy oils to salads, sauces for vegetables and when cooking lean meats. Natural palm and coconut oil are excellent for cooking and frying. Flax oil is high in omega-3 oils but goes rancid very easily so refrigerate and do not heat and add only after cooking.

·    No hydrogenated oils and limit fried foods. Some low-heat frying with natural palm and coconut oil is okay.

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Yeah, I only eat around 50-70g of carbs after dietary fiber is subtracted from net carbs. If you saw the shit I consumed on a daily basis I doubt you'd be all butthurt.

Unless your like me and the first thing you eat in the morning is a salad and put lots of cayenne pepper in your fruit smoothie, then i suggest find someone else to preach too my diet isn't perfect but its pretty beast and took lots of discipline to get into.

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fucking butthurt? you crack me up... and you compare the diet i'm promoting as if it's something you're following, when you're clearly not... paleo... atkins... same shit... i'm glad it's working for you and to be honest i'm not too proud of myself for going off like that but clearly you're condemning solid complex carbs, that provide the vitamins and minerals you'll be missing, let alone the phytonutreins and enzymes but this is your thing... just don't go implying all complex carbs are bad because you were relying on simple carbs... FACT!

but how can you be absolutely sure this isn't some kind of placebo effect at play here? i mean you were pretty down on the way things were going at one point in your life that any type of change could have had just as a profound effect on you. shit man, you could've switched from eating Corn Flakes to eating Wheaties and achieved the same results if you just put your mind to it... but no, you had to walk into the middle of my thread and suck up to a mod who was debating me over intravenous vitamin c being used to treat cancer... well guess what man? i just provided him with a link to the university of Kansas where they're not only using it, they are applying the diet and meditative practice used by orthomolecular medicine...HERE'S THE LINK TO JUST ONE UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL APPLYING IV C TO TREAT CANCER. ONE OUT OF CLOSE TO THREE DOZEN... now you're going to say, hey man, that's not true, i was suggesting you were being ripped off by your doctor and that you didn't have heavy metal issues... well i'm going to say it again pal... he told me what metaLs i must have been handling without me even saying shit about it, but you rationalized it by saying, "well you know he could have easily looked up any information he needed to know about you over the internet!!!" OK, you look up Kensho Falco over the internet and tell me all about me... fuck you man... he accurately identified every single metal found in the inhibitors i handled regularly... the copper has been directly linked to schizophrenia and psychosis in bipolar and the fucking arsenic was starving my cells of oxygen... but again, you said he used tricks to accomplish this... do you know that my MD is recognized through out the fucking world? that he's setting up a video data base for future MD's to review to get a brief handle on his observations after working as a chief pathologist at a huge hospital for well over 25 years and then went onto open 4 clinics located in various locations throughout the country? and that he's developed a encyclopedia on integrative health care practice? AND HE HAS DOZENS OF DVD'S FOR THE LAYMAN TO TREAT THEMSELVES WHEN THEIR OWN MD FALLS WAY SHORT OF THE FINISH LINE... am i being butt hurt that you have the fucking balls to criticize a man who has done more in his life then your MD could only dream of? i wouldn't consider this butt hurt, i consider it complete disdain for you... he has close to 50 years of experience with every disease out there... he's fucking pioneered the many uses of injectable glutathione, established solid protocols for IV C among god knows how many other fucking protocol achievements he's made... and you have the fucking balls to come in out of nowhere and lay this shit on me... i just put up two of his videos on gout in a gout thread that is still active in this forum... why don't you watch the vids and tell me just how much of a rip off quack he is. tell me where he's wrong in saying everyone is wrong regarding uric acid in the body... maybe you know something about this...

and when you reached out to me, wanting to do Skype i was like "look at this mother fucker dropping back into my life out of nowhere" i laughed my fucking ass off... normally i always go out of my way to help people... i can show you a list of PM's i've received from others. and a list of my wall text replies... but for you i just couldn't do it man, not after what you pulled on me, trying to trip me up in front of a moderator, sucking his ass in one huge gang up with that retard cherokee... did you know that cherokee sent me a PM weeks before thanking me for putting shit out there... he said he started to do the things i was suggesting to others and it was working for him... he's a strange mother fucker, saying hey man, thank! and then pulling your shit... there's something wrong with that dude, i even pointed out the PM he sent me and sent him a copy of what he sent me and he still tried to say my MD was ripping me off... i'm not sure what he is to be honest... even my psychologist reviewed his PM and his posts and she said she'd really have to spend time with him to be certain. anyway, i digress as a sometimes Dooooo!!!! i save every PM i receive... but i deleted yours immediately man... do you know how many people i've referred to my MD? almost two dozen, and every single one of them have been helped to the degree that they are off all of their meds... has your MD been able to remove just one patient off any med? short of you stopping adderal?

i used to respond to your pleas as anonymous, but i did it in a way where i didn't go off on my long rants on what i would do if i were you... i did keep it cool as to not make it obvious... but i never made any attempt to use capital letters and i phrased things in a way to tip my hand because i wanted you to know it was me... and i have a real strong gut feeling you knew it was me too... that's the way i wanted it... i wanted to play the same fucking head games you tried to play on me....... i asked you, what makes you think you're suffering from deersonalization/derealization... i asked for you to describe some of your experiences in order to try at least ease your mind that you weren't but you failed to reply... that was going to be my one attempt to help you. but you made sure you had the last word in regarding the fucking placebo effect in my thread... my wife tried to pull a placebo on me when i was still drinking coffee by trying to use Maxwell house instead of Folgers and i knew first sip i was drinking Maxwell house... i've always been pretty difficult to trip over man, but you managed to do it... kudo's bro!!! a complete stranger fucked with my head out of desperation trying to defend an honest man to who? you? my wife and sister said fuck this dude, don't let him get to you!!! but when i received your PM. i just couldn't let it go... i even asked the great spirit for guidance... i don't know if you believe in that shit but i do... i'm kind of a blend between Pantheism, Taoism/Buddhism and just a lil sprinkle of new age Jesus... i'm being serious... i even thought about you one day when i was tripping out in the woods with my dogs, days after receiving your PM and it started to ruin my trip man, so much so, i just sat on the ground and started to think about trees... i just started thinking about every single fucking tree around me... i began to practice mindfulness right the on the spot... i began to try to live in the moment instead of the past and it worked like a fucking dream. you were no longer a worry of mine.... maybe one day i'll PM you my Skype and leave it up to you, but right now you represent too much negative energy for me at the moment. how you could fuck with somebody like that is beyond the pale... you saw how important me putting this information out there and you tried to trip me over... tell me man, is it some sort of placebo that i no longer express symptoms of bipolar and schizophrenia? is this some sort of placebo effect too? because if it is, how can you be so fucking sure your diet change isn't a placebo effect? maybe if you put your mind to it you can convince your subconscious that you can survive on eating shredded cardboard... all you'd have to do is sprinkle a little spice on it in order to involve the sense  of taste into the experience... the more senses you can involve in the experience the easier it is to trick the subconscious... i learned this little trick from my somatic psychologist the mind over body... body over mind shit... powerful shit... you should know!!! you went out of your way to explain my experience to me... well now i'm just explaining your experiences to you... let's see how many years it''l take before your body finally trips up.... i'll always be a member of the Shroomery regardless where my life will lead in the near future and i've got it set up that i receive a PM when ever anyone sends me a PM, so feel free to admit how this caused cancer or some shit, cause then i'll be able to remind you to try IV C first, before chemo or radiation...

(edit) and i forgot top mention in my last post... you made it a point to point out that i spam a stinking link as opposed to typing out a fucking wall of text... well guess what? you better get over it because i'm gonna continue spamming since you consider this some sort of spamming... what should i do? tell them to look for a thread? after doing this for a month you'll be accusing me of spamming that shit too! yeah, you batter get used to it... either that or place me on ignore, because i'm telling you now, doing this will not bother me in the least... i already have one person ignoring me, there was two but one decided to stop blocking me for some reason, so you won't be the first and i'm fucking sure as fuck you won't be my last...


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Lol at the nutrition major not realising he has been taught a lie.

Newsflash, grains are toxic. They are nutritionally empty, they are extremely inflammatory and inhibit nutrient absorption.... That's to name a few.
Agriculture first came about 10, 000 years ago in EU, 5, 000 in us. That's when we went down hill. Excess food > growing population > illnesses and diseases become the highly norm in our culture.

It is common sense, LOGICAL, that we should try and follow the diet, best we can,  our ancestors who suffered and made us who we today with the foods they are then (meat, fish, veg, fruit, seeds, nuts, plants)

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i'm not too proud of myself for going off like that but clearly you're condemning solid complex carbs

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Good, you shouldn't be proud because you're wrong. I promote vegetables and eat them on a daily basis. Did you fail to read my post and see that I eat a fucking salad for breakfast? Whens the last time you shoveled a good sized salad down your piehole the first thing when you woke up? Chances are probably never

Grains are bad, don't care how you look at em. There are much better options available that nature offers that doesn't require refining or any other synthetic method to create them. Like uh.. vegetables?!

As far as your IV VitC goes, im glad its working for you, placebo or no placebo

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Lol at the nutrition major not realising he has been taught a lie.

Newsflash, grains are toxic. They are nutritionally empty, they are extremely inflammatory and inhibit nutrient absorption.... That's to name a few.
Agriculture first came about 10, 000 years ago in EU, 5, 000 in us. That's when we went down hill. Excess food > growing population > illnesses and diseases become the highly norm in our culture.

It is common sense, LOGICAL, that we should try and follow the diet, best we can,  our ancestors who suffered and made us who we today with the foods they are then (meat, fish, veg, fruit, seeds, nuts, plants)

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Yeah, I only eat around 50-70g of carbs after dietary fiber is subtracted from net carbs. If you saw the shit I consumed on a daily basis I doubt you'd be all butthurt.

Unless your like me and the first thing you eat in the morning is a salad and put lots of cayenne pepper in your fruit smoothie, then i suggest find someone else to preach too my diet isn't perfect but its pretty beast and took lots of discipline to get into.

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Daz never said fruits and veggies are bad. He said grains were bad. Did you not read his post or something?

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Like I said: Provide some proof. I already stated "don't give me psuedo bro science"

If you got proof of your statement, let science back it up. Until then, have fun. PS: veggies and fruits are carbs. Oh noes!

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i'm not too proud of myself for going off like that but clearly you're condemning solid complex carbs

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Good, you shouldn't be proud because you're wrong. I promote vegetables and eat them on a daily basis. Did you fail to read my post and see that I eat a fucking salad for breakfast? Whens the last time you shoveled a good sized salad down your piehole the first thing when you woke up? Chances are probably never

Grains are bad, don't care how you look at em. There are much better options available that nature offers that doesn't require refining or any other synthetic method to create them. Like uh.. vegetables?!

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i had a total of 4 treatments using IV C, because it has to be used with the chelator, but you were the knuckle head who said the metal's were all in my head and accused my doctor of ripping me off, you know, the old placebo effect... i didn't have cancer idiot, i didn't need a longer use of IV C then necessary to pull the metals...

let's see... what exactly does a VEGAN eat for breakfast?  DOHHHH!!! maybe a fucking salad? maybe a fucking huge salad... i mean, i just got done saying about 55-60% of my diet calories is vegetables. man, i knew you weren't the sharpest knife in the drawer but you're turning out to be quite a blunt butter knife... i avoid grains all together really... it's not unusual for a loaf of whole grain bread to go stale. i'm not a vegetarian... what stands out in my sig? DOOHHH!!! GO VEGAN!

OK, so you eat 50 grams of carbs each day. how many calories do you eat each day? because according to my carb calculator you're eating 200 calories in carbs. i had to get the calculator out just to be sure... how many calories are you eating? how much protein are you eating? let's just assume your splitting it right down the middle. i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. 2400 calories? is this safe to assume? after carbs, that leaves 2200 calories split down the middle between protein and fats. 92% of your diet is proteins and fats. and you're eating grain fed meat, loaded with hormones and antibiotics and probably adrenaline since the cattle have to be freaking the fuck out and since they're pretty much standing still and not running around the pastures that adrenaline is never burned in the muscle. you don't think you wouldn't be producing adrenaline while hearing the sound of the machinery that's about to take your life... have you ever seen "earthlings"? the cattle refuse to walk up the ramp and have to be cattle prodded along the entire length of the ramp... you don't think they're producing tremendous amounts of adrenaline under these conditions? they're probably releasing adrenaline the moment they're loaded onto the truck... this sounds yummy to me... so between the growth hormones, antibiotics and adrenaline you got yourself one happy meal there.

ohh, you're eating chicken... same shit, hormones and antibiotics... maybe not too much in the way of adrenaline because chickens, as much as i like a chicken, they're a little less aware of whats going on... yeah, there's a guy in the spiritual forum who was telling me about the butcher process on factory farms in Australia... he said the chickens just looked at him with this dumb look but the cattle knew they had it coming... these were his exact words... i can dig up the thread if you'd like... i'm not saying chickens aren't sentient beings but cattle are definitely more aware of whats about to happen...

ohhh... ohh ... you eat fish!!! great!! fish farming use the highest amounts on antibiotics out of all of the factory farming processes per pound of meat in order to kill off bacteria that rapidly accumulate in the over crowded growing ponds... so not only are they laden with antibiotics they are nutritionally weak compared top their bro's that grow in the wild... very little omega 3's plus they have to add chemicals to the ponds to reinvigorate the natural color. who knows what these chemicals can do to you if they're able to restore natural color to the fish... then they're parasites that survive the antibiotics. and there are parasites in fish, at least that's what the consumer agencies are reporting... you see, the last thing our government wants to do is raise awareness on what's in our food... Hmmmmm... good stuff...

do you know that the united states and china are the only two developed countries that allow the use of growth hormones? and we far out lead in the use of antibiotics, even over china according to what i've read... and if you use dairy, well you have the growth hormones and antibiotics of course but you also have a maximum amount of an established safety limit of puss in your milk and dairy, plus other biological components i'm not quite clear of what they are... but i'm not wasting my time checking it out because i don't have to worry about it you see... but if i did eat and drink the shit I'd sure as hell would want to know what half that shit is... thank god the FDA and USDA are looking out for you by establishing maximum allowable limits... thank god they're looking out for you and not the profitability of the farms themselves... after all, we need to have our cattle raised on grains when their digestive tract was designed to eat nothing but grass... hey!!! wasn't it you who said that grains cause inflammation? was it you or the guy standing behind you? that's it, turn around and look... do you think it's a good idea to eat meat that has been inflamed all it's growing life? and then there's the issue of feeding cattle cattle... that's right, they take remaining scraps of animals and combine it in the feed.. and then we have the issue of mad cows disease... it takes a specific amount of time for a cow to express outward symptoms of bovine spongiform encephalopathy... so if they're processing animals fast enough they never show signs... but here is the problem... many of them do express signs but make it into the processing plant as long as they can walk up the ramp... these are the established rules... some cattle are so wasted they have to be fork trucked into separate trucks but you won't see that personally because you eat well those cattle meet McDonalds and the rest of the fast food chains standards... don't believe me? i can very easily post the full version of earthlings for you've to watch... you like using that little popcorn eating greamlin... well you can make yourself a big bag of popcorn and watch the documentary... just let me know, i have it in my Utube files, just ready for a carnivore to watch... i didn't make any of this shit up... it's either in the documentary or on the net... you know what? don't let me know, i'm just gonna put it up... i'll just see how many hit's it gets, because i sure as hell know i wont get a comment. i may have already posted it here already, i know i posted it in another forum and i've put it up on other sites too.

so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and giver you 10 years before you develop some kind of disorder... red meat has recently been linked to diabetes... it's already linked to colon cancer... some of the experts claim it's due to the growth hormones coming in dierect contact with the colon walls... 18 hours of transit time through the colon before elimination... eating it everyday, so the colon is exposed to the hormone pretty much 24 hours around the clock... but there are studies that have proven there is an indirect relationship between getting colon cancer and the use of specific supplements... these were in studies i found on PubMed... some of the researchers were so impressed some of them said these results can't be ignored and further studies must be done, so there you go, prove me wrong by using the specific supplements... but i'm not gonna tell you what the supplements they are, i'll let you search PubMed for the info for yourself... after all, this your colon we're talking about here, not mine...

and like i've said, if a world class runner like gary null who really isn't primarily a runner in life can eat 80 grams of protein a day since he was 5 and he's now 68 or so. well, i want some of that... i look at meat eaters at that age and i swear they sometimes look hollow inside... kind of dead, like the meat they eat... and converting huge amounts of solid vegetable carbs isn't going to cause me any sugar issues, so don't you worry your head about me, worry about this quality of meet and fat you're eating.


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thodub said:
Everyone knows excess carbs turn into unnecessary fat that it why I am weary of having a large carb intake. I'd rather get most of my energy from lean protein and some fat but of course I know your body does need some carbs to function so I try to incorporate some into my diet especially after a hard workout where my body will make the best use of them. Too much protein is a myth and for people that body build over 100g per day is not unheard of.

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anyone have tips for when I crave things that are not allowed, especially when I am in this introduction phase?

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Eat breakfast everyday first thing when you wake, even when you don't feel like it.  Eggs are incredible, as the slogan states.  A good breakfast has a huge impact on reducing food cravings later in the day.

Get high % cocoa bar, the fancy kind, and have a little bit of that when you need a sweet fix, it is good for you.

It is important that you develop a routiene that you can stick to, make it a lifestyle change not a diet.  When you slip up, and we all do, don't try to starve yourself to make up for it, just get back onto the routiene ASAP and stay focused on the long term.

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Just show me some proof, and I'll believe you.

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i just got done saying about 55-60% of my diet calories is vegetables

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i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt. 2400 calories?

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ohh, you're eating chicken... same shit, hormones and antibiotics

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ohhh... ohh ... you eat fish!!! great!! fish farming use the highest amounts on antibiotics out of all of the factory farming processes per pound of meat in order to kill off bacteria that rapidly accumulate in the over crowded growing ponds

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so i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and giver you 10 years before you develop some kind of disorder...

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Kinda like how you got your 'schizoaffective' disorder?

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i had a total of 4 treatments using IV C, because it has to be used with the chelator, but you were the knuckle head who said the metal's were all in my head and accused my doctor of ripping me off, you know, the old placebo effect... i didn't have cancer idiot, i didn't need a longer use of IV C then necessary to pull the metals...

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Aren't we humans such amazing creatures? We have a profound ability to take words someone said in the past, twist them into shit and make it look like they said something completely different. I never accused your doctor of shit. What I did say, was that there's basically no way for you to know for sure and it's all credulous at best. But I guess you missed that, and also missed how I said 'hey, if it works for YOU though, then have a great day fucker!' But it doesn't seem like you have any peripheral vision... hmm maybe a lack of protein?

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and when you reached out to me, wanting to do Skype i was like "look at this mother fucker dropping back into my life out of nowhere" i laughed my fucking ass off

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i used to respond to your pleas as anonymous

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and i phrased things in a way to tip my hand because i wanted you to know it was me... and i have a real strong gut feeling you knew it was me too

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well that gut feeling was definitely wrong mr. grudge holder. I don't look at anon posts and try to decipher who it actually might be. I usually consider anon posters to be young teens on the verge of suicide. I guess I was pretty close

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has your MD been able to remove just one patient off any med? short of you stopping adderal?

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I don't really give a shit to be honest. MD's are in it for the money regardless of what you, they, or anyone else says. I got on adderal because I wanted to. And I don't regret it- it was an experience that came with some great life lessons. And i'm off it now and did it through willpower alone... didn't need any IV vitaminC either!!! holy crap.

a complete stranger fucked with my head out of desperation trying to defend an honest man

Yep, because you obviously can't be the one to blame here Your own psychology obviously has nothing to do with the fact that you allow external figures to 'fuck with your head'. Maybe you should stop fucking with your own head and projecting the blame to other people? Internet people of all

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i even thought about you one day when i was tripping out in the woods with my dogs, days after receiving your PM and it started to ruin my trip man

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really? Me wanting to have a mindful conversation with you ruined your trip? Glad the trees were there to help

but right now you represent too much negative energy for me at the moment.

I guess it's comforting knowing that you can project your 'negative' energy and blame me as the culprit... I guess if it makes you feel better

tell me man, is it some sort of placebo that i no longer express symptoms of bipolar and schizophrenia?

maybe There's no way to know for sure so why bother speculating? The power of the mind and the power of rituals is beyond our comprehension.


because if it is, how can you be so fucking sure your diet change isn't a placebo effect?

It probably is for all I know. All I know is that it's working and thats all that matters to me right now. But who cares, were all going to rot and die regardless if you eat hormone'd chicken or not... or if you're a vegan or not... jokes on you

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because i'm telling you now, doing this will not bother me in the least

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wow, you seem like such a humble person. I definitely admire you more than ever now.

Yep, you hold grudges just as much as any fat plug who eats fast food every day, seem to stress over shit on the internet just like I did when I was 15. I guess some transcend and some dont

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You are funny, at best. We have provided you with reasons, use your initiative and look yourself. Stay in denial, little boy.
I'm not getting into the discussion about protein and shit, BUT, the general  recommendations are the same for all sports, recommendations made by experts i.e. 1 Gram of protein per pound of body weight. Me = 210lb = 210 grams of protein, which is rather easy. Oh shit, everyone is wrong, you've got a major in nutrition, you're right.
Everything is toxic in excess quantity, even water. It's ridiculous to say protein will be negative in quantities we are talking. Do you realise how easy 70 grams of protein could be reached by a normal, inactive person? You are honestly saying average Joe and the motivated weight lifter have the same protein needs? I am struggling to take what you say seriously.

I repeat myself. You were hand fed lies and refuse to believe anything else you are told. Denial and ignorance at its best.
Enjoy your early life with your recommended daily intake of 300 grams of carbs? ROFL.

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i have a question for you daz... how could i go from 274 pounds at 6'2" with a random blood glucose test of 155 or better and an 8-10 hour fasting level not much better to 205 pounds, a random test at 101 and an 8-10 hour fasting level of 87 while eating at least 55-60% of my diet in plant carbs? the only thing i've changed since my last blood work is i shifted to a lower amount of protein and obviously began to consume more fats. should i expect my blood glucose to be any different with the swing between protein and fats? that's a rhetorical question... you don't have to answer that one... just explain why my blood chemistry did the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you project should have happened... keep in mind now that i eat no grains really... you stand a much greater chance of developing disease then i do... any diet that reverses a metabolic disorder has to be an extremely low inflammatory diet and if you don't believe this then you have no clue what causes the problem with insulin signalling


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and the only reason why the thought of you stressed me out is i was tripping on an eighth.

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really? the ONLY reason is because of the mushrooms?

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you clearly have no fucking clue about anything regarding hallucinogens and how they can rip you apart.

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i've had my fair share of crazy trips to atleast have an idea. nice try though

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was it not you who said he'd be able to find out anything about me over the net?

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i said it was possible, but didn't say probable. Please apply the socratic method to your sense of reason. How do you know that such a thing didn't occur? You don't. So at least accept the possibility that it could happen? that's how my reasoning tends to work. Sorry it doesn't float your bubbles.

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damn dude, shit! THIS MAY SAVE MY MOM ONE DAY!!!

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maybe we all die in the end, get over it bro

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i think the problem is U! not your friends, you may be projecting your shit on them for all we know.

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everyone projects their 'shit' onto other people, including their friends. Luckily for me, I don't have many at the moment been working 6 days a week and just playing guitar/running in my off time.

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your psychology is interesting to say the least

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it's mostly just nihilistic and reductionist thinking. Sucks at times because it depletes meaning in life and is probably what lead to my episode of 'derealization' or what ever you want to coin it. I don't know what lead to this perception, maybe my diet sucks

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you're the type of person some dumb jock pours a beer on just for the kicks

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if it does turn out to be Hawaii i think it would be cool if you and me hook up

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cool, and since im a concierge I can even book all your families activities for the cheapest possible rates

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it would be interesting to actually meet the person i've dealing with...

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i'll even eat sushi for the occasion.

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Thanks, but ill pass on the refined carbs

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i voted no to Hawaii because i'm just not into that whole don ho shit...

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is that you in your avatar? or is it some significant counter culture figure?

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I'll jump into this muddy water fight. Atkins and other low carb diets are high fat diets. Both carbs and fats are composed of carbon (C), hydrogen(H), and oxygen(O). Protein on the other hand is composed of the same (C,H,O) but with addition of nitrogen (N) and other molecular groups.

A high protein diet is bad because of this nitrogen group and the buildup in the body when protein is used as the bodies primary fuel source. This excess nitrogen is hard on your kidneys.

To the OP: if you do go low carb avoid simple sugars (sucrose) and staches (potatoes, pasta rice), drink plenty of water, green, and herbal teas. As far as your cravings go you are eating a high fat dieand fat is very satiating. When you do get cravings answer them with what you like as a treat; tsp of PB, square of 90% dark chocolate etc.. There is a huge amount of info on the web for low carb diets as far as snacks, recipes and even desserts.

If you do try low carb do not be afraid of fat. It will become your energy source and make your meals flavorful and keep you feeling full. Also buy a book (or check one out at the library). You should familiarize yourself with the science fo what you are trying to accomplish.

Good luck!

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Damn guys, didn't mean to cause an argument between everyone... I do know that since I started 4 days ago, I have been really reading product labels and also reading about different ingredients online. I understand its a high fat kind of diet... Which in the beginning I thought the Atkins diet was total crap but I figured I would give it a shot.  I see that I am eating less and not even having large snacks during the day so at least my appetite has calmed down (probably due to protein).  I am going to stick with it for at least a month as well...

I will continue reading labels and researching online. Guess I will post back on here every once In a while... So far all I have noticed was that I have had a headache for the last 3 days.... Slight headache anyways. Heh.

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I do about 70% protien, 20% carbs, 10% fat...best I have ever looked in my whole life just saying thats for me and I focus on protein because I lift a lot but I really think that protein will give you that very lean look if that is what you are after....with carbs you have to be very careful on the amount and when consumed.

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i'm not sure where you're getting i'm fat from dude...

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Being lean does not mean you are healthy

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healthy is subjective. Especially when considering that we're all going to die one day soon

So my subjective claims are irrelevant but yours aren't because you went to a special school to lean a bunch of esoteric jargon to sound smart?