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 5-HT2A
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#15663529 - 01/14/12 02:49 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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http://www.nacsonline.com/NACS/News/Daily/Pages/ND0110123.aspx
WASHINGTON – Approval last month in the U.S. House of Representatives of legislation that would prohibit the sale of synthetic marijuana and other drugs known as “bath salts” and “plant food” has been delayed indefinitely in the Senate, American Medical News reports.
The House voted 317-98 on December 8 to ban the synthetic drugs, which can mimic the effects of marijuana, cocaine and methamphetamines; however, the Senate companion bill has been held up by an objection from Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY).
Public health officials and physician groups support the legislation because they maintain there is no known medicinal use for the substances, while use of the products has led to numerous medical emergencies.
The American Assn. of Poison Control Centers reported 5,853 calls to poison centers that were related to bath salt exposure from January to November 2011, a dramatic increase from 303 such calls in 2010. The American Medical Association announced its support of a national ban last June.
"These chemicals, when inhaled or injected, cause effects similar to those caused by cocaine and methamphetamine, including paranoia, hallucinations and suicidal thoughts, which have led to self-mutilation, violent behavior and several deaths," wrote AMA Executive Vice President and CEO James L. Madara, MD, in a September letter to the House supporting legislation banning bath salts.
More than 30 states have enacted laws banning the synthetic drugs, which go by brand names such as K2, Spice, and Vanilla Sky.
Some lawmakers said they oppose the legislation as it is written because of its potentially “chilling effect” on scientific research.
"These drugs need to be controlled, but they need to be controlled in such a way that there is no harm done to the vital scientific and medical research that we count on," said U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA).
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LittleDipster
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 Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: 5-HT2A]
#15663576 - 01/14/12 03:08 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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haha I was like wtf? when I read the title then saw Rand Paul and was like oohhh
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: LittleDipster]
#15663975 - 01/14/12 07:00 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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If Ron Paul becomes president we can get 4mmc again.
YEAH!!!
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: 5-HT2A]
#15664178 - 01/14/12 09:51 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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5-HT2A said:
More than 30 states have enacted laws banning the synthetic drugs, which go by brand names such as K2, Spice, and Vanilla Sky.
Clearly then, we need a federal law...
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: tibberous]
#15665147 - 01/14/12 02:23 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Is this the same bill as the 2C-x bill?
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EntheogenicPeace
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: 5-HT2A]
#15665233 - 01/14/12 02:48 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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"These chemicals, when inhaled or injected, cause effects similar to those caused by cocaine and methamphetamine, including paranoia, hallucinations and suicidal thoughts, which have led to self-mutilation, violent behavior and several deaths," wrote AMA Executive Vice President and CEO James L. Madara, MD, in a September letter to the House supporting legislation banning bath salts.
Doctor is either not very bright, or he's just a shill for pharmaceutical companies... or a little of both. It's pathetic how un-insightful & uncritical so many in the U.S. medical establishment are, as if alcohol isn't a drug & as if it doesn't cause more quantifiable problems across the board than all illegal drugs combined.
In a class I had to take (mostly pre-med students), in a discussion we had, I made the point that all currently illegal drugs should be available over the counter to anyone so long as they show proper ID, as is the case with alcohol & tobacco. Some of the responses I got from the next generation of America's "medical professionals"...
"People make meth from Adderall." 
"If something is a Schedule I drug, that means it's really dangerous & needs to be restricted."
"Pharmacies have to regularly take inventory on drugs like Adderall, so that means people who want to abuse them won't be able to get them."
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: tibberous]
#15665255 - 01/14/12 02:54 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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tibberous said:
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5-HT2A said:
More than 30 states have enacted laws banning the synthetic drugs, which go by brand names such as K2, Spice, and Vanilla Sky.
Clearly then, we need a federal law...
No we do not. States are doing what their voters are wanting them to do, no need for a federal bulldog to come in and place a permanate hold on drug policy, let the states regulate themselves on these issues.
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: Spandy] 1
#15665325 - 01/14/12 03:10 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Spandy said:
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tibberous said:
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5-HT2A said:
More than 30 states have enacted laws banning the synthetic drugs, which go by brand names such as K2, Spice, and Vanilla Sky.
Clearly then, we need a federal law...
No we do not. States are doing what their voters are wanting them to do, no need for a federal bulldog to come in and place a permanate hold on drug policy, let the states regulate themselves on these issues.
Pretty sure you missed the sarcasm
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: Spandy] 1
#15665694 - 01/14/12 04:38 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Spandy said:
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tibberous said:
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5-HT2A said:
More than 30 states have enacted laws banning the synthetic drugs, which go by brand names such as K2, Spice, and Vanilla Sky.
Clearly then, we need a federal law...
No we do not. States are doing what their voters elected representatives are wanting them to do, no need for a federal bulldog to come in and place a permanate hold on drug policy, let the states regulate themselves on these issues.
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: AUX]
#15665707 - 01/14/12 04:42 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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AUX said:
Is this the same bill as the 2C-x bill?
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: MushyMatt]
#15665739 - 01/14/12 04:52 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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What does this article even mean? K2 is legal again?
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: DebuteMachine]
#15665949 - 01/14/12 05:46 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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State bans are fine, as they can easily be changed. Federal recommendations are fine. However, Federal bans are not needed and are unacceptable. Things such as cannabinoids, effect the body differently than other medicines and scientists can create new forms of medicine that interact with the body in the same way that chemicals that interact with the cannabinoid receptors do, unless their banned.
Edited by guest1 (01/14/12 05:49 PM)
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LongStrangeTrip
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: DebuteMachine]
#15666216 - 01/14/12 06:54 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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DebuteMachine said:
What does this article even mean? K2 is legal again?
 no~
The bill that was moving through the senate, that outlawed ALL synth noids, 2cx chems, then some more speedy ones, has been halted. So, apparently, those chems are safe.
The previously PASSED federal bill, that outlawed the 5 synth noids (jwh 018, 073, ectect) is not affected in any way. Its a separate bill that has already been passed.
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
#15666870 - 01/14/12 10:04 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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LongStrangeTrip said:
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DebuteMachine said:
What does this article even mean? K2 is legal again?
no~
The bill that was moving through the senate, that outlawed ALL synth noids, 2cx chems, then some more speedy ones, has been halted. So, apparently, those chems are safe.
The previously PASSED federal bill, that outlawed the 5 synth noids (jwh 018, 073, ectect) is not affected in any way. Its a separate bill that has already been passed.
Well I guess my jwh-xxx that's not listed is cool? Or am I going to be handed a copy of the analog act? Lol.
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: DebuteMachine]
#15667567 - 01/15/12 01:19 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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They fear what they cannot control.
Good news though.
God knows some drugs are extremely dangerous but blanket laws and the generalizations of drugs is a terribly mistake.
Long live phens!
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: AUX]
#15670482 - 01/15/12 06:28 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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AUX said:
Is this the same bill as the 2C-x bill?
All signs point to yes.
H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011
Dec 8, 2011 the bill was passed in the House of Representatives with a vote of 317 Ayes, 98 Nays, 18 Present/Not Voting.
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: DebuteMachine]
#15670498 - 01/15/12 06:31 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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DebuteMachine said:
What does this article even mean? K2 is legal again?
It means H.R. 1254 which passed the House has not yet cleared the senate.
It does not change anything at the moment, at best it could stop a bill from becoming law.
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: anunnakian]
#15674131 - 01/16/12 05:17 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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great news, there's still time to stock up,
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5-HT2A
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: anunnakian]
#15676222 - 01/17/12 01:54 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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anunnakian said:
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AUX said:
Is this the same bill as the 2C-x bill?
All signs point to yes.
H.R. 1254: Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011
Dec 8, 2011 the bill was passed in the House of Representatives with a vote of 317 Ayes, 98 Nays, 18 Present/Not Voting.
Actually, the senate bills which are held up appear to be separate. The house version has not itself been delayed. The article is not really clear.
There are multiple senate bills in question.
S. 839 - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-839 - 2C-x
S. 605 - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-605 - Cannabinoids
S. 409 - http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-409 - MDPV and Mephedrone
Many times there will be multiple versions of a bill and the house and senate bills will be consolidated according to who can garner more influence. So I think that by holding up one bill Senator Paul can stop the whole process. At least in this case. Congressional procedures are actually pretty complicated.
Edited by 5-HT2A (01/17/12 01:55 AM)
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badchad
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: 5-HT2A]
#15677268 - 01/17/12 11:34 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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These are also congressional bills that don't affect the "normal" schedulign process. These bills could fail entirely, and the JWH's could still be schedule I.
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: 5-HT2A]
#15677382 - 01/17/12 12:15 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Ah figured it out, according to http://keepitlegal.org/node/284 , S.605 is the companion bill.
The last quote in the OP is related to s.605
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"These drugs need to be controlled, but they need to be controlled in such a way that there is no harm done to the vital scientific and medical research that we count on," said U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA).
http://www.votesmart.org/public-statement/655835/synthetic-drug-control-act-of-2011
So this is what is being held up.
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Dangerous Synthetic Drug Control Act of 2011 or David Mitchell Rozga Act - Amends the Controlled Substances Act to add as a schedule I controlled substance any material, compound, mixture, or preparation which contains cannabimimetic agents (or the salts, isomers, or salts of isomers thereof), including: -any substance that is a cannabinoid receptor type 1 (CB1 receptor) agonist; -5-(1,1-dimethylheptyl)-2-[(1R,3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol (CP-47,497);
-5-(1,1-dimethyloctyl)-2-[(1R,3S)-3-hydroxycyclohexyl]-phenol (cannabicyclohexanol or CP-47,497 C8-homolog);
-1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-018 and AM678);
-1-butyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-073);
-1-hexyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-019);
-1-[2-(4-morpholinyl)ethyl]-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-200);
-1-pentyl-3-(2-methoxyphenylacetyl)indole (JWH-250);
-1-pentyl-3-[1-(4-methoxynaphthoyl)]indole (JWH-081);
-1-pentyl-3-(4-methyl-1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-122);
-1-pentyl-3-(4-chloro-1-naphthoyl)indole (JWH-398);
-1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole (AM2201);
-1-(5-fluoropentyl)-3-(2-iodobenzoyl)indole (AM694);
-1-pentyl-3-[(4-methoxy)-benzoyl]indole (SR-19 and RCS-4);
-1-cyclohexylethyl-3-(2-methoxyphenylacetyl)indole (SR-18 and RCS-8); -1-pentyl-3-(2-chlorophenylacetyl)indole (JWH-203)
Extends the period during which the Attorney General may temporarily schedule a substance in schedule I to avoid an imminent hazard to public safety to two years with a one-year extension (currently, one year with a six-month extension).
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: anunnakian]
#15678844 - 01/17/12 05:55 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks annunakian!
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#15684973 - 01/18/12 08:34 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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"People make meth from Adderall." All you have to do to make meth from anything that contains dextroamphetamine, is to wash it with methyl chloride. Simple.
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Re: U.S. - Ban On "Bath Salts," Synthetic Marijuana Delayed Indefinitely in Senate [Re: starfire_xes]
#15703254 - 01/22/12 07:58 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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So you know ppl who take a handful of dextro- pills and try to turn them into meth-? I can't imagine 99.9% of ppl who have popped an Addy have ever had any such thought cross their mind, epscially given how relatively easy meth- is to obtain on the black market.
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