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owls said:
i'm thinking about burning any attachment & desire i have for this website, the intense level of general ignorance is too much for me sometimes

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pyrate999 said:
They are both metaphors. Each one was crafted to fit the culture it was used in. They both represent the same idea, peace or whatever.

This idea is used in many metaphors today: Neo, Frodo, Harry potter, Jack Sparrow, any Marvel superhero. Good vs Evil. We are just getting more creative with it.

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actually they are not metaphors, both Jesus and Buddha are written about as real physical historical beings. You can't write em off that easy

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zzripz said:
Why does your life depend on some dudes who lived in ancient Israel or ancient India---a carpenter and a prince...?? WHYWHYWHY?

So they push books at you saying 'read about Jesus' 'read about Buddha' and so you read and next thing you wanna be a wannabe Jesus or wannabe Buddha. Why? cause your promised stuff is why. Listen!

For the Jesus reward your promised eternity in Heaven.

For the Buddha reward your promised everlasting bliss in Nirvana. No NOT the grunge group lol

So there we see a PATTERN. BOTH belief systems [promise some end of term reward if you join their gang. if NOT what happens?

Well for the Jesus gang it is, I'm afraid EVERLASTING HELLFIRE AND DAMNATION....that's all

And for the Buddha gang, it is SUFFERING, and they also have hells but not the everlasting Jesus gang kind. But also ongoing lifetimes of karmic suffering. So in a WAY it is 'everlasting' UNTIL you do what the Buddha says qwhich is meditate and follow his rules

Now what IF both Jesus and the Buddha hadn't even existed and that both derive from some mushroom cult which was really only known and practiced by an inner group--the initiated, when the rest of the believers just get a history lesson and practice which is supposed to get them heaven or bliss?

Dont you think it is your freedom to look at these belief systems critically and not just take them at face value and literally?

do you not realize that at your fingertips you have a radical revolutionary resource of VAST information which would help you with this. That it is not some priest forcing this onto you and you cannot find shit out for yourselves

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  And yet...Between uncritical belief, and juvenile emulation, one still has to decide upon how to BE in the world without either fear of Hell or desire for Eternal Reward. Entering into a world-view, and individual experimentation with the assumptions of any given world-view, is the only Way to Know what they are about. Buddha said so explicitly - not to merely believe what one hears, but to discover for oneself. The 'alleged' words of Jesus are to be found in various places, but the canonical Bible eliminated God-mysticism such as that in the Gospel of Thomas, in place of Christ-mysticism. By the 4th century of Christianity, appropriation by Emperor Constantine, and the Nicene Fathers, doctrines were established that destroyed the experimental nature of early Christianity through its many forms. The Church became a totalitarian regime, eventually torturing and murdering those who professed any version of Christianity except that which was sanctioned by the Church.

Your own objection here, is to the punishment-reward system that has taken the place of original Christianity. The hundreds of Christian denominations are all substitutionary social structures, with very little ability to promote higher human development. Look at the so-called Christian Right. Wealth-loving, socially conservative, war-mongering, self-interested human beings, often with very uptight, repressive sexual mores that explode (as when televangelists are caught fucking hookers and young boys). These kind of human beings are not Christian in the originally intended meaning of becoming 'Christs' themselves. Similarly, the goal is  achieving Buddhahood, Enlightenment, in the East. 'Worshipping' Buddha or Christ is ignorance. Becoming Buddha or Christ, in Realization, in making it Real in one's life is what is transforming.

It's not about "some dudes living in ancient Israel or ancient India," it is about 'how to BE,' here and now. Psychologically, Buddha (which means 'Awakened') and Christ (which means 'Anointed'), have both become highly mythologized symbols of the higher Self (in Jungian terms) -  the central symbols for the East and the West, respectively. Mohammed is not regarded as highly at the Quran, so the book holds more importance than the person, and thus Mohammed is not a symbol for the completed person (Self).  As is the case for ALL religions, the differences are greatest at the outer forms and doctrines (Exoteric), while the similarities increase, sometimes to the point of complete identification at the inner (Esoteric) levels. Nirvana and Heaven are completely different intellectual formulations, but as mystical experiences, there is far less difference, and in some cases, descriptions of Oneness by mystics of both faiths is almost indistinguishable. But, mine is a Gnostic position - Gnosis transforms ('convinces') more readily than does Faith. Strive for Gnosis, while yet having Faith in its attainment.

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owls said:
lol yeh for sure man

in the yin yang which one is bad and good?

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pyrate999 said:
They are both metaphors. Each one was crafted to fit the culture it was used in. They both represent the same idea, peace or whatever.

This idea is used in many metaphors today: Neo, Frodo, Harry potter, Jack Sparrow, any Marvel superhero. Good vs Evil. We are just getting more creative with it.

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actually they are not metaphors, both Jesus and Buddha are written about as real physical historical beings. You can't write em off that easy

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ach prophet came into a different part of the world to explain the love of God and essentially the same message, just to a different audience.  In this way, each prophet had to appear to the populace in a different way in order for the message to make sense within the context of their unique culture.

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Buddha was born a prince and then sat under a tree and starved himself.

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Come on, the story of the Buddha is so much more epic than that! How about the 6 years he spent wandering as an ascetic searching for the truth? Or the beauty of his realization of the middle way upon hearing a music instructor describe to his to student that the string must not be too tight, nor too slack?

I think yes, both Guatama the Buddha and Jesus of Nazareth actually existed. I believe the Buddha did especially after doing Vipassana meditation, which is supposedly the exact 10 day course that the Buddha taught his disciples. It is believed to be preserved exactly the way he taught it 2500 years ago too, and it seemed like it to me. No bullshit, just plain serious working upon yourself using practical meditation techniques. On top of that, the realizations and wisdom handed down from the Buddha I believe have also been preserved very well.. and as someone who has experienced many of them for myself, I can say with confidence that his words resonate strongly with higher consciousness, with pure truth.

As for Jesus, it's tough to say. He could have just as easily never existed, as most of the historians in the area in and around that time period had never even heard of him. My particular belief is that yes, a man named Jesus existed, and that at some point in his life he traveled to North India and the region we now know as Nepal via the silk route and learned from Buddhist and Hindu masters there, only to return again to his land to share his revelation. There are many arguments supporting this notion, especially within the book "Jesus Lived in India", where they propose that Jesus was in fact a man named Issa that traveled to the region to seek truth and wisdom.

I seriously doubt that any of the recorded miracles in the new testament actually happened, more like they were added embellishments to the story that his disciples agreed to include or that was altered by Paul or Constantinople in an attempt to deify the man in order support the notion that he was the long awaited Messiah prophesized in the old testament, thus "proving" the validity of the bible

I mainly believe that Jesus existed because the things he was believed to have said were quite radical, and so artistic, that I doubt Paul or anyone else could have come up with it for the purpose of creating a massive lie. There are also books with quotes from Jesus that you will not find in the Bible due to their consistencies with Buddhism and Hinduism, I presume. They were probably believed to be forgeries because they resembled Gnosticism and Paganism to Constantinople and those who assembled the bible. Two books that contain much truth and nothing but quotes from Jesus are the Secret Book of John:

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/apocjn-davies.html

And The Book of St. Thomas:

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html

Now, this is just my two cents, but I've done a lot of reading on the subject and am convinced that at the very least, both Jesus and Buddha existed.

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pyrate999 said:
They are both metaphors. Each one was crafted to fit the culture it was used in. They both represent the same idea, peace or whatever.

This idea is used in many metaphors today: Neo, Frodo, Harry potter, Jack Sparrow, any Marvel superhero. Good vs Evil. We are just getting more creative with it.

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actually they are not metaphors, both Jesus and Buddha are written about as real physical historical beings. You can't write em off that easy

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Really? Well shit. I'm either crazy or thinking in nothing but metaphors.

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I'm thinking about burning any attachment & desire i have for this website, the intense level of general ignorance is too much for me sometimes

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It would seriously amuse me if you are referring to me. I think you are, I wouldn't doubt it. Recently someon on a  youtube channel said to me "boy are you one refused cat" because I said why i think the whole jesus = mushroom metaphor is bunk. And not to long some kid on youtube called me a "sheeple" because I disagreed that he knew a stargate was opening over Yemen, literally no exaggeration. Never thought id be a sheeple : /

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soldatheero said:
Guruu you don't buy the whole avatar thing yet ? hah

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i do and i don't. "avatar," "bodhisattva," "buddha," "aranhant," "saint,"....I believe it refers to something, someone who has fully finished a process of immersion into the self. But it's also a very fine line...like, was John Lennon an avatar? Thom Yorke? I just think beings at a certain level of evolution incarnate purposefully rather than being forced to by their karma. And that's pretty much what an avatar is...I do buy it, I think it exists, but I term my own metaphysics a little differently

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soldatheero said:
Personally I would look to the Avatar to tell us what the Avatar is exactly. If Meher is the avatar shouldn't he be the one to tell you what the avatar is? Why do you ignore Meher?

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How do you know that he is the Avatar? Because he said it? Then to determine what the Avatar is, you ask the self proclaimed Avatar... seems kind of circular. That's sort of like the Bible is the word of God. Why? Because God said so. Where did he say that? In the Bible.