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soldatheero said:
I love the statement "if god can be realized through the medium of any drug than God is not worthy of being God". Spirituality is intense, you can't just ingest a substance and become enlightened, that is a pipe dream.

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but it'd be pretty awesome if you could !

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one thing i found odd was he said repeated lsd use leads to mental illness and death

i've never heard of anyone dying from lsd?

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Although LSD is not an addiction-forming drug one can become attached to the experiences arising from its use and one gets tempted to use it in increasing doses, again and again, in the hope of deeper and deeper experiences. But eventually this causes madness or death.

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Put simply, LSD does not cause death at recreational or therapeutic doses (less than 500 ug / 0.5 mg). While there are substantial reasons why users should be cautious about LSD use (see LSD Health), death is not a major risk.

Less than a handful of human deaths have been tied in the medical literature to the pharmacological effects of LSD, and none of these deaths have been unquestionably attributable to LSD's actions. The clearest case was documented by Fysh et al. in 1985; however, they fail to explain the circumstances of the death, only discussing the toxicological assessment, casting some doubt that the only explanation for the death was LSD.

Estimates of lethal doses of LSD are higher than 10 mg (10,000 ug) administered orally, more than 100 times a normal moderate dose of LSD (100 ug). The administration of this amount would require the ingestion of more than 200 units of street blotter, which typically contain about 50 ug of LSD (as of late 2010). LSD has been used by tens of millions of people over the last 50 years and has been administered to tens of thousands of patients in psychotherapeutic settings (mostly prior to 1960).

Some suicides have been tied to the use of LSD, though it is difficult to positively link an individual's choice to take their own life with their past use of LSD. In general, LSD is not reported to substantially increase the risk of suicide and those who do commit suicide after taking LSD are likely to have suffered from pre-existing suicidal tendencies.

Some deaths have been associated with inebriated or combative behavior while under the influence of LSD, including falling or jumping from a height or dying after being beaten by police.

Because the numbers of fatalities associated with LSD are so low, it is difficult to determine the risk of death associated with LSD. Erowid estimates that the risk of death from taking LSD is probably less than one death per million LSD use sessions, with risk of death higher among those predisposed to suicide and among those without a sober sitter present to help avoid accidents or fights.

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guruu said:


i do and i don't. "avatar," "bodhisattva," "buddha," "aranhant," "saint,"....I believe it refers to something, someone who has fully finished a process of immersion into the self. But it's also a very fine line...like, was John Lennon an avatar? Thom Yorke? I just think beings at a certain level of evolution incarnate purposefully rather than being forced to by their karma. And that's pretty much what an avatar is...I do buy it, I think it exists, but I term my own metaphysics a little differently

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Shrooomtastic said:
As for Jesus, it's tough to say. He could have just as easily never existed, as most of the historians in the area in and around that time period had never even heard of him. My particular belief is that yes, a man named Jesus existed, and that at some point in his life he traveled to North India and the region we now know as Nepal via the silk route and learned from Buddhist and Hindu masters there, only to return again to his land to share his revelation. There are many arguments supporting this notion, especially within the book "Jesus Lived in India", where they propose that Jesus was in fact a man named Issa that traveled to the region to seek truth and wisdom.

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soldatheero said:
Personally I would look to the Avatar to tell us what the Avatar is exactly. If Meher is the avatar shouldn't he be the one to tell you what the avatar is? Why do you ignore Meher?

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okay, ya i don't think Meher Baba is THE avatar of the age...i just can't work with that. I do think he was a very realized being, but any cosmological assertion that he's like the #1 teacher of the age is something I don't have the means to validate or invalidate.  And personally Ramana Maharishi seems to me like a much more profound sage, at least to the western world.

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And personally Ramana Maharishi seems to me like a much more profound sage, at least to the western world.

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Now when an avatar or saint poet (between avataric periods) comes and dispenses the seed of the new vision designed to describe truth in a way that will inspire new possibilities previously never
conceived of before, it takes a long time (about 300 years) for this idea to become publicly spread and endorsed by leaderships and so forth. For instance, Ashoka spread Buddhism throughout India about 300 years after Buddha’s life, and Christianity was made the established religion of Rome by Constantine around 300 AD.

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