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 Mr. Bojangles
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 Re: Serious Sustainable Mushroom Project  [Re: tai haku]
#15669285 - 01/15/12 01:46 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I'll let him know about tilapia over perch...we're already going with tilapia but it's good to know they don't all eat the same shit. Guess we'll have to find out! The fish tank is going to be 950 gallons and the rafts are going to be 100 liter half barrels.
Yeah it sucks about the ArkFab guy...hit by a drunk drive on his scooter  Don't drive drunk and always watch out for the two-wheelers!
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Also, the main issue you must confront with using the CO2 produced by the mushrooms, is the high humidities required for the fungi to grow. This will cause mold and poor growth for your plants. You will need to dehumidify the air before the plants get it, or frequently mist the mushrooms, but keep the RH lower.
Thanks Aleon! My buddy has expressed some questions about this though. Aren't greenhouses already pretty humid? Will putting the fishtank in the greenhouse with the plants not already produce a lot of humidity? He's basically seeing a lot of RH already being in the greenhouse and doesn't see how some more will hurt. I don't have the greenthumb in this project but from what little I've looked up it seems that there's "sweet spots" for greenhouse humidity so the mushroom humidity might knock this out of an optimal RH window. But like I said...I'm not sure so if you could just shed a little more light I'd appreciate it.
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 Javadog
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Registered: 05/03/10
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Re: Serious Sustainable Mushroom Project [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
#15669396 - 01/15/12 02:10 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, GHs are humid, but the problem is that you will be
needing to continually refresh the air to reduce CO2 and
this incoming air will presumably have lower humidity.
Good luck,
JD
Liam Rattay....Joni Mitchell put is best:
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That you don't know what you've got til it's gone"
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HorizonSpawn
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Registered: 05/14/11
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Loc: Myco-Tek.org
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Re: Serious Sustainable Mushroom Project [Re: Javadog]
#15671888 - 01/16/12 01:55 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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On a side note: for your kitchen waste, etc; look into black soldier fly larvae  your location should be prime for their cultivation 
Very interest to see your future successes... As I am slowly starting to work on my #1 goal: building topsoil via mycelium and bsf larvae digestion
Hats off to you and your team 
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waixingren
Registered: 03/14/05
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Loc: SW Florida
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Re: Serious Sustainable Mushroom Project [Re: HorizonSpawn]
#15675924 - 01/17/12 12:23 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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HorizonSpawn said:
On a side note: for your kitchen waste, etc; look into black soldier fly larvae your location should be prime for their cultivation
ive seen those things pouring out of nasty dumpsters. they really help to give garbage that garbagy look.
this little bucket machine makes their cultivation seem fairly simple.
http://blogs.dieselpowermag.com/6489437/miscellaneous/black-soldier-flies/index.html
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Edited by waixingren (01/17/12 12:23 AM)
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Aleon
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Registered: 05/26/11
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Loc: WI, USA
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Re: Serious Sustainable Mushroom Project [Re: Mr. Bojangles]
#15676363 - 01/17/12 02:48 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Bojangles said:
Yeah I'll let him know about tilapia over perch...we're already going with tilapia but it's good to know they don't all eat the same shit. Guess we'll have to find out! The fish tank is going to be 950 gallons and the rafts are going to be 100 liter half barrels.
Yeah it sucks about the ArkFab guy...hit by a drunk drive on his scooter Don't drive drunk and always watch out for the two-wheelers!
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Also, the main issue you must confront with using the CO2 produced by the mushrooms, is the high humidities required for the fungi to grow. This will cause mold and poor growth for your plants. You will need to dehumidify the air before the plants get it, or frequently mist the mushrooms, but keep the RH lower.
Thanks Aleon! My buddy has expressed some questions about this though. Aren't greenhouses already pretty humid? Will putting the fishtank in the greenhouse with the plants not already produce a lot of humidity? He's basically seeing a lot of RH already being in the greenhouse and doesn't see how some more will hurt. I don't have the greenthumb in this project but from what little I've looked up it seems that there's "sweet spots" for greenhouse humidity so the mushroom humidity might knock this out of an optimal RH window. But like I said...I'm not sure so if you could just shed a little more light I'd appreciate it.
Yeah greenhouses are pretty humid, but thats a thing that the grower must battle and use fans and/pr dehumidifiers to combat. Also, if at all possible you may want to locate the fish tanks in their own room. This way you would be making the most efficient use of your greenhouse space, since plants need a different environment than the fish. For example in the winter if you put the fish tanks in their own room, you would only have to heat the water in that room. And then when you heat the air in the greenhouse for plants(which is incredible expensive) you could make the most of that energy usage by not wasting heated air on the fish, which they do not need. Just heated water. These are just some ideas, and when i build my next aquaponics setup, i will want to make a separate room/environment for the fish tanks. One other thing about using the 1/2 barrels as your raft; i would only do that if you have to. That is a plumbing nightmare lol! Once you plumb some aquaponic systems you will then realize how bitch it can be when you have craploads of different beds and such. You will need to make sure you can have shut off valves between every bed, fish tank, clarifier, mineralization tank, sump tank and whatever else you've got just in case there is a clog and you need to remove the PVC pipe for cleaning (this does happen occasionally.) My suggestion is to make giant custom sized DWC troughs out of lumber or cinder blocks, then line it with fish safe pond liner or greenhouse plastic.
The best thing you could do would be to take a trip the Neslon & PAde here in WI. They are the leaders in the industry. The UVI system run by Dr. Rackocy (the father of aquaponics) was shut down a while ago, and he actually works for these guys now. They have helped set up large system internationally. IMO Wisconsin is the commercial aquaponics headquarters of the world. There are large operations you can tour up here, besides just nelson and pade.
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